[Goldwingnut]

Originally Posted by EPutnam1863

Goldwing Nut says "...mob rule mentality will surely ruin both this community and our retirements"

It already has.

That's taken completely out of context, the full quote is: If we leave it up to those that shout the loudest about every little thing, then that mob rule mentality will surely ruin both this community and our retirements.

If you want to twist words and meanings you would be more at home at a different web site.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

That's taken completely out of context, the full quote is: If we leave it up to those that shout the loudest about every little thing, then that mob rule mentality will surely ruin both this community and our retirements.

If you want to twist words and meanings you would be more at home at a different web site.

Agreed. Like a web site that concerns where a person actually lives. "Can't move on" comes to mind.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

Another good question, this one I'm not 100% sure on the answer as I focus my efforts on the areas south of CR466.

As I understand it, the districts north of CR466 at some point in their history made the decision to be responsibility for their own district properties and not have a interlocal government agreement for common maintenance and benefit. CDD4 being in Marion County may have had some play in this decision due to all the road residential road maintenance fall to the district unlike in Sumter County were only the villa roads fall to the district for maintenance.

As for amenities, the original amenities sale (north of CR466) was followed by a law suit with some damages awarded and the establishment of the AAC.

Again, I'm no expert on the north end, I only looked into the history and studied it's workings for a short while 4 years ago after I moved to The Villages. I didn't dwell on it much after I realized it organization and operations were basically irrelevant to the working south of CR466 where I live. No offense is meant to the residents north of CR466 but it is sufficiently different and separate to south of CR466 that it didn't matter much to me to learn. I have too many other thing rattling around in my head to try to recall all these old details at this point.

What is important to all of the residents both north and south of CR466 is that there are agreements in place requiring equal treatment and access regardless of the amenity and residence location. The easy example of what cannot happen is that someone golfing on the opposite side of CR466 of where they own a home cannot be charged a $5 cart fee while someone from the amenity side of CR466 is only charged $4. This kind of treatment cannot occur.

If someone knows the facts (not an opinion or an "I think") on exactly what transpired and why north of CR466 please educate us all.

Sorry I can't provide a better answer.

Thanks for your replies, it is a complicated issue and the online news article I posted did not go very deep into the issue which is why I posted it. However, when CDD supervisors call for closer attention to the PWAC budget and rising costs it is in everyone's interest to pay attention. If you would like to learn more about CDDs north of 466, you can start at this link

Property Owners' Association of The Villages, Inc.

scroll down and click on class action lawsuit for various documents like this one.

http://poa4us.org/classaction_files/...t%20Notice.pdf

Even billionaires do not agree to pay $40 million voluntarily without a good reason.

[Goldwingnut]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Thanks for your replies, it is a complicated issue and the online news article I posted did not go very deep into the issue which is why I posted it. However, when CDD supervisors call for closer attention to the PWAC budget and rising costs it is in everyone's interest to pay attention. If you would like to learn more about CDDs north of 466, you can start at this link

Property Owners' Association of The Villages, Inc.

scroll down and click on class action lawsuit for various documents like this one.

http://poa4us.org/classaction_files/...t%20Notice.pdf

Even billionaires do not agree to pay $40 million voluntarily without a good reason.

GoodLife, I've read all of this previously and it is enlightening, but of course what is on the POA site is only one side of the story and provides little of the full background of the events and agreements that transpired prior to so I really don't feel in a position to take a stand one way or another over what happened and why. It is history now and a part of how The Villages operates, good, bad, or otherwise it's hard to say. Maybe one rainy afternoon when the golf courses are closed and I've nothing better to do I study up on this part of the history.

I'm sure it was painfully for the company to pay the $38M awarded, it must have certainly had a negative impact on their business. Knowing and having known many successful and financially secure people I can say without doubt that not a one of them was a Scrounge McDuck or a Richie Rich with a vault full of money overflowing that they went swimming in, they all had their money invested in businesses, working for them, and taking risks with it. Sure they may have a much more attractive checking account balance then most of us and may have had a few more Benjamins and Grants in their wallet, but not a one of them was prone to squandering their money, philanthropy yes, foolishness never.

I do find it hilarious that a District Supervisor is calling for closer scrutiny on the Project Wide budgeting process and expenditures because a) he is casting stones at the supervisors on his board that they appointed, and b) isn't that his job as both a Supervisor and as a resident, to pay attention to these matters. If CDD Supervisors are dissatisfied with the appointed PWAC member's execution of their responsibilities, each boards are free to replace the PWAC member with another member of their board at any time. As this has never happened one must assume it is easier to complain in ignorance than to take up the yoke and act in cognizance.

The budget workshop meetings and the regular monthly meetings are open to the public and the public is free to question and comment on any item of business, including the budgets and all contracts awarded, discussed at each meeting. I lived in The Villages for just over four years now and have sat through all the budget workshops and nearly every PWAC and CDD10 meeting during that time, and not once during any budget discussion can I recall a single resident or a Supervisor not on the PWAC or CDD board asking a single question or offer a comment about any budget item.

Even during the budget workshop for the Amenities budget, a $70+ Million Dollar budget, there was not a single question or comment from anyone in attendance except the supervisors on the PWAC on any budget item or cost, not even a single audience comment on the much debated and maligned Recreation News costs included in this budget. The PWAC members did ask multiple questions and had lengthy discussions about nearly budget item that did increase and about the decreased budget cost of the Recreation News.

I will tell you what I have seen at nearly every meeting, other Supervisors and residents coming to the podium and making startlingly uninformed and/or inaccurate statements, comments, and demands that mirror the inaccuracies, rumors, and innuendos that have appeared on various on-line web sites. Many of whom will continue to argue their invalid points with the board/committee members and district staff after they have been corrected and provided with the accurate information.

It must be nice for these guys to be a Monday morning quarterback, time for them to get in the game and take a few hits or shut the heck up.

[Buffalo Jim]

" It must be nice for these guys to be a Monday morning quarterback, time for them to get in the game and take a few hits or shut the heck up " .

GoldWing : Thanks for having the patience and investing the time on this issue to try to bring some rational thinking and facts to yet another matter which is being flamed with misinformation . That " other site " is generating a great deal of misleading and emotion based drivel .
Your efforts are much appreciated !

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

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I will tell you what I have seen at nearly every meeting, other Supervisors and residents coming to the podium and making startlingly uninformed and/or inaccurate statements, comments, and demands that mirror the inaccuracies, rumors, and innuendos that have appeared on various on-line web sites. Many of whom will continue to argue their invalid points with the board/committee members and district staff after they have been corrected and provided with the accurate information.
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I have seen the same thing. It seems that many of our neighbors are willing to attend a meeting when they want to be heard, but are not willing to attend meetings to become informed.

Much of the information you get from on line sources is incomplete and inaccurate. I have seen it first hand. There have been times when I have wondered if the "reporter" was in a different meeting, even though she was sitting right behind me.

[Big O]

"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know everything or nothing about it."