[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by beekman

Outside communities making such demands are nothing but freeloaders. They do want the best of both worlds. Their request should be DENIED at all levels. They were sold a bill of goods by deceptive marketing and cheaper home prices.

Not knowing much about Stonecrest, I did a browser search. I couldn't find a site that told the population of the development but I found several real estate sites regarding the area.

One specifically stated: "While the area of Summerfield is fairly rural, The Villages provides conveniences and amenities, which are accessible to Stonecrest residents via golf carts. The Villages contains approximately 200 retail stores - including local boutiques, chain stores, and brand favorites - and 60 restaurants."

Beekman appears to be right. Real Estate sales pitches indicate that Stonecrest residents are free to visit The Villages by golf cart.

(Perhaps they should be reported to the appropriate state agency for deceptive advertising. Morse family, how about it?)

OBXNana almost gives a word for word quote from the sales site: "Many residents of Stonecrest enjoy living here because it offers the nearby conveniences of life in The Villages, but without the hustle and bustle found in larger communities."

I also found the post by the person who was denied entrance through the Stonecrest automobile gate to be instructive.

Does anyone know the population of Stonecrest? I'm wondering how many "visitors" would be added to the daily vehicle load on the golf cart paths if they were given free access.

In any case, at the risk of being accused of being unfriendly, I don't see allowing the use of our privately funded golf cart (multi-use) paths by people who do not contribute financially to their upkeep. (I reject the accusation of being unfriendly.)

[Peachie]

[QUOTE=Carl in Tampa;794550]Not knowing much about Stonecrest, I did a browser search. I couldn't find a site that told the population of the development but I found several real estate sites regarding the area.
Does anyone know the population of Stonecrest? I'm wondering how many "visitors" would be added to the daily vehicle load on the golf cart paths if they were given free access.



Carl, if this access would be deemed allowable by any of the individuals contacted by Stonecresters, The Villages would be unable to shut off any access to The Villages. A precedent would be set that it's a "convenience" to outside subdivisions. Spruce Creek South is closer to The Villages than Stonecrest, why in this instance, would they then be denied access along with other areas?

[llaran]

We need Stonecrest and any other outsiders, we need them to go to the stores, restaurants, movies. Golf carts take far less room when parking. All the squares are public areas, oh and I forgot to mention churches.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by llaran

We need Stonecrest and any other outsiders, we need them to go to the stores, restaurants, movies. Golf carts take far less room when parking. All the squares are public areas, oh and I forgot to mention churches.

Absolutely, they are welcome and when they bought outside the golf cart community of The Villages, they should have made sure they had the vehicles to make themselves happy with their choice of avoiding living in The Villages.

[rubicon]

There are a number of people who appear to lose sight of the relevant issue.
Simply stated the gate was not erected to keep people out. It was erected to keep people who are not residents of The Villages access to use their golf carts on private cart paths paid for by residents of The Villages. In that same vein non-residents are welcome to come to The Villages via cars.

Additionally many villagers also utilize their cars to go to the square, their doctor's office or to a restaurant. Personally I only use my golf cart for golf.

As to the charge that village residents are hypocrites as to use of private property beyond the gate well those establishments have made their locations golf cart accessible and that has nothing to do with The villages as it is an open invitation.

The Developer must not blink on this issue because his marketing specifically states you are buying the LifeStyle. If residents find that anyone can have access well.............

If StoneCrest realtors advertise use of The Villages amenities then I believe StoneCrest residents have a beef with them not The Villages

Stand firm Developer because there are a whole lot of non-residents in the surrounding area ready to make a mad dash across that Lifestyle line without paying their amenities fees

[justjim]

It has been documented on another Thread that we are only talking about 20 or so golf carts, maybe less, crossing over to TV a day from Stonecrest. Most Stonecresters drive their cars over to the commercial areas of TV.

Apparently there are a few who only have access by golf cart because they don't have a drivers license. There are a number of residents of TV who are in the same boat and without a drivers license. Indeed, this does severely restrict the mobility of some and that is one of the main reasons (but not the only one) for the fight to gain access to the medical and commercial areas of The Villages via a golf cart.

For some, the entire issue is mute if you purchase a Street Legal golf cart. However, you must have a valid Drivers License for a Street Legal Golf Cart. So a Street Legal cart does not solve the mobility issue for a few Villagers and Stonecresters.

If we were in this boat with them, perhaps we would look at things differently.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by justjim

It has been documented on another Thread that we are only talking about 20 or so golf carts, maybe less, crossing over to TV a day from Stonecrest. Most Stonecresters drive their cars over to the commercial areas of TV.

Apparently there are a few who only have access by golf cart because they don't have a drivers license. There are a number of residents of TV who are in the same boat and without a drivers license. Indeed, this does severely restrict the mobility of some and that is one of the main reasons (but not the only one) for the fight to gain access to the medical and commercial areas of The Villages via a golf cart.

For some, the entire issue is mute if you purchase a Street Legal golf cart. However, you must have a valid Drivers License for a Street Legal Golf Cart. So a Street Legal cart does not solve the mobility issue for a few Villagers and Stonecresters.

If we were in this boat with them, perhaps we would look at things differently.

As I stated earlier in this thread; "if this access would be deemed allowable, by any of the individuals contacted by Stonecresters, The Villages would be unable to shut off any access to The Villages. A precedent would be set that it's a "convenience" to outside subdivisions. Spruce Creek South is closer to The Villages than Stonecrest, why in this instance, would they then be denied access along with other areas?"

The Villages residents aren't in that boat, Jim, because we elected to pay the piper for the golf cart accessible lifestyle.

Rubicon, your response to this matter was excellent.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by justjim

It has been documented on another Thread that we are only talking about 20 or so golf carts, maybe less, crossing over to TV a day from Stonecrest. Most Stonecresters drive their cars over to the commercial areas of TV.

Apparently there are a few who only have access by golf cart because they don't have a drivers license. There are a number of residents of TV who are in the same boat and without a drivers license. Indeed, this does severely restrict the mobility of some and that is one of the main reasons (but not the only one) for the fight to gain access to the medical and commercial areas of The Villages via a golf cart.

For some, the entire issue is mute if you purchase a Street Legal golf cart. However, you must have a valid Drivers License for a Street Legal Golf Cart. So a Street Legal cart does not solve the mobility issue for a few Villagers and Stonecresters.

If we were in this boat with them, perhaps we would look at things differently.

How was that documentation "...about 20 or so golf carts, maybe less..." developed - do you know it is reliable?

Perhaps the Stonecresters should be petitioning those politicians for an appropriate gold cart access point so that their medical/shopping needs can be met - rather than asking them for permission to enter property they do not own and to which the owner has denied.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Peachie

As I stated earlier in this thread; "if this access would be deemed allowable, by any of the individuals contacted by Stonecresters, The Villages would be unable to shut off any access to The Villages. A precedent would be set that it's a "convenience" to outside subdivisions. Spruce Creek South is closer to The Villages than Stonecrest, why in this instance, would they then be denied access along with other areas?"

The Villages residents aren't in that boat, Jim, because we elected to pay the piper for the golf cart accessible lifestyle.

Rubicon, your response to this matter was excellent.

So if you are a Stonecrester and have a drivers license and purchase a Street Legal golf cart, you can use TV's Multi Modal Trails but if you are a Stonecrester and have a regular golf cart you can't use the golf cart trails to go to your doctors or hospital or favorite eating establishment.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

How was that documentation "...about 20 or so golf carts, maybe less..." developed - do you know it is reliable?

Perhaps the Stonecresters should be petitioning those politicians for an appropriate gold cart access point so that their medical/shopping needs can be met - rather than asking them for permission to enter property they do not own and to which the owner has denied.

Was the 20 or less a valid reliable survey----quick answer is no. It was just a number given by A long time resident of Stonecrest as I remember the previous Thread on this subject.

A precedent was set many years ago on golf cart access to TV. Personally I have no dog in this fight but I do understand when a precedent is set for many years it becomes rather cumbersome to undo that action. It could be interesting how this will play out if it is pursued in the courts.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by justjim

Was the 20 or less a valid reliable survey----quick answer is no. It was just a number given by A long time resident of Stonecrest as I remember the previous Thread on this subject.

A precedent was set many years ago on golf cart access to TV. Personally I have no dog in this fight but I do understand when a precedent is set for many years it becomes rather cumbersome to undo that action. It could be interesting how this will play out if it is pursued in the courts.

Jim, I don't know if my info is correct, but I believe from earlier discussion about this gate was that it was still in place in 2007 but was constantly being vandalized. I don't think the courts reward people for destroying gates.

[patfla06]

Originally Posted by rubicon

There are a number of people who appear to lose sight of the relevant issue.
Simply stated the gate was not erected to keep people out. It was erected to keep people who are not residents of The Villages access to use their golf carts on private cart paths paid for by residents of The Villages. In that same vein non-residents are welcome to come to The Villages via cars.

Additionally many villagers also utilize their cars to go to the square, their doctor's office or to a restaurant. Personally I only use my golf cart for golf.

As to the charge that village residents are hypocrites as to use of private property beyond the gate well those establishments have made their locations golf cart accessible and that has nothing to do with The villages as it is an open invitation.

The Developer must not blink on this issue because his marketing specifically states you are buying the LifeStyle. If residents find that anyone can have access well.............

If StoneCrest realtors advertise use of The Villages amenities then I believe StoneCrest residents have a beef with them not The Villages

Stand firm Developer because there are a whole lot of non-residents in the surrounding area ready to make a mad dash across that Lifestyle line without paying their amenities fees

Very well said.

The sense of entitlement growing in this country is amazing.
You don't get a free ride if you don't pay for the ride.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by justjim

So if you are a Stonecrester and have a drivers license and purchase a Street Legal golf cart, you can use TV's Multi Modal Trails but if you are a Stonecrester and have a regular golf cart you can't use the golf cart trails to go to your doctors or hospital or favorite eating establishment.

A Stonecrester with an LSV can legally drive on the streets of TV but could still be prohibited from using the multi-modal paths. It would require some work on the part of the Developer to detect the offenders and issue them a "Trespass Warning" but it could be accomplished if the Developer has the will to do it.

Once warned, the offender could be arrested if there were a repeat violation, The fact that the LSVs are required to have a license tag would make enforcement easier.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

DITTO.

P.S. HAS ANYONE EVER VISITED "TOPIX" FORUM TO SEE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT FOLKS IN THE VILLAGES? A REAL MIND OPENER.

I believe the good people of The Villages realize there is much jealousy and coveting in the world and that Topix forum is not "a real mind opener" by any stretch of the imagination.

[Peachie]

[QUOTE=senior citizen;794559]DITTO.

This all reminds me of little kids not letting someone new into their sandbox. I'm sure the people who reside in Stonecrest are exactly the same as the folks who reside in THE VILLAGES.......perhaps they just wanted a less crowded area for their retirement home. That should not mean they aren't to "cross the border" to shop, do business or use the health facilities, restaurants, etc. in The Villages......or visit their friends.




Senior, perhaps you are confusing us with Stonecrest... they are the locked and gated community. Any Stonecrester can hop in their car and "cross any borders" anytime into The Villages Squares, health facilities, hospital, etc. Stonecrest is the subdivision that will not allow any access without their permission. Keeps the unanointed out, I guess.