[DarrenandKathy]

As a person that rents their home out on the Airbnb platform here’s the list of people that rent short term here:
-people coming down to explore the villages to see if the lifestyle is for them. Many end up purchasing a home here.
-people visiting parents or families that can’t be accommodated in their loved ones place of residence.
-people hired to fix the Villages infrastructure post weather events.
-people left temporarily homeless from a weather event elsewhere.

Which ones don’t deserve to be here?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by DarrenandKathy

As a person that rents their home out on the Airbnb platform here’s the list of people that rent short term here:
-people coming down to explore the villages to see if the lifestyle is for them. Many end up purchasing a home here.
-people visiting parents or families that can’t be accommodated in their loved ones place of residence.
-people hired to fix the Villages infrastructure post weather events.
-people left temporarily homeless from a weather event elsewhere.

Which ones don’t deserve to be here?

Any of them that don't respect the property, don't respect their neighbors, throw parties until 3 AM, park in front of their neighbor's driveway, litter their neighbor's property, abuse the amenities and in extreme cases commit serious breaches of the law.

Now, which group does one think more likely describes some of the reported behavior----3 day Airbnb renters or 10 year full time residents?

[NotGolfer]

Griping and worry can fall into the same catagory.....it all brings NO solution!!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by DarrenandKathy

As a person that rents their home out on the Airbnb platform here’s the list of people that rent short term here:
-people coming down to explore the villages to see if the lifestyle is for them. Many end up purchasing a home here.
-people visiting parents or families that can’t be accommodated in their loved ones place of residence.
-people hired to fix the Villages infrastructure post weather events.
-people left temporarily homeless from a weather event elsewhere.

Which ones don’t deserve to be here?

Basically, the ones that don't do things the way I do:
- If I'm full time then the snowbirds are a pain
- If I have a long term lease then those renting only three months are too temporary
- If I have a three month lease then I don't understand why anyone would rent for just 30 days
- If I'm a monthly renter then I don't want those weekly renters living next to me
- And don't even mention those who stay for only a few days.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by thelegges

Usually a snowbird occupies their home during high season, at least that what we did. Those who buy their home pre retirement and rent high season 3-4 months for same tenant, or long term for years, has always been the norm. Many returning to same rental for years until they finally buy a home. Many Renters form bond with neighbors returning year after year, treat the home and neighbors with respect.

It’s the 1-7 day Short Term rentals that most are unhappy with. Maybe owners are desperate for $$ and have to take the drive by renter. Or they have no idea the management company is renting however they choose.

You missed the point. It doesn't matter why owners are renting their property out, or why they've chosen a management company. It doesn't matter that many renters form bonds.

What matters - is that I was responding to someone who was blaming the tenants. My response is - if you are blaming tenants, then you have to blame the landlords for renting their properties in the first place. No landlords = no tenants.

I am not of the opinion that it's the tenant's fault. I'm disputing their opinion. My opinion is that the original deed restrictions were written before the Internet existed, there was no such thing as Air B&B, and the next generation of developers just flat out didn't even consider that people renting their properties would be a "thing." They were myopic in their vision, and had their heads stuck firmly in the bubble of their own creation.

As a result, we now have a generation of internet-savvy owners who can sign up strangers to rent their properties when they're not living there at all, and there is no rule built in to stop them. Owners no longer have to CARE about what their neighbors think - because it is a profitable endeavor. Rent to some strangers for a week and by the time Community Standards shows up to observe the neighbor's complaint, the tenants are already on their way back to wherever they came from.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Any of them that don't respect the property, don't respect their neighbors, throw parties until 3 AM, park in front of their neighbor's driveway, litter their neighbor's property, abuse the amenities and in extreme cases commit serious breaches of the law.

Now, which group does one think more likely describes some of the reported behavior----3 day Airbnb renters or 10 year full time residents?

The people at the corner who converted their driveway into a circular driveway. We were all SO happy to see this, because (we thought) it meant they'd have more room to park, thus making it easier for us to see beyond the car closest to the street when we wanted to cross the intersection.

But no - they rarely even use the other half of their fancy new driveway, and still park their cars with their bumper just inches away from the streetline. It's impossible to see if someone is coming toward us when we stop at that intersection.

And there's nothing preventing them from pulling up 2 feet closer to their garage. There's enough room for another car in front of them AND another few feet of wiggle-room.

They're long-term homeowners (we moved in 5 years ago. They were there then).

[coleprice]

My wife and I live here in The Villages year around and appreciate the energy that Snowbirds bring to the area. We don't like crowds, but (for example) Town Squares are much more fun when a lot of people are out dancing and/or "rocking out" together, enjoying the great bands each night. Also, my wife and I have met a lot of very nice and interesting people that we've been paired with on the golf courses.

[dano121]

I had a Healthcare Worker tell me that the reason I had to wait 4 months to see a Specialist was because a lot of the Birds set up their healthcare down here and then overwhelm the system when they show up for all of their physical needs. Anyone's thoughts???

[Normal]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You missed the point. It doesn't matter why owners are renting their property out, or why they've chosen a management company. It doesn't matter that many renters form bonds.

What matters - is that I was responding to someone who was blaming the tenants. My response is - if you are blaming tenants, then you have to blame the landlords for renting their properties in the first place. No landlords = no tenants.

I am not of the opinion that it's the tenant's fault. I'm disputing their opinion. My opinion is that the original deed restrictions were written before the Internet existed, there was no such thing as Air B&B, and the next generation of developers just flat out didn't even consider that people renting their properties would be a "thing." They were myopic in their vision, and had their heads stuck firmly in the bubble of their own creation.

As a result, we now have a generation of internet-savvy owners who can sign up strangers to rent their properties when they're not living there at all, and there is no rule built in to stop them. Owners no longer have to CARE about what their neighbors think - because it is a profitable endeavor. Rent to some strangers for a week and by the time Community Standards shows up to observe the neighbor's complaint, the tenants are already on their way back to wherever they came from.

Correct. For the op to post a restricted list they have their answer for doesn’t mean all renters are great or just renting for their 4 reasons. Renters aren’t the greatest thrill and they do violate deed restrictions. We have one home near us that the landlord has never visited. Every car that pulls in brings neighbors to wonder what the result will be. Sometimes this is 3 times a week. Not ideal in the forever home world.

[Bolsadd]

Snowbirds living in The Villages pay the same as full time residents in regard to amenity fees, bonds, insurance, property taxes, school taxes & more, ???????????

Really I don’t think so. I don’t believe all snowbirds own here and for $50 for a guest resident pass is ridiculously low considering the amount of taxes and amenity fees us owners do pay and if they are renting the owner of that property doesn’t even get that money to go towards the amenity fees they are paying the winner winner chicken dinner again are the developers so snowbird renters do not pay the same as an owner think about it.


however I do love my snowbird friends.

[Nancy@Pinellas]

I love seasonal residents. They pay amenity fees year round which keep everyone's lower.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We've also had a part-time resident who owns the property, and isn't a snowbird. They come down sporadically throughout the year and rent via air B&B when they're not here. They've rented to a young family who was waiting for their own house outside the Villages to be built. It was supposed to be just for a month. Remember little kids aren't supposed to be here more than a month during the year. They had two kids, the oldest was maybe 9 or 10. The tenant's new home was taking longer than expected, and the homeowner told their tenant that they could stay a couple months longer. Which - they did.

The homeowner claimed to not know that this 55+ community didn't allow young children to LIVE here, only visit. The tenants shouldn't have been able to move in at all, even short term. They weren't visitors. They weren't visiting the homeowner. The homeowner wasn't even in Florida when this family was renting. The family wasn't related to the homeowner, or friends with the homeowner. Strangers from the internet who answered an ad. FORTUNATELY they were a nice family, the kids were only rambunctious a few days before they left, having a sprinkler fight on the front lawn with their dad. It was adorable.

But just knowing that the owner doesn't even understand the basic rules about the 55+ community they moved in to (no kids unless they're visiting for up to 30 days a year) - it makes me worry about who their next tenants will be.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

We've also had a part-time resident who owns the property, and isn't a snowbird. They come down sporadically throughout the year and rent via air B&B when they're not here. They've rented to a young family who was waiting for their own house outside the Villages to be built. It was supposed to be just for a month. Remember little kids aren't supposed to be here more than a month during the year. They had two kids, the oldest was maybe 9 or 10. The tenant's new home was taking longer than expected, and the homeowner told their tenant that they could stay a couple months longer. Which - they did.

The homeowner claimed to not know that this 55+ community didn't allow young children to LIVE here, only visit. The tenants shouldn't have been able to move in at all, even short term. They weren't visitors. They weren't visiting the homeowner. The homeowner wasn't even in Florida when this family was renting. The family wasn't related to the homeowner, or friends with the homeowner. Strangers from the internet who answered an ad. FORTUNATELY they were a nice family, the kids were only rambunctious a few days before they left, having a sprinkler fight on the front lawn with their dad. It was adorable.

But just knowing that the owner doesn't even understand the basic rules about the 55+ community they moved in to (no kids unless they're visiting for up to 30 days a year) - it makes me worry about who their next tenants will be.

Exactly my point, thank you

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Exactly my point, thank you

Once in awhile we agree on things.

I'm not against renters, in general. I just wish all rental arrangements had to go through a singular property management (such as The Villages). Some homeowners are just - not good landlords, not good stewards of their homes or their neighborhoods. Some care, but don't have the skill. Some don't care. When the Villages is representing your home on your behalf, you know that it'll be cared for, the tenants vetted. Whether it's for one day or for two years - I just wish all rentals HAD to go through professional, on-site (not based out of some other state) property management.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Nancy@Pinellas

I love seasonal residents. They pay amenity fees year round which keep everyone's lower.

Many seasonal residents are TENANTS and don't pay any amenity fees at all, ever.