[EdV]

Originally Posted by looneycat

Crash Safety of Low-Speed Vehicles Questioned: #evworld

'nuff said
even a collision with a SMART CAR would be fatal!!!

Based on this article then none of us in LSVs or regular carts should be driving around TV since 99.9% of the streets in TV are shared with regular vehicles. So I don’t understand why one would use it in a debate about LSVs on streets in TV.

[jgbama]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

Can anyone explain to me why drivers of street legal golf carts travel on busy streets when there are very nice recreational paths parallel to their travel. I don't know how many times while driving on El Camino Real I come upon a street legal golf cart traveling along with the traffic. And of course, there is a new, very wide, smooth and not so busy recreational path within a few feet of where these daring cart drivers are traveling amongst a lot of much bigger autos. Also there is no way these carts are able to keep up with the normal flow of the auto traffic and must constantly be passed. So, what is it with these guys ????

Of the 45 posts to your question, no one has given the correct answer. . . so, "here 'tis" - "I need to get where I'm going, before I forget where I'm going!"

It is okay to express one's opinion, but it's not okay to get nasty just because someone has a different opinion. It surely isn't going to change anything. . . but ruffle some feathers! Isn't life full of enough aggravation, without adding more here? (Just my opinion!)

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by EdVinMass

Based on this article then none of us in LSVs or regular carts should be driving around TV since 99.9% of the streets in TV are shared with regular vehicles. So I don’t understand why one would use it in a debate about LSVs on streets in TV.

or feel safer mixed in with traffic in a LSV....I didn't see a debate only saw bad information about the safety of LSVs in traffic being given.

[EdV]

Not a debate? You came into this thread and called Cappyjon’s opinion on this subject “baloney’ and my opinion ‘suicidal’. It is beyond me why you think that me driving on El Camino in an LSV is suicidal but driving on Morse Blvd. in a regular cart 'mixed in with traffic' is just fine.

I've said all I need to on this. Stick a fork in me, I'm done.

[Villageshooter]

you bet,, you are right, you have the right! but you can be DEAD RIGHT! Why???? i also just cant understand,, why would a cycylist even consider the road when they have the paths,, i see the joggers and walkers in the mulitmode areas of the road,, why not jog and walk on the sidewalk?? when you are walking along the road, it reminds me of hookers working the street? HOW much??

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by Villageshooter

you bet,, you are right, you have the right! but you can be DEAD RIGHT! Why???? i also just cant understand,, why would a cycylist even consider the road when they have the paths,, i see the joggers and walkers in the mulitmode areas of the road,, why not jog and walk on the sidewalk?? when you are walking along the road, it reminds me of hookers working the street? HOW much??

A provision of the Florida code requires that pedestrians use sidewalks when provided.

[cappyjon431]

Originally Posted by EdVinMass

Not a debate? You came into this thread and called Cappyjon’s opinion on this subject “baloney’ and my opinion ‘suicidal’. It is beyond me why you think that me driving on El Camino in an LSV is suicidal but driving on Morse Blvd. in a regular cart 'mixed in with traffic' is just fine.

I've said all I need to on this. Stick a fork in me, I'm done.

Ed, I haven't been on this forum all that long, but I have been on long enough to know that there are some folks on TOTV that you just can't have a civil discussion with without it turning into a p*ssing match.

I, for one, will continue to drive my LSV wherever I want (as long as it is legal) and continue to read about all the golf cart accidents in the POA bulletin.

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by cappyjon431

Ed, I haven't been on this forum all that long, but I have been on long enough to know that there are some folks on TOTV that you just can't have a civil discussion with without it turning into a p*ssing match.

I, for one, will continue to drive my LSV wherever I want (as long as it is legal) and continue to read about all the golf cart accidents in the POA bulletin.

LSV=Golfcart

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by EdVinMass

Not a debate? You came into this thread and called Cappyjon’s opinion on this subject “baloney’ and my opinion ‘suicidal’. It is beyond me why you think that me driving on El Camino in an LSV is suicidal but driving on Morse Blvd. in a regular cart 'mixed in with traffic' is just fine.

I've said all I need to on this. Stick a fork in me, I'm done.

I see, an opinion offered by you is OK, from me not allowed...Hmmmm, this is a forum is it not.
regular carts are in the multimodal lanes not mixed in with traffic. If it were a true debate you would have offered facts to counter the factual resources I have cited, has there been a factual rebuttal? nope! You have an LSV thats great, I saw no need to spend the extra money on registration and insurance, That is your decision, but to imply that it is safer to drive in traffic with any form of LSV or golf cart is just contrary to fact, I'll pass on sticking you with a fork...tht's dangerous as well!

[cappyjon431]

Originally Posted by looneycat

LSV=Golfcart

You are wrong on several levels:

1. On a literal level. I do not play golf and my cart is not equipped for golf (wrong tires and no golf bag holders or score card clips).

2. On a legal level. As you know LSVs REQUIRE license, registration and insurance. LSVs are permitted to go faster than 19 mph legally. LSVs are allowed to go on streets where the speed limit does not exceed 35 mph, legally (such as Morse, Buena Vista, and Camino Real), golf carts cannot. Fourteen year olds are not permitted to drive LSVs, but they can drive carts (this brings up a totally separate safety issue--I'll take my chances on the street with licensed drivers instead of running the risks on the paths with some of the 14 year olds (and younger) I see driving gramp's golf cart on the paths. LSVs can legally cross 441 & Rolling Acres, golf carts cannot.

3. On a structural level. LSVs have seat belts and wipers. They have enhanced braking capacity. They have a lower center of gravity and they have a structurally sturdier frame than golf carts.

I don't think anyone is arguing that LSVs are as safe as a car, only that they are safe enough to be used in the manner that they are legally designed for. You seem to believe "evidence" is important to you as far as this debate--how about some evidence showing a higher incidence (proportional, of course) of accidents with LSVs on TV streets? I haven't seen any evidence in print nor anecdotally. I read the POA newsletter (the only media which actually reports golf cart/LSV accidents) and have yet to see a report of an accident with a LSV using the streets.

[justjim]

I had a street legal and got rid of it. Yes, they are legal and you also pay a lot more for insurance and of course the tags. However, that is not the reason I got rid of it. In my opinion the Florida Rules for a Street Legal are setup wrong. Not being able to legally go the speed limit (only 25mph in a 35mph zone) seemed dangerous to me. Everybody has a right to their opinion and if you want to go 25mph and not be with the traffic flow that is your privilege . Bikes are allowed and without insurance and tags. Hey, everybody to their own level of excitement!

[cappyjon431]

Originally Posted by justjim

I had a street legal and got rid of it. Yes, they are legal and you also pay a lot more for insurance and of course the tags. However, that is not the reason I got rid of it. In my opinion the Florida Rules for a Street Legal are setup wrong. Not being able to legally go the speed limit (only 25mph in a 35mph zone) seemed dangerous to me. Everybody has a right to their opinion and if you want to go 25mph and not be with the traffic flow that is your privilege . Bikes are allowed and without insurance and tags. Hey, everybody to their own level of excitement!

I appreciate your opinion (an opinion based upon experience, not upon your fears) and more importantly, your non-judgemental attitude when discussing the subject.

[hdh1470]

Originally Posted by justjim

I had a street legal and got rid of it. Yes, they are legal and you also pay a lot more for insurance and of course the tags. However, that is not the reason I got rid of it. In my opinion the Florida Rules for a Street Legal are setup wrong. Not being able to legally go the speed limit (only 25mph in a 35mph zone) seemed dangerous to me. Everybody has a right to their opinion and if you want to go 25mph and not be with the traffic flow that is your privilege . Bikes are allowed and without insurance and tags. Hey, everybody to their own level of excitement!

My wife drives in her car here seeing patients all day long and says most of the backups on roads are caused by carts.When that happens other drivers do stupid things to try and get by.Think they are putting life's in danger to mingle with traffic.

[cappyjon431]

Originally Posted by hdh1470

My wife drives in her car here seeing patients all day long and says most of the backups on roads are caused by carts.When that happens other drivers do stupid things to try and get by.Think they are putting life's in danger to mingle with traffic.

I certainly accept your anectdotal evidence, but can someone please explain to me how/why someone traveling in the right lane of either Buena Vista or Camino Real "slows down traffic" when there is a passing lane available? I ride on both of these roads every day (sometimes in the car, sometimes in my GEM) and am frequently slowed down by cars/LSVs going under the 35 mph speed limit. I pass them. Pretty simple stuff really. I don't see these slow moving cars as dangerous or slowing down traffic. I simply pass them like anywhere else i've ever driven where there is a passing lane. There are signs all over TV which say "Share The Road," sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Morse is a different story. Morse is only one lane in certain areas (plus the cart lane) and for that reason I drive my LSV in the cart lane on Morse when there is no passing lane available.

[ureout]

NO.....most of the back up of traffic in TV is from those who insist on driving only in the passing lane and to get by them you must pass on the right....now that is dangerous