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I agree, rubicon but apparently few others care.

RE post # 148 by Sky Guy
 

Just for info only......When You saw a Golf Car in Handicapped Spot in Colony.. You stated that You "waited in car " while the wife ran in the store.... IF you park in a Handicapped Spot in Florida.. State Statute # 316.1955...... AND use a Handicapped Sticker.... the person to whom the Handicapped status is issued MUST EXIT the Vehicle... therefore IF You also parked in a Handicapped SPOT AND did not EXIT THE CAR... YOU ARE IN VIOLATION ....UNLESS your wife ALSO has a Handicapped sticker issued to her ..and that one was displayed......Just Sayin'

Although you did not indicate you thought that I was in another space requiring a permit, I want to state that we were not in such a space but in a general space. But now in hind-sight, you've made me think about our having parked in a general spot and if it were the right thing for us to do. I'll need to give you some background to understand.

We purchased the vehicle more than a year ago and had to buy it without personally driving it because of my condition at the time. Once I could try it I found that I could not safely drive it and my wife has had to do all the driving since. I can't even get myself up and into the passenger seat.

So what I've had to do is either drive my mobility scooter in (or walk in) via the deployed ramp then move off my scooter to the bench seat in the back. What we haven't thought about until I read your message is that... if I am waiting in the back while my wife runs in someplace and we are parked in a standard spot, I wouldn't be able to deploy the ramp to exit and wouldn't be able to get out if necessary while she was gone. The necessity could be anything from an emergency like the unlikely chance that the my vehicle or a vehicle on either side of me catches fire to the need to exit to find a rest room.

So this prompted me (and I'm glad it did) to find and read the statute you gave. I did find it on a Florida .gov website and having read it over twice I found that it did not indicate or even imply what you claimed it did. If I missed it you can point out where it was specifically stated by underlining. I'm providing that section below.

So I want to thank you for making that post, not for bring to my attention what you thought, but rather because it brought to my attention (and possible other disabled individuals) of the potential danger that would exist if a standard parking space is used in the future under similar situations. It's funny how sometimes being wrong can turn out being right! :ho:

316.1955 Enforcement of parking requirements for persons who have disabilities.—
(1) It is unlawful for any person to stop, stand, or park a vehicle within, or to obstruct, any such specially designated and marked parking space provided in accordance with s. 553.5041, unless the vehicle displays a disabled parking permit issued under s. 316.1958 or s. 320.0848 or a license plate issued under s. 320.084, s. 320.0842, s. 320.0843, or s. 320.0845, and the vehicle is transporting the person to whom the displayed permit is issued. The violation may not be dismissed for failure of the marking on the parking space to comply with s. 553.5041 if the space is in general compliance and is clearly distinguishable as a designated accessible parking space for people who have disabilities. Only a warning may be issued for unlawfully parking in a space designated for persons with disabilities if there is no above-grade sign as provided in s. 553.5041.
(a) Whenever a law enforcement officer, a parking enforcement specialist, or the owner or lessee of the space finds a vehicle in violation of this subsection, that officer, owner, or lessor shall have the vehicle in violation removed to any lawful parking space or facility or require the operator or other person in charge of the vehicle immediately to remove the unauthorized vehicle from the parking space. Whenever any vehicle is removed under this section to a storage lot, garage, or other safe parking space, the cost of the removal and parking constitutes a lien against the vehicle.
(b) The officer or specialist shall charge the operator or other person in charge of the vehicle in violation with a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as provided in s. 316.008(4) or s. 318.18(6). The owner of a leased vehicle is not responsible for a violation of this section if the vehicle is registered in the name of the lessee.
(c) All convictions for violations of this section must be reported to the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles by the clerk of the court.
(d) A law enforcement officer or a parking enforcement specialist has the right to demand to be shown the person's disabled parking permit and driver's license or state identification card when investigating the possibility of a violation of this section. If such a request is refused, the person in charge of the vehicle may be charged with resisting an officer without violence, as provided in s. 843.02.
(2) It is unlawful for any person to obstruct the path of travel to an accessible parking space, curb cut, or access aisle by standing or parking a vehicle within any such designated area. The violator is subject to the same penalties as are imposed for illegally parking in a space that is designated as an accessible parking space for persons who have disabilities.
(3) Any person who is chauffeuring a person who has a disability is allowed, without need for a disabled parking permit or a special license plate, to stand temporarily in any such parking space, for the purpose of loading or unloading the person who has a disability. A penalty may not be imposed upon the driver for such temporary standing.
(4)(a) A vehicle that is transporting a person who has a disability and that has been granted a permit under s. 320.0848(1)(a) may be parked for a maximum of 30 minutes in any parking space reserved for persons who have disabilities. (b) Notwithstanding paragraph (a), a theme park or an entertainment complex as defined in s. 509.013(9) which provides parking in designated areas for persons who have disabilities may allow any vehicle that is transporting a person who has a disability to remain parked in a space reserved for persons who have disabilities throughout the period the theme park is open to the public for that day.

Ref: http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/FileStores/Web/Statutes/FS08/CH0316/Section_0316.1955.HTM

Radar trap on Bailey Trail today. Just after the gate to Sunset Point.

Instead of saying "today"... why don't you put a date! Because, tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day... will still say "today"! What day is "today"?

Why is it a speed trap. If you are speeding you should get a ticket!

In that case I'd use the title... "I'm winning the lottery today!" :MOJE_whot:

Ooper. sorry, I didn't think that was necessary since every post is date and time stamped.

Anywho, the trap is gone now.

No problem... but the boys with radar are usually only stationed at on eplace for a couple hours... then they need a doughnut break!

Being a police officer is a dangerous job. I did it for several years and would never consider it again. They clean up the mess that nobody else wants to deal with. Their life is in danger every time they make a traffic stop. They keep our streets and homes free from people who wish to do us harm...people who wish to steal what we have. They engage dangerous felons so that we don't have to. They work nights, weekends and holidays so that we are safe. I put them in the same category as our military men and women.

The constant badgering about doughnuts and police really makes me sad. If you have a crisis at your home, you will forget about doughnuts and call your local police. Men and women for whom I have a great deal of respect.

jlk

Gotta agree with the boss on this one.

Marion County
 

The police here seem to be asleep. I know that Marion is just a small part of the Villages but limits need to be enforced. Marion needs the money as well as Sumpter.

do you really think it is because they need the money? How about deterring the speeders. I have seen police with radar in Marion county.

I absolutely agree!!

Gee, every car I've owned was capable of considerably exceeding the speed limit. Do you feel I should have a governor installed on my current car?

Not necessarily. You do have a speedometer on your car to keep track of your speed and you are not limited to 20 mph on roads.

actually.....
 

car drivers are the biggest offenders here, how many of you, who are so self righteous about cart speeds, do the speed limit in their cars? how many do 25 on unmarked villages roads...that IS the speed limit after all, what about using turn signals? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....I should hear nothing but silence if you are honest!:22yikes:

Patrolling
 

The reason police do very little patrolling, these days? Patrolling does not pay anything!

Just saw an unmarked Police car (silver) with two Police giving tickets to carts on Morse 1/4 mile South of the Rio Grande Traffic Light.


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Well talk host tell me it ain't so and the life of a police officer isn't as depicted in Blue Bloods?

So they seem to be going after the carts for going maybe 2 or 3 mph over the limit. But when are they going to start enforcing the car speed limit. If I'm driving 35 mph down LBV or Morse I usually get ran over. I've had cars go past me so fast it seemed like I was stopped. What is the number of citations for cars and trucks.

Yesterday I saw two police cars, one marked and one unmarked parked on the side of St. Charles facing northbound just south of Tamarind Grove Blvd. Could of been a speed trap, I didn't stay around to watch.

Lap Belt
 

[QUOTE=2BNTV;300482]I thought I dispense some information about seat
I have always worn my sealt belt since I read an article that stated there is a great number of people who get hurt in an accident doing 25 MPH or less. The same article said most people are in accidents close to their home and lamented about how some people will not wear their sealt belts because "I'm only going to the store that is a couple of blocks away.

A police officer who taught a driver safety course said, "I have never unbuckled a dead man".

When I bought a Ferris Zero Turn for 2 acre Northern lawn After visiting the Villages I was surprised it went faster than a rental cart. Second day the seat belt latch broke. I called service to replace it, They laughed at me stating " Seriously you wear a seat belt on a lawn mower! We never get a call for a seat belt repair"

Why we are getting a Tomberlin when we move. Safety Belts, Real Hydraulic Disc brakes!

Our home backs St. Charles and they are stopping both golf carts and autos alike.......they just relocated from Bailey Trail to St. Charles..........

About the post quoted on donuts and stuff.
 

I am one of those people that when they see a car or cart stopped by the police I wonder what that person did wrong.

I don't wonder if the police have time on their hands left over from chasing bad guys.

But police are allowed to stop for donuts. Everyone takes breaks.

I know, I've mostly been on the opposite side of this cart speed discussion...

I find it incredible that the police would target and ticket golf carts that are going a few mph over the 19/20 speed limit.

Just for the record, I have a stock gas cart that has not been tweaked in any way. It runs 20mph on the flat. On streets like St. Charles and Bailey Trail, it can hit 25mph on the downhill stretches. It did not come with a speedometer and I have intentions of installing one. I used GPS a couple times to check speed, so that's how I know how fast it will go.

The police just don't have enough to do around here.

Don't know...just saying

I would bet that a cart stopped for going 2 or 3 miles per hour over the 20 mile limit is not given a ticket for speeding but for not have a properly registered street legal vehicle. The accuracy or radar and laser devices have been challenged in the courts for years and the calibration of these units always comes into question. Much easier to deal with the registration issue as it is a yes or no question.

VG

Virtual Geezer is correct.

If you go back to the first post on this thread, you will note there are no carts ticketed for "speeding". Of the 64 violations issued 56 were for No Vehicle Registration. Meaning since the cart exceeded the 20mph speed it needs to be registered as a low speed vehicle.

So you don't get a ticket for "speeding" in the cart, you get stopped based upon a speed exceeding the 20 mph and the registration of the vehicle is checked in order to verify compliance with the LSV statute.

This sounds a bit sketchy to me. Can they make you alter your vehicle so that it doesn't go over 19.9? How about if you have a cart that goes 25mph but you never drive it over 19.9?
My car is capable of going over 100 mph but I only go 20 mph on my street.

You cannot be made to alter your vehicle, they will just cite you for not being in compliance. I would wager 95% or more of carts in The Villages can or will exceed the 19.9 mph limit going down a steep enough incline. Just because there are conditions where carts can exceed that limit, as in automobiles and their posted speed limits, doesn't mean you can't use them. The sheriff holds numerous speed checks in parking lots throughout the year. They do not confiscate your cart or make you get it altered should you exceed the 19.9 mph a bit.

This whole thread is 2 years old but resurrected.

Yesterday I was in my car on Stillwater between Mallory and the LSL gate. A street legal cart (in the diamond lane I might add) was sailing right along. My car was between 30 and 35 mph and she was going that as well. At one time my car wasn't catching up to her. We have a street legal cart and I can attest it doesn't exceed the legal speed it was set at....even on hills! I had to wonder if this lady's cart was altered in some way!

Threads like this never die or change.

You're missing the point. The legal definition of a golf cart in FL is that it is not capable of exceeding 19.9mph. Not that you keep it under 20. If your cart is capable of exceeding 20 it is no longer a golf cart. It is a motor vehicle and must be registered and insured if it is used on public roadways. That includes the cart lanes on our streets. The citation is for driving an unregistered motor vehicle.

Is your cart capable of exceeding 19.9 mph going down Mallory Hill if you don't touch the brakes and have the accelerator at full throttle? If you answer yes, do you have your cart registered? I am not saying you or anyone would do this, but I don't think there is a cart in TV that is not capable of exceeding 19.9 mph under these conditions. So does that mean everybody should have their carts registered and insured because they are no longer defined as a golf cart?

You still don't get it. Your cart must be mechanically modified to exceed 19.9MPH in order to get a ticket. Going down a hill doesn't count. Nothing more simple than that.

I'm not missing the point! My cart is not mechanically modified to exceed 19.9 mph. But if I get a ticket going down a hill for creeping up to 21 mph, I'll just tell the cop that it's OK because you said it's OK. Look... all I'm saying is that whether or not your cart is mechanically altered to go faster than 19.9 mph, almost every cart in TV is capable, under the right conditions, to exceed that limit. Should a cop stop you for going to fast, he is not going to care if your cart was modified or not... you're going to get a citation!

FYI - golf cart speed
 

I have both an electric club car precedent and a gas TXT ( 2 cylinder) EZ-GO. Both will go around 19.5 on the flat AND at most a few .1 mph faster on the steepest downgrade I could find around here ( checked with GPS). I believe that the speed goveners on at least these carts will keep your speed below 20 MPH regardless of terrain.

If a cop were to give me a ticket for going 22 or 23 ,or 2 or 3 miles over the speed limit in a golf cart I would think I would laugh in his face. Come on people get real. I am not sure how many of these tickets they give out ,if its more than one its to many. I have to beleive that a cop himself would think this is stupid.Man so many other things to catch out there. County sheriff job here , is the easiest in the state.Live a little. Sounds like a lot of whining 3rd graders.

You still don't get it. It's not a speeding ticket. It is a citation for driving an unregistered motor vehicle. I agree it would be picky to issue a speeding ticket for such a small amount over the limit, but it's not a speeding ticket.

All I'm trying to do is clear up what is involved when a cart is cited for going faster than 20 on public roads. No whining involved. Most of the whining I see is from people who believe they should be able to drive their carts (or cars) as fast as they want wherever they want.