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Ooper 10-24-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ajack (Post 301825)
We attached the wife's GPS to the windshield the other day and it seems to work fine. Are GPS's a reliable gauge?

Yes... absolutely. GPS units are not affected by tire and wheel sizes and are very accurate!

Ajack 10-24-2010 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ooper (Post 301829)
Yes... absolutely. GPS units are not affected by tire and wheel sizes and are very accurate!

Thanks, I found that my rental cart will go 27 miles an hour down-hill. Guess I better slow down a bit, huh? LOL

Sydney 10-24-2010 09:53 AM

:BigApplause:
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 300191)
Received this from a person who was at the meeting.


I just came from a District 6 meeting at which the Sumter County Sherriff’s Dept. presented the golf cart citations issued between Aug 11th and Oct 11th. There were 64 citations in all, 9 for Ran Stop Sign, 1 for Possession of Open Container – Driver, and 56 for No Motor Vehicle Registration. The No Motor Vehicle Registration meant that the non-street legal golf cart was operated in excess of 20mph while on public road – path portion or otherwise. The citation requires a court appearance. In general, offenders are required to demonstrate to the judge that repairs have been made to limit the cart’s speed to 20mph and pay court costs of $250. At the judge’s discretion, the several hundred dollar fine is waived.



Drive safely


Bill-n-Brillo 10-24-2010 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ajack (Post 301842)
Thanks, I found that my rental cart will go 27 miles an hour down-hill. Guess I better slow down a bit, huh? LOL

Nah, drive faster. That way you can tell us all where the police hide out when they're clocking carts!! :1rotfl:

As Ooper said, the GPS is going to be spot-on accurate. I've checked our various cars' speedometer readings with one. Some of them are waaaay off!! :shocked:

Bill

Russ_Boston 10-24-2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 301860)
Nah, drive faster. That way you can tell us all where the police hide out when they're clocking carts!! :1rotfl:

As Ooper said, the GPS is going to be spot-on accurate. I've checked our various cars' speedometer readings with one. Some of them are waaaay off!! :shocked:

Bill

GPS Speedometer question: I assume it is distance traveled/time? In other words it's not distance between two points (straight line) divided by time? Obviously nothing in tv is distance straight line with all those tunnels and curvy paths.

Does anyone know how it's calculated?

Bill-n-Brillo 10-24-2010 10:24 AM

Russ - This explains it in pretty straightforward terms:

http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/howgpsworks.php

Hope that helps!

Bill

Ajack 10-24-2010 10:38 AM

I copied this from a public forum:
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I think you're correct to favor the GPS device's speed reading. Speedometers are often inaccurate by one to three miles an hour for a number of reasons ranging from tire size and wear to irregular calibration at the factory. The indicated speed is usually higher than the car's actual speed. Industry officials have said speedometers are set "optimistically" to give drivers an inflated sense of speed (and help them avoid tickets). GPS devices record distance over time without the effects of mechanical variables and thus tend to be more accurate.

Russ_Boston 10-24-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 301877)
Russ - This explains it in pretty straightforward terms:

http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/howgpsworks.php

Hope that helps!

Bill

Thanks,

Speedometer apps must be really accurate.

dlswriter 11-18-2010 02:13 AM

I did get a ticket and paid it. Do not use a lawyer they can do nothing for you I know. Your cart does not have to be upgraded. Just add bigger tires and you are there over the limit. If these people that are glad about people getting ticket just stop and think about it. We know very little about the crime in The Villages as the Daily Sun doesn't report any unless they have to after it is out in public.

We know very little about golf cart accidents in The Villages. If you think it will be safer for you or anyone when all the 200+ ticketed people get their light electrical vehicles and can go 25 MPH all the time including on the separate Golf Cart Paths good luck with that one. And that is correct 200+ and counting. When I was in court my lawyer said the Sumter County DA had 90 the week before mine and 80+ the week I was there so I am sure their were more before and after those weeks.

Maybe we need a new sheriff.

thistrucksforyou 11-18-2010 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by foxmeadow (Post 300409)
Now that the police are cracking down on speeding golf carts, I feel sooooooo
much safer. Excuse me, but the only thing I see accomplished is about $14,000 in the county coffer's. It didn't rid us of the underage driver's, the people with small children on their laps while driving, the towels covering the rear tail lights, too many bodies in a 2 passenger cart, failing to signal turns, turning left from the far right hand lane and on and on. The reason I am so cynical is due to the police power being used while we continue to see homes being burglarized, articles being stolen from carts in broad daylight, autos left in driveways in the evening being broken into, golf courses being vandalized, etc. Those of you who get so worked up at carts passing you, probably fear they will get an open parking spot at the square, or, worse yet, a chair at the square that you might have gotten if the line of carts would just stay behind you. You are the cart going 16 mph, but you are safer??? Maybe they just had to get to the 2 for 1 before it closed. Sorry, I do not see carts that go 5 mph over the speed limit as a major problem, nor the value in the appropriation of police manpower.

Oh ! As much as I agree with you I am sure you are going to be slammed for dissagreeing with the majority !!!:boxing2:

hedoman 11-18-2010 06:04 AM

Open container? Does bottled water count?

ajbrown 11-18-2010 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dlswriter (Post 309392)
I did get a ticket and paid it. Do not use a lawyer they can do nothing for you I know. Your cart does not have to be upgraded. Just add bigger tires and you are there over the limit.

I looked back through the thread to see if you had posted details on your ticket. Would you mind sharing some? How fast? Where? etc.? I hear lots of rumors, but am always interested in some first hand information if you feel like sharing.....

robertwbusby 03-31-2011 11:06 AM

Golf Carts and LSVs
 
I just purchased a LSV and no one seemed to know the real rules, not even the dealer!

Would be nice if The Villages printed a book on purchasing golf carts and LSVs, the do's and dont's and the rules of the road in The Villages, FL on golf multi use vehicle and jogging paths.

I keep hearing about meetings but never seem to see any notice about them.

Every day I see golf carts drving in excess of 20 mph, people sitting in them and driving in them drinking alcohol, folks paying no attention to the rules of the road...so I am thinking The Villages needs to post fome information on the purchase and use of golf carts and LSVs as well as a map of the roads for those vehicles...smiles and frowns...Bob Busby

Ooper 03-31-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by robertwbusby (Post 342570)
I just purchased a LSV and no one seemed to know the real rules, not even the dealer!

Would be nice if The Villages printed a book on purchasing golf carts and LSVs, the do's and dont's and the rules of the road in The Villages, FL on golf multi use vehicle and jogging paths.

I keep hearing about meetings but never seem to see any notice about them.

Every day I see golf carts drving in excess of 20 mph, people sitting in them and driving in them drinking alcohol, folks paying no attention to the rules of the road...so I am thinking The Villages needs to post fome information on the purchase and use of golf carts and LSVs as well as a map of the roads for those vehicles...smiles and frowns...Bob Busby

I don't think it is The Villages responsibility to print a booklet of rules... it is the county or state. You don't see The Villages putting out a book of how to drive a car. It's not a The VIllages law. Talk to your state or county representatives!

Niels 03-31-2011 11:48 AM

The Villages Homeowner's Association (VHA) sponsors a Golf Cart Safety Clinic. It is usually held the third Wednesday of the month from 10AM to 11:30AM at the Savannah Center. They usually have various specialists (police officers, insurance agents, etc.) at the meeting to give a quick speech and answer any questions.

rubicon 03-31-2011 12:30 PM

Sumter County Golf Carts
 
The date of the last post states "today" prior one was 11/2010 so I am not sure if this is active. However foxmeadow, fumar and richielion have my vote as they speak my mind. I have been here for 5 years and the drivers who create the largest hazards on the cartpaths are those drivers who appear to have carts powered by two AA batteries and I suspect these are the same people who get passed and then complain. I believe the police departments actions here are punitive to say the least. The Villages is expanding and will require travelling greater distances to various functions. Theortically we could live with a cart travelling at 19/20 mph. However realistically either because of a poorly conditioned cart and /or driver too often you will find that carts are not reaching 14mph and that is on a level pathway. the real culprit here is the design of cartpaths. They should have never been made multi-modal because you are just asking for an accident to occur. Try driving your cart before sunrise or after sunset, You will dsicover that you are blinded by headlights from other carts or cars adjacent to these cartpaths. You will find walkers or bicylist who seem to believe that all carts are provided with night vision goggles At those times I keep my speed below 15mph, sometimes less. Finally let me remind everyone that passing is permitted providing it is being done with caution. I have never heard a person complain that someone passed them unsafely only that someone passed them.:boom:

Tbugs 03-31-2011 12:47 PM

Clarification please
 
I understand the "speeding" of over 20 mph on the public roads.

For the "open container" of beer - is that also on the public roads only or is it illegal to have an open container while on the multi-modal path as well? Could a police officer stop you for open container on the crossover of public road to the other side of multi-modal path?

I have a Polaris Breeze with the flip down rear seat. Seat belts both front and back. I got mine at The Villages Golf Car Store at Colony. I check mine out for speed every now and then by using my GPS unit. Mine is unchanged from the factory and the speed according to the GPS is between 19 and 20 mph.

I also hope there are no fools out there who are driving golf carts without liability insurance. That could cost you a bundle of money - or even your home.

rubicon 03-31-2011 01:03 PM

Sumter county........
 
tbug that is a good question and my immediate reaction is to the issue of " don't drink while you are driving" campaign". So I suspect if a cop stopped someone with an open container it may excuse the pun "leave it open" for discussion. Just a guess??? do you like your Polaris?. i do agree with the majority 19/20 mh ample Safety is an issue and let's face it as we age our reaction time slows.

hedoman 03-31-2011 01:51 PM

How are speeders caught on the multimodal paths? Are there unmarked carts and speed traps??

:police:

On our Lifestyle Visit I got passed so many times it was silly but those carts are tuned way down. I test drove another cart and the difference was astounding.

chacam 03-31-2011 02:05 PM

Multi Modal Paths are private property. You can be cited on roads, not paths.



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Originally Posted by hedoman (Post 342682)
How are speeders caught on the multimodal paths? Are there unmarked carts and speed traps??

:police:

On our Lifestyle Visit I got passed so many times it was silly but those carts are tuned way down. I test drove another cart and the difference was astounding.


clekr 03-31-2011 03:28 PM

The Lady Lake PD has a golf cart which may be seen from time to time in SS. Sumter County sherrif also has a cart, which I have seen patroling at LSL and on the multi-modal path around Arnold Palmer. While I'm under the impression the trails are privately owned and public laws are not enforceable, I'm also thinking they are not patrolling for no reason.

downeaster 03-31-2011 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chacam (Post 342688)
Multi Modal Paths are private property. You can be cited on roads, not paths.

Not too sure about that. If that were the case then speeding in parking lots would not be an offense.

I would be more concerned about my insurance coverage than receiving a ticket. The insurance company insured a golf cart. If the golf cart is modified to exceed 20MPH it is no longer a golf cart. If involved in an accident, regardless of fault, the claims adjuster is going to check for any modifications. The insured may find the policy was voided by modifying the vehicle and end up with a denied claim and return of premium.

Exceeding 20MPH in a cart can be costly if cited. That has been discussed. But in the event of an accident it can be ruinous.

The proliferation of golf carts in communities like ours is going to get the attention of the insurance companies, if it already hasn't. It will be them, not the police, who will make a difference.

chacam 03-31-2011 06:18 PM

SCSO has no jurisdiction to enforce violations on the multi-modal paths that exist on District property.


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Originally Posted by downeaster (Post 342790)
Not too sure about that. If that were the case then speeding in parking lots would not be an offense.

I would be more concerned about my insurance coverage than receiving a ticket. The insurance company insured a golf cart. If the golf cart is modified to exceed 20MPH it is no longer a golf cart. If involved in an accident, regardless of fault, the claims adjuster is going to check for any modifications. The insured may find the policy was voided by modifying the vehicle and end up with a denied claim and return of premium.

Exceeding 20MPH in a cart can be costly if cited. That has been discussed. But in the event of an accident it can be ruinous.

The proliferation of golf carts in communities like ours is going to get the attention of the insurance companies, if it already hasn't. It will be them, not the police, who will make a difference.


bkcunningham1 03-31-2011 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vj1213 (Post 300710)
I just smiled and said " yeah, and I would hate to jerk you off that cart and whack you upside the head with one of your golf clubs"

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

downeaster 03-31-2011 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chacam (Post 342797)
SCSO has no jurisdiction to enforce violations on the multi-modal paths that exist on District property.

It would seem they must have some jurisdiction. If violations can not be enforced then there are no violations? Anyone can do whatever they want? If I were to witness someone drunk and driving a golf cart fast and erratically, who do I call? When there is an accident on the multi modal paths, are the police not called? There have been instances where autos have been driven on the paths. Who has the authority to remove them? It is my understanding the District has no policing authority.

I am not trying to be a smart aleck here. I am posing questions that concern me.

Shirleevee 03-31-2011 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hedoman (Post 342682)
How are speeders caught on the multimodal paths? Are there unmarked carts and speed traps??

:police:

On our Lifestyle Visit I got passed so many times it was silly but those carts are tuned way down. I test drove another cart and the difference was astounding.

My husband and I were at the VA Clinic a few weeks ago and I took a picture a golf cart marked Sheriff....I think it was Marion County

handyman 04-01-2011 12:55 AM

So what are the cup holders for?It's one of the reasons I like this place............Stop whinning and have FUN ,,LIFE is to short

skyguy79 04-01-2011 03:16 AM

What about handicapped parking?
 
About a month ago I noticed that a golf cart was parked at Colony Plaza in a handicapped parking space. There was no handicapped placard displayed and the driver even made sure to park smack dab in the center of the space so no other cart could share the space.

Now I didn't get bothered by the fact that if the space wasn't occupied legally and I wouldn't be able to use the spot where I could have deployed my mobility ramp to unload and be assured that the deployment space would still available when I returned. It didn't bother me because I was waiting in the vehicle while my wife ran in to the store to pickup a few things and I didn't need the space at that time... but another legitimate user might have needed it and couldn't because of someones inconsiderate behavior.

As I sat waiting for my wife, the question came to mind of how can this kind of illegal parking be inforced when the carts are not registered and therefor not identifiable? Write a ticket to no one, a citation that wasn't worth the paper it was written on? Seems to me that anyone with a cart can break the accessable parking laws at will without being held responsible or facing consequences!

Am I missing something here where it could be enforced... like maybe immediate towing if the drivers not there to be identified? I'm interested in hearing what others have to say about this!

Bill-n-Brillo 04-01-2011 07:00 AM

skyguy - If FL runs their show like OH does, a quick call to law enforcement will result in immediate action. You're right - how can they hope to enforce a ticket that's written to an essentially unregistered vehicle? But I'd guess the officer might be willing to wait a bit for the cart's owner to arrive and go from there. Otherwise, have the cart towed and apply the ticket to the tow bill. Just idle thinking - don't know how enforceable that would be either!!

Easiest way to make the point would be get some help to push the cart to another parking spot. That might help make the point to the cart's owner! :)

Bill

Talk Host 04-01-2011 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 342937)

Easiest way to make the point would be get some help to push the cart to another parking spot. :)

Bill

Wouldn't that put the "pushers" into the position of being guiltily of malicious mischief, (messing with somebody's private property?)

When I was a deputy in Mahoning County, Ohio, two cars were drag racing on a newly completed, as of yet, unopened stretch of interstate highway. There was an accident and both cars rolled over. I issued a bunch of citations to both drivers. The judge threw every one of them out because it was not yet a public road.

JLK

livsea2 04-01-2011 08:54 AM

Huh?
 
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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 342977)
Wouldn't that put the "pushers" into the position of being guiltily of malicious mischief, (messing with somebody's private property?)

When I was a deputy in Mahoning County, Ohio, two cars were drag racing on a newly completed, as of yet, unopened stretch of interstate highway. There was an accident and both cars rolled over. I issued a bunch of citations to both drivers. The judge threw every one of them out because it was not yet a public road.

JLK

I would have to question this judge. Almost every day in my area the state police issue citations in the Walmart parking lot, the local shopping center parking lot, etc. They are not public roads, they are privately owned parking lots. According to this judge a cop couldn't issue a citation for parking in a handicap spot with out a placard in a privately owned lot. Nonsense.

skyguy79 04-01-2011 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 342937)
skyguy - If FL runs their show like OH does, a quick call to law enforcement will result in immediate action. You're right - how can they hope to enforce a ticket that's written to an essentially unregistered vehicle? But I'd guess the officer might be willing to wait a bit for the cart's owner to arrive and go from there. Otherwise, have the cart towed and apply the ticket to the tow bill. Just idle thinking - don't know how enforceable that would be either!!

Easiest way to make the point would be get some help to push the cart to another parking spot. That might help make the point to the cart's owner! :)

Bill

Bill, I would never ask others to put themselves in a position that could bring undesirable results or liability from the moving of the cart! Also the situation does not present any real danger to others and as such I wouldn't call in law enforcement to turn in the offender any more that I would turn in a neighbor who had more than two goldfish pets! Besides, how would I know if the offender was actually handicapped (I know it would still be illegal parking) and just forgot to put up his placard or did have it where it was not visible to me! Sometimes it's just better to let nature take it's course and let law enforcement handle the situation if they happen to spot the situation.

Bill-n-Brillo 04-01-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 342977)
Wouldn't that put the "pushers" into the position of being guiltily of malicious mischief, (messing with somebody's private property?.........JLK

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Originally Posted by skyguy79 (Post 343053)
Bill, I would never ask others to put themselves in a position that could bring undesirable results or liability from the moving of the cart! Also the situation does not present any real danger to others and as such I wouldn't call in law enforcement to turn in the offender any more that I would turn in a neighbor who had more than two goldfish pets! Besides, how would I know if the offender was actually handicapped (I know it would still be illegal parking) and just forgot to put up his placard or did have it where it was not visible to me! Sometimes it's just better to let nature take it's course and let law enforcement handle the situation if they happen to spot the situation.

You're both right - and I was wrong/out of line with my post. I guess if you choose to put yourself in that position, that's up to the individual. To drag someone else into it wouldn't be kosher.

My bad.

Bill :)

skyguy79 04-01-2011 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 343069)
You're both right - and I was wrong/out of line with my post. I guess if you choose to put yourself in that position, that's up to the individual. To drag someone else into it wouldn't be kosher.

My bad.

Bill :)

Out of line? I wouldn't say that! You just simply replied with what was on your mind at the time you posted, and sometimes we hastily react with blurred vision. Remember the old expression that hind-sight is 20/20? Well, there's more to that expression, but I dont think that I should go there! :1rotfl:
Is that pop-corn ready yet? :MOJE_whot:

Bill-n-Brillo 04-01-2011 11:54 AM

Thanks. My blurred vision is usually from Sandy head-slapping me, though....:shocked:

Finished the latest batch of popcorn - got some more goin' as we speak!

Bill

skyguy79 04-01-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 343090)
Thanks. My blurred vision is usually from Sandy head-slapping me, though....:shocked:

Finished the latest batch of popcorn - got some more goin' as we speak!

Bill

Have you considered seeking help from PCA (Popcorn Anonymous)? :1rotfl:

Bill-n-Brillo 04-01-2011 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by skyguy79 (Post 343132)
Have you considered seeking help from PCA (Popcorn Anonymous)? :1rotfl:

Oh heavens no! I don't have a popcorn problem...........:shocked:

Bill

rubicon 04-01-2011 03:54 PM

Sumter County
 
There is a lot of information here that needs to be explored from police jurisdiction to the possibility of exclusion by an insurance company if a cart is altered??????

Pturner 04-01-2011 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 343069)
You're both right - and I was wrong/out of line with my post. I guess if you choose to put yourself in that position, that's up to the individual. To drag someone else into it wouldn't be kosher.

My bad.

Bill :)

I never heard of kosher popcorn. Maybe you need a pickle smilie.

:popcorn:

skyguy79 04-01-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pturner (Post 343241)
I never heard of kosher popcorn. Maybe you need a pickle smilie.:popcorn:

Hows this one!

http://th211.photobucket.com/albums/...ONE/th_SPP.jpg


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