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Bonny 05-07-2015 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NavyNJ (Post 1056998)
What is a Compliance Officer? Who employs and/or pays him? How many of them are there? What are their normal duties - in office taking complaints? Out on patrol? Do they wear uniforms? Do they patrol in their own vehicles, or golf carts, or those owned by the CDD they represent? Or do they represent all CDDs in TV?

Have seen many referrals to these guys in this thread, but have zero idea who they are.

Like neighborhood watch. Just making sure people are following the rules when there is a complaint made.

biker1 05-07-2015 08:19 AM

We have lived in a deed restricted community before The Villages. Compliance was a combination of anonymous complaints (something I never agreed with, you should put your name on the complaint) and a resident manager inspecting the community weekly. The HOA actually took someone to court over a violation, and won. There were some violations they never enforced because they felt too much time had gone by without enforcement and that was an implicit acceptance of the violation. The lesson learned was that timely enforcement is a good idea.

What is done in The Villages is the easy way out: let the residents report non-compliance. I have never agreed with that approach. I can understand that people are hesitant to report neighbors, those who enjoy reporting violations notwithstanding. Given that The Villages (actually the CDDs??) doesn't want to do the dirty work, we must realize that it is up to us to take the steps to maintain the look and feel that we want for our neighborhoods. I personally don't like seeing a yard full of tchotchkes. Fortunately, all of my neighbors apparently feel the same way.

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Originally Posted by drcar (Post 1056989)
Biker 1, you are correct. The compliance officers will not act without a specific complaint. They do their duty, nicely and professionally. My point to which keeps getting twisted, do we really want a community to which people drive around and file hundreds of complaints because they can! Some posters have said "if you can't take the heat". Again my point is NOT to say that the lawn ornaments are legal or tasteful but to point out the way this is being handled. Myself and my neighbors could place statues of any kind on the front porches to prove a point and that would be ok. And to have posters state that no one should judge on what is tasteful, I agree, but the compliance officers are already doing that by using their judgment about what is and is not a lawn ornament. JUST SAYING!!


NavyNJ 05-07-2015 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by gap2415 (Post 1056882)
There always seems to be a Mrs Kravitz looking to find fault! In our old area, it was a man who went out walking his dog at 5 pm with nothing better to do than see if he could find fault with someone who just may have made a minor slip in the area. He annoyed everyone and soon became the most hated person in the subdivision.

Big difference between the letter and the spirit of rules! Live and let live ... Unless it is totally outrageous in my opinion ..which may not be worth much to the Mrs Kravitz' s of the world.

Gap - Not sure that "Lenny" would be too appreciative of casting his mom in such a light! :)

NavyNJ 05-07-2015 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1057005)
Like neighborhood watch. Just making sure people are following the rules when there is a complaint made.

Sorry, Bonny. Not being a jerk here, but I kind of knew that much of it. I was looking for specific answers from those who might know to the other questions. Cheers! :)

Bonny 05-07-2015 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NavyNJ (Post 1057017)
Sorry, Bonny. Not being a jerk here, but I kind of knew that much of it. I was looking for specific answers from those who might know to the other questions. Cheers! :)

When I saw that you asked "what is a compliance officer ?" I assumed you didn't know. Answers to the rest of your questions, I couldn't tell you.

NavyNJ 05-07-2015 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1057019)
When I saw that you asked "what is a compliance officer ?" I assumed you didn't know. Answers to the rest of your questions, I couldn't tell you.

Yeah, that was my fault the way I worded it. What I was getting at was, what's their Job Description? What are the requirements to be hired for that job? Do they get any training? Seems like it could be a power trip for the wrong person in that job.

CFrance 05-07-2015 09:06 AM

I don't think the compliance guys themselves are on power trips. Our neighbor (snowbird) received a complaint about weeds in the yard, and the compliance person was very apologetic and handled it very nicely.

It's the people who drive around looking for rule benders and then turn 97 of them in who seem to be on power trips. You would think common sense would say to the compliance department that if they get 97complaints from the same person, he's probably a nut case. But I guess they are duty bound to investigate.

mulligan 05-07-2015 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1056938)
If someone's decorations bother you, call Deed Compliance.
If they don't bother you, don't call.
Don't let anyone convince you that reporting your neighbor is your duty!

Not to be contrary, but if you read the last section of the restrictions you signed for, it states that you DO have an obligation to report infractions, and pursue mitigation up to and including litigation.

CFrance 05-07-2015 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 1057048)
Not to be contrary, but if you read the last section of the restrictions you signed for, it states that you DO have an obligation to report infractions, and pursue mitigation up to and including litigation.

Surely that doesn't mean that we have an obligation to take on the cost of suing someone over lack of compliance. What are they smoking?

PennBF 05-07-2015 09:52 AM

Consequences
 
We all agreed to Deed Restrictions when we bought. They are simple and in most cases reasonable. In a lot of cases Residents break the rules but don't want to accept the consequences for doing so, (e.g. removing the alleged violation). Our community is great and we are proud when visitors come and agree and in some cases buy. Lets not screw it up with a lot of junk in the
yards, etc. One mans treasurer is another mans junk.:bowdown:

Sanibel7 05-07-2015 09:56 AM

If you want to know what Community Standards does and the procedures that are taken Please go to Village Community Development Districts, Hover your mouse over Departments on the blue bar, Click on Community Standards. This will bring you to they're home page. Scroll down and find your district. These will be on the main page with a red line. Click on it. There will be an overview with definitions and basic deed restriction guidelines. Not all Districts have the same restrictions, The individual district boards have the right to enforce or not enforce certain restrictions. They cannot change the restrictions though. When you bought your home you signed and agreed to abide by the deed restrictions set forth by the developer. That is a binding contract and the boards can not change that but they can choose to enforce or not enforce certain parts of the document. If you would like something changed bring it up to your board at an open meeting.

Sanibel7 05-07-2015 09:57 AM

Village Community Development Districts

janmcn 05-07-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1057028)
I don't think the compliance guys themselves are on power trips. Our neighbor (snowbird) received a complaint about weeds in the yard, and the compliance person was very apologetic and handled it very nicely.

It's the people who drive around looking for rule benders and then turn 97 of them in who seem to be on power trips. You would think common sense would say to the compliance department that if they get 97complaints from the same person, he's probably a nut case. But I guess they are duty bound to investigate.


What is the next step once a person gets a complaint? Are they given a certain amount of time to correct the situation? If so, does the compliance department come back for a second inspection and sign off on the complaint?

I wonder how many of these 97 residents want to plead not guilty and if there is such a remedy?

Maybe the complainer is having trouble selling their home and feels that the neighborhoods are looking a little junked up.

skip0358 05-07-2015 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1056850)
No, Skip, I do not agree.
That's the thing, we don't have to turn each other in!
In eight years I've never complained about anyone.
There is absolutely no way anyone has to complain about anyone else.
Most people take a "live and let live" attitude.
The process is there for people to address a property which they feel is garish and unacceptable.
However most of us will never use the complaint process, and that is the way it should be.

Guess I didn't word it right. These are District rules we shouldn't have to nor do I intend to turn someone in for breaking a district rule. Period unless it's a safety or health issue. The District should enforce their own rules without a tattletale enforcement.

Villageswimmer 05-07-2015 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by drcar (Post 1056989)
Biker 1, you are correct. The compliance officers will not act without a specific complaint. They do their duty, nicely and professionally. My point to which keeps getting twisted, do we really want a community to which people drive around and file hundreds of complaints because they can! Some posters have said "if you can't take the heat". Again my point is NOT to say that the lawn ornaments are legal or tasteful but to point out the way this is being handled. Myself and my neighbors could place statues of any kind on the front porches to prove a point and that would be ok. And to have posters state that no one should judge on what is tasteful, I agree, but the compliance officers are already doing that by using their judgment about what is and is not a lawn ornament. JUST SAYING!!


OP, not sure why you've taken this on as your problem. If some wha cko wants to file what is now "hundreds of complaints," despite your intentions, it is not your problem. The Villages compliance folks are the professionals in this arena and have probably dealt successfully with these issues before. Best not to stress over it.

kcrazorbackfan 05-07-2015 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1057028)
I don't think the compliance guys themselves are on power trips. Our neighbor (snowbird) received a complaint about weeds in the yard, and the compliance person was very apologetic and handled it very nicely.

It's the people who drive around looking for rule benders and then turn 97 of them in who seem to be on power trips. You would think common sense would say to the compliance department that if they get 97complaints from the same person, he's probably a nut case. But I guess they are duty bound to investigate.

Not just a nut case but more like :loco::loco::loco::loco:. On 2nd thought, they must really lead miserable lives with no friends and nothing to do to feel the need to travel around neighborhoods and write all of these so-called "infractions" down. I know I get fired up about divots on greens and tee boxes but it's hard to call someone out when everyone you play with fixes them.

drcar 05-07-2015 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1057229)
Not just a nut case but more like :loco::loco::loco::loco:. On 2nd thought, they must really lead miserable lives with no friends and nothing to do to feel the need to travel around neighborhoods and write all of these so-called "infractions" down. I know I get fired up about divots on greens and tee boxes but it's hard to call someone out when everyone you play with fixes them.

:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

drcar 05-07-2015 05:40 PM

Whats really funny is the person missed some homes, but according to some posters we should turn them now!

rockyisle 05-07-2015 05:40 PM

I've waited until now to chime in - wondering when someone would bring up the obvious - that's why we live here. I really don't want yard ornaments in my neighbors' yards or I'd have chosen a home in the northern district where they have no rules. You can slather on all the ornaments you want on your lawn without infraction.
As to the 90+ complaints, it certainly is sour grapes, yet are there that many people in the area that are out of compliance with the rules they said they would uphold? I'm glad I live in a neighborhood that lives in compliance.... phew... they are also the neighbors who let us walk our dogs and don't worry about the d-mail scents left behind.

Carl in Tampa 05-07-2015 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rockyisle (Post 1057256)
I've waited until now to chime in - wondering when someone would bring up the obvious - that's why we live here. I really don't want yard ornaments in my neighbors' yards or I'd have chosen a home in the northern district where they have no rules. You can slather on all the ornaments you want on your lawn without infraction.
As to the 90+ complaints, it certainly is sour grapes, yet are there that many people in the area that are out of compliance with the rules they said they would uphold? I'm glad I live in a neighborhood that lives in compliance.... phew... they are also the neighbors who let us walk our dogs and don't worry about the d-mail scents left behind.

I guess I'm unfamiliar with the different areas. What is the "northern district" where there are no rules?

The area of TV that is in Marion County is very restricted due to County rules.

DianeM 05-07-2015 07:18 PM

"My duty to report someone out of compliance". ??? Are you kidding me? That's so uncivilized it's pathetic. You can bang your covenants papers to your hearts desire but the majority of the world believes "live and let live". I truly believe the great majority scan those documents at closing and say yeah yeah. Hell will freeze before I report anyone for a lawn ornament.

DougB 05-07-2015 08:03 PM

My God, people! Have you never heard of the falling domino theory. You have a row of dominoes set up, you knock over the first one, and what will happen to the last one is the certainly that it will fall over very quickly.

This needs to be nipped in the bud. Lawn ornament victory in one village can quickly lead to a chain reaction of lawn ornament takeovers in neighboring villages. *Deed restrictions might then be re-wrote where if you own a house in The Villages it must have a lawn ornament in the front yard. This could lead to a major rise in the price of lawn ornaments. Then we would have to start having them made in China. This could not only end life in The Villages as we know it, but could be the destruction of our whole economic system.

rockyisle 05-07-2015 08:41 PM

If you head over to Rio Grande into the Mira Mesa area near Spanish Springs you will see every version of lawn decor on the planet. No deed restrictions. I'm guessing here (certainly not a legal expert), but that area is in Lake County.

Polar Bear 05-07-2015 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1057287)
...the majority of the world believes "live and let live"...

If your saying the majority wants to ignore deed restrictions, I strongly dispute your claim.

lafoto 05-07-2015 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1057287)
"My duty to report someone out of compliance". ??? Are you kidding me? That's so uncivilized it's pathetic. You can bang your covenants papers to your hearts desire but the majority of the world believes "live and let live". I truly believe the great majority scan those documents at closing and say yeah yeah. Hell will freeze before I report anyone for a lawn ornament.

Hear hear!!! This thread and this "issue" are such a waste of time. If you moved to the Villages so you could become part of the "Gnome Police".....well you will be very lonely... no one wants to hear your whining.

perrjojo 05-07-2015 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lafoto (Post 1057346)
Hear hear!!! This thread and this "issue" are such a waste of time. If you moved to the Villages so you could become part of the "Gnome Police".....well you will be very lonely... no one wants to hear your whining.

I certainly don't report my neighbors but I did move to TV because there are restrictions and I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN A GNOME VILLAGE. People should comply with the covenants. If you comply you will not get a letter..simple as that.

Polar Bear 05-08-2015 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1057349)
I certainly don't report my neighbors but I did move to TV because there are restrictions and I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN A GNOME VILLAGE. People should comply with the covenants. If you comply you will not get a letter..simple as that.

Agree. Pretty simple.

DianeM 05-08-2015 08:37 AM

wish I had a gnome to put on my lawn. Might have to go shopping.

TheVillageChicken 05-08-2015 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1057455)
wish I had a gnome to put on my lawn. Might have to go shopping.

Stay tasteful

http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/outdoor...Birdie-574.jpg

DianeM 05-08-2015 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 1057477)

Good one

OCsun 05-08-2015 09:33 AM

Zombie Gnome's! Too funny! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Villageswimmer 05-08-2015 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1057349)
I certainly don't report my neighbors but I did move to TV because there are restrictions and I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN A GNOME VILLAGE. People should comply with the covenants. If you comply you will not get a letter..simple as that.


...and if you get a letter, put the gnomes away! Simple as that. Why so much drama over nothing?

Challenger 05-08-2015 10:06 AM

"Good fences make good neighbors"
From the Mending Wall by Robert Frost

It would be good for posters to read (google) this wonderful poem written many years ago by one of America's greatest philosophers/poets.It refers to neighbors agreeing to rebuild and keep in good repair a fence (rule of use).

Good rules (fences) also make good neighbors, provided that everyone abides by the covenants that they have previouly agreed to.

No one is required to be a "snitch". Some feel that they should utilize their contractural right to report infractions (rebuild and repair) the wall. In the final analysis the reporters are helpping to preserve the values of all, even those who protest so loudly.

drcar 05-08-2015 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1057502)
"Good fences make good neighbors"
From the Mending Wall by Robert Frost

It would be good for posters to read (google) this wonderful poem written many years ago by one of America's greatest philosophers/poets.It refers to neighbors agreeing to rebuild and keep in good repair a fence (rule of use).

Good rules (fences) also make good neighbors, provided that everyone abides by the covenants that they have previouly agreed to.

No one is required to be a "snitch". Some feel that they should utilize their contractural right to report infractions (rebuild and repair) the wall. In the final analysis the reporters are helpping to preserve the values of all, even those who protest so loudly.

LOL, good fences make ...... fences!

asianthree 05-09-2015 05:05 AM

I love the metal birds in the yards by houses, but have to admit in our old neighbor hood, the house down the street had more garden decorations in the front yard than Walmart. Yes I know they loved it but not following the rules is not right. Nope no one has turned them in but...

graciegirl 05-09-2015 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1057502)
"Good fences make good neighbors"
From the Mending Wall by Robert Frost

It would be good for posters to read (google) this wonderful poem written many years ago by one of America's greatest philosophers/poets.It refers to neighbors agreeing to rebuild and keep in good repair a fence (rule of use).

Good rules (fences) also make good neighbors, provided that everyone abides by the covenants that they have previouly agreed to.

No one is required to be a "snitch". Some feel that they should utilize their contractural right to report infractions (rebuild and repair) the wall. In the final analysis the reporters are helpping to preserve the values of all, even those who protest so loudly.





Excellent post Challenger and very reasonable point made.

One of the reasons that this place is so beautiful is because of the deed restrictions.

They aren't a minus, they are a plus. Deed restrictions are not new to many of us. We chose to build our last five homes in deed restricted areas, because the restrictions protected our investment and because we liked the way it looked.

The deed restrictions became more tight as The Villages grew. There are not as many in the historical parts and in the areas off of Morse north of 466 as there are in the newer areas north of 466 of Buena Vista and all areas south of 466.

They used to be overseen by Villages Watch but now they are enforced when someone reports them. If you call Standards, there will be NO public record. I was surprised to read about the emails being public...which makes me muse...........Whoops.

I did not move here to look at bend over ladies and multiple pots and gee gaws and frou frous and plastic flowers. I didn't even move here to look at expensive bronze ornaments....but there are some that can get approval from ARC if requested, so ask them before you place something beautiful and find out it is against deed restrictions.

I think it odd that someone turned in myriads of reports, but if a bend over lady comes into my line of vision near my home...well..you guessed it.

And if I get all out of wack and silly as I grow older and buy a bronze statue of Brad Pitt and place it in my front flower bed, well please feel free to report me. I know that if I don't comply, I will get fined and a lien placed on my home. Rules and restrictions were there when I bought and I signed the papers.

Let's keep The Villages beautiful.

MelZ 05-09-2015 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by drcar (Post 1056236)
I want to thank the individual, or individuals who must have issues with the home owners in the village of Tamarind Grove. A complaint was filed with “Deed Compliance” concerning “Lawn Ornaments”, 97 separate complaints! The complaints range from “Decorative flags” to statues! Before everyone jumps on me, I understand the rules, BUT 97 complaints! I have been informed that this person or persons have also gone into St James and Buttonwood! This is NOT a small issue this is a personal vendetta. When does this stop? Do we really need this type of reporting, people in the neighbors have had no issues, but a person who outside the village can travel anywhere and file complaints?

So let me understand I break the law (or violate my deed restrictions) but my friends say it's ok.
It's not the number of violations that's the problem even one is too many.

drcar 05-09-2015 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MelZ (Post 1057867)
So let me understand I break the law (or violate my deed restrictions) but my friends say it's ok.
It's not the number of violations that's the problem even one is too many.

Let me try and bring this back to the original issue. One item is a violation. Anyone can file a compliant. No one can defend by stating the value, the beauty or the number. The posters are correct, the deed states no lawn ornaments. Now drive around, of course you see them. My issues is with a person on a personal mission, turning in hundreds of people. The person does not live in my village. Yes they have the right, but wow, what a power trip. Heck the person does not even need to live in the villages. The other issue in the compliance people are telling different people different rules. The other funny issue is that as they are talking to reported home owners, they do no address homeowners who have ornaments but no one reported them. The system is not working!

Villageswimmer 05-09-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by drcar (Post 1057905)
Let me try and bring this back to the original issue. One item is a violation. Anyone can file a compliant. No one can defend by stating the value, the beauty or the number. The posters are correct, the deed states no lawn ornaments. Now drive around, of course you see them. My issues is with a person on a personal mission, turning in hundreds of people. The person does not live in my village. Yes they have the right, but wow, what a power trip. Heck the person does not even need to live in the villages. The other issue in the compliance people are telling different people different rules. The other funny issue is that as they are talking to reported home owners, they do no address homeowners who have ornaments but no one reported them. The system is not working!


Right. Sounds like this has really upset you. Whether it's 1, 97 or "hundreds," makes no difference.

While the system is not perfect, it does work. Obviously, TV and many posters agree. Sometimes one just needs to accept what one cannot change. Don't hold a grudge against this person despite the fact that you don't like what they did. Sounds like this is eating you up inside. Not worth it. Namaste.

Challenger 05-09-2015 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by drcar (Post 1057905)
Let me try and bring this back to the original issue. One item is a violation. Anyone can file a compliant. No one can defend by stating the value, the beauty or the number. The posters are correct, the deed states no lawn ornaments. Now drive around, of course you see them. My issues is with a person on a personal mission, turning in hundreds of people. The person does not live in my village. Yes they have the right, but wow, what a power trip. Heck the person does not even need to live in the villages. The other issue in the compliance people are telling different people different rules. The other funny issue is that as they are talking to reported home owners, they do no address homeowners who have ornaments but no one reported them. The system is not working!

Only a few get caught for traffic violations. Should we stop enforcement?


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