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Barefoot 05-09-2015 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by drcar (Post 1057905)
The other funny issue is that as they are talking to reported home owners, they do not address homeowners who have ornaments but no one reported them. The system is not working!

If home owners haven't been reported, isn't that because neighbors find their ornaments acceptable and tasteful?
And therefore, isn't the System working as it should?

wereback 05-09-2015 12:40 PM

Could it be we really hate it but want to try to be nice???

Jayhawk 05-09-2015 02:24 PM

Here's a nearby place that doesn't worry about these things. Vote with your wallet.

Lake Weir Preserve - Lake Weir Preserve

HOA (Home-Owner Association) fees & restrictions, and CDD or bond fees are not part of the active adult lifestyle at Lake Weir Preserve

lafoto 05-09-2015 02:41 PM

I think the system is broken. I think instead of having to report someone for the heinous crime of placing a small ceramic statue in their garden, the person who is offended by said statue should have to confront the classless buffoon face to face. I can imagine the conversation would go like this, " Hi Johnny I am your neighbor 5 doors down the block and I drive down the street everyday and I am appalled at your lack of taste and class with your choice of lawn decoration! Get rid of that lawn gnome right now!" Johnny might reply with," Oh its nice to meet you! I have seen you and your lovely wife riding down the street with your gnome documentation equipment. That is you right? You have that neon pink cart with all the little fuzzy dice hanging from roof. I love those floral Moo Moos your wife wears and those clown sunglasses are just priceless! Well listen about my yard gnome....I am retired and I just dont give a sh-- any more. I moved down here to Americas friendliest hometown so that I can spend what time i have left on this planet just relaxing. I have lots of friends here who dont care how much money I have, or what kind of car I drive, and they certainly dont care if I have a lawn gnome or not! So listen when you pass my house in the future please just avert your eyes and keep right on going. And one last thing... please tell your wife that Omar the tent maker is having a sale on Moomoos this week!"

graciegirl 05-09-2015 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lafoto (Post 1058009)
I think the system is broken. I think instead of having to report someone for the heinous crime of placing a small ceramic statue in their garden, the person who is offended by said statue should have to confront the classless buffoon face to face. I can imagine the conversation would go like this, " Hi Johnny I am your neighbor 5 doors down the block and I drive down the street everyday and I am appalled at your lack of taste and class with your choice of lawn decoration! Get rid of that lawn gnome right now!" Johnny might reply with," Oh its nice to meet you! I have seen you and your lovely wife riding down the street with your gnome documentation equipment. That is you right? You have that neon pink cart with all the little fuzzy dice hanging from roof. I love those floral Moo Moos your wife wears and those clown sunglasses are just priceless! Well listen about my yard gnome....I am retired and I just dont give a sh-- any more. I moved down here to Americas friendliest hometown so that I can spend what time i have left on this planet just relaxing. I have lots of friends here who dont care how much money I have, or what kind of car I drive, and they certainly dont care if I have a lawn gnome or not! So listen when you pass my house in the future please just avert your eyes and keep right on going. And one last thing... please tell your wife that Omar the tent maker is having a sale on Moomoos this week!"

And that is the reason so many of us choose deed restricted areas to buy.
Only some people like confrontation. You may call and report someone's statue of President Bush if that is not the kind of thing you enjoy. No one will know unless you email. So don't email, just call.

Or not.

But that is something very positive to have, Deed restrictions. Because good taste isn't universal. Nor is the courage to confront someone....

Believe in DEED RESTRICTIONS..., without them this place would look VERY DIFFERENT in about a month.

njbchbum 05-09-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1058023)
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Believe in DEED RESTRICTIONS..., without them this place would look slummy in about a month.

Hmmmmm.....'slummy'? Alas and alack! Another dispersion cast on the historic neighborhoods which clearly demonstrate their individuality, personal character, and most of all - a sense of humor! Nothing cookie cutter about us! :)

graciegirl 05-09-2015 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1058034)
Hmmmmm.....'slummy'? Alas and alack! Another dispersion cast on the historic neighborhoods which clearly demonstrate their individuality, personal character, and most of all - a sense of humor! Nothing cookie cutter about us! :)


njbchbum, no dispersion meant to be cast on the historic neighborhoods. We have choices here in The Villages and I choose the area with the stricter deed restrictions.

And I applaud the individuality, personal character and sense of humor of all villagers.

CFrance 05-09-2015 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1057998)
Here's a nearby place that doesn't worry about these things. Vote with your wallet.

Lake Weir Preserve - Lake Weir Preserve

HOA (Home-Owner Association) fees & restrictions, and CDD or bond fees are not part of the active adult lifestyle at Lake Weir Preserve

Isn't that the same thing as saying If you don't like it, move?

I was just about to comment that this and the bus parking have both been debated with civility. I hope they won't turn nasty.

MoeVonB61 05-09-2015 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by drcar (Post 1056236)
I want to thank the individual, or individuals who must have issues with the home owners in the village of Tamarind Grove. A complaint was filed with “Deed Compliance” concerning “Lawn Ornaments”, 97 separate complaints! The complaints range from “Decorative flags” to statues! Before everyone jumps on me, I understand the rules, BUT 97 complaints! I have been informed that this person or persons have also gone into St James and Buttonwood! This is NOT a small issue this is a personal vendetta. When does this stop? Do we really need this type of reporting, people in the neighbors have had no issues, but a person who outside the village can travel anywhere and file complaints?

I would be sure to get a background check done of this person. I would fear that their mental health is severely unstable..................who would spend the little time they have left on this is INSANE......MENTALLY ILL.....why does she or he not CHOOSE to go to a soup kitchen or volunteer for Habitat for Humanity instead....do some volunteer work for a local church???SICK, SICK SICK....:ohdear:

Bonny 05-09-2015 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by drcar (Post 1057905)
Let me try and bring this back to the original issue. One item is a violation. Anyone can file a compliant. No one can defend by stating the value, the beauty or the number. The posters are correct, the deed states no lawn ornaments. Now drive around, of course you see them. My issues is with a person on a personal mission, turning in hundreds of people. The person does not live in my village. Yes they have the right, but wow, what a power trip. Heck the person does not even need to live in the villages. The other issue in the compliance people are telling different people different rules. The other funny issue is that as they are talking to reported homeowners, they do no address homeowners who have ornaments but no one reported them. The system is not working!

The system is working. My neighborhood follows the rules & looks great. It doesn't matter if someone turns in 1 or 97, if they are violations, they are violations. Doesn't matter what Village you live in, you are free to call about those that aren't following the rules within the Villages.

Bonny 05-09-2015 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1057947)
If home owners haven't been reported, isn't that because neighbors find their ornaments acceptable and tasteful?
And therefore, isn't the System working as it should?

It only means the ornaments aren't bad enough to call. If it's not really an eyesore, some people may not notice it. However, I had a neighbor that put a golf bag out and put a big bunch of plastic flowers in it and put it in their flower bed. I think not.

Bonny 05-09-2015 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lafoto (Post 1058009)
I think the system is broken. I think instead of having to report someone for the heinous crime of placing a small ceramic statue in their garden, the person who is offended by said statue should have to confront the classless buffoon face to face. I can imagine the conversation would go like this, " Hi Johnny I am your neighbor 5 doors down the block and I drive down the street everyday and I am appalled at your lack of taste and class with your choice of lawn decoration! Get rid of that lawn gnome right now!" Johnny might reply with," Oh its nice to meet you! I have seen you and your lovely wife riding down the street with your gnome documentation equipment. That is you right? You have that neon pink cart with all the little fuzzy dice hanging from roof. I love those floral Moo Moos your wife wears and those clown sunglasses are just priceless! Well listen about my yard gnome....I am retired and I just dont give a sh-- any more. I moved down here to Americas friendliest hometown so that I can spend what time i have left on this planet just relaxing. I have lots of friends here who dont care how much money I have, or what kind of car I drive, and they certainly dont care if I have a lawn gnome or not! So listen when you pass my house in the future please just avert your eyes and keep right on going. And one last thing... please tell your wife that Omar the tent maker is having a sale on Moomoos this week!"

Really ?? You want to compare someone size to lawn ornaments that may affect home resale ! :ohdear: Deed restrictions are a rule that people agreed to.

graciegirl 05-09-2015 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1058034)
Hmmmmm.....'slummy'? Alas and alack! Another dispersion cast on the historic neighborhoods which clearly demonstrate their individuality, personal character, and most of all - a sense of humor! Nothing cookie cutter about us! :)

I am very sorry Maria. Slummy was a terrible word and I regret using it.

I hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings. Two people who I care very much about live in the historical section and although I have never been to either of their homes it wouldn't matter to me what they looked like. or if they had fourteen bend over ladies in their yard. It wouldn't matter to me if they decided to wear a Mohawk and gain four hundred pounds and become a ...well maybe not THAT..

But two dear people I may have insulted and I am sorry. And anyone else that I hurt with my callous remark, I apologize to. So sorry. My aim was not that at all.. Lafoto? You and I can't see eye to eye. Because most people DO give a sh*t.

And keeping our property nice is important. It affects other people. not just us.

njbchbum 05-09-2015 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1058077)
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But two dear people I may have insulted and I am sorry. And anyone else that I hurt with my callous remark, I apologize to. So sorry. My aim was not that at all.. Lafoto? You and I can't see eye to eye. Because most people DO give a sh*t.

And caring that we keep things nice is important. It affects other people.

Fear not! Did not take your post personally - just had ta poke atcha. Know you too well and know that 'slummy' was a knee-jerk reaction. I often refer to our villages as just a bit out of the ordinary! :)

rockyisle 05-09-2015 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lafoto (Post 1058009)
I think the system is broken. I think instead of having to report someone for the heinous crime of placing a small ceramic statue in their garden, the person who is offended by said statue should have to confront the classless buffoon face to face. I can imagine the conversation would go like this, " Hi Johnny I am your neighbor 5 doors down the block and I drive down the street everyday and I am appalled at your lack of taste and class with your choice of lawn decoration! Get rid of that lawn gnome right now!" Johnny might reply with," Oh its nice to meet you! I have seen you and your lovely wife riding down the street with your gnome documentation equipment. That is you right? You have that neon pink cart with all the little fuzzy dice hanging from roof. I love those floral Moo Moos your wife wears and those clown sunglasses are just priceless! Well listen about my yard gnome....I am retired and I just dont give a sh-- any more. I moved down here to Americas friendliest hometown so that I can spend what time i have left on this planet just relaxing. I have lots of friends here who dont care how much money I have, or what kind of car I drive, and they certainly dont care if I have a lawn gnome or not! So listen when you pass my house in the future please just avert your eyes and keep right on going. And one last thing... please tell your wife that Omar the tent maker is having a sale on Moomoos this week!"

Lafoto - Not sure why you have resorted to insulting the people who you call your neighbors in this "friendliest town"... but you seem to be missing the point of the original posts and responses. When you purchased your home, if it was in the newer districts, there were very specific conditions for how your house and property would look. Are you aware that if your weeds get out of control, you will be cited? It's in the agreement you signed and said you would abide by. Taking your analogy, then I should be pulling people over who are driving unsafely on the highway and place them in a citizen's arrest rather than calling 911 for help? I should be confronting the shoplifter in a store rather than calling security?

If I wanted to take my chances on the neighbors to the left and right of me, I'd have purchased a home in Summerfield or Fruitland Park. I didn't. I purchased a home and live by the rules I agreed to follow.

I would say to those who violate these rules, put a for sale sign up on your house and move out of The Villages and into the Wilds....

bagboy 05-09-2015 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lafoto (Post 1058009)
I think the system is broken. I think instead of having to report someone for the heinous crime of placing a small ceramic statue in their garden, the person who is offended by said statue should have to confront the classless buffoon face to face. I can imagine the conversation would go like this, " Hi Johnny I am your neighbor 5 doors down the block and I drive down the street everyday and I am appalled at your lack of taste and class with your choice of lawn decoration! Get rid of that lawn gnome right now!" Johnny might reply with," Oh its nice to meet you! I have seen you and your lovely wife riding down the street with your gnome documentation equipment. That is you right? You have that neon pink cart with all the little fuzzy dice hanging from roof. I love those floral Moo Moos your wife wears and those clown sunglasses are just priceless! Well listen about my yard gnome....I am retired and I just dont give a sh-- any more. I moved down here to Americas friendliest hometown so that I can spend what time i have left on this planet just relaxing. I have lots of friends here who dont care how much money I have, or what kind of car I drive, and they certainly dont care if I have a lawn gnome or not! So listen when you pass my house in the future please just avert your eyes and keep right on going. And one last thing... please tell your wife that Omar the tent maker is having a sale on Moomoos this week!"


That must have taken quite some time to think that through, the again...maybe not.

Suzi 05-09-2015 06:42 PM

Before I moved into my new home in TV, I was warned that there were people from anywhere in TV, who would ride around and file complaints against anything that appeared to them to be in violation of deed restrictions. Well, I was pretty scared when Direct TV came to install the "dish". I must have asked him 10 times if the location would be OK. I spent countless nights worrying that I could be a violator.
To play the devils advocate, I see many homes with flower pots that I would consider distasteful; I see flower beds that look unkept; I see lawn furniture on porches that don't match at all or have seen better days; I see garage doors open and the insides are a mess. These ARE NOT infractions of the deed regulations but they can be unsightly and legal.
I think there is something grossly wrong with people from a different village/neighborhood making complaints about another persons property in another area. I may like the bronze bird in my neighbors front yard. I may like my other neighbors gazing ball. Since I am the one who looks at it every day, what right should someone from another village tell ME what I can look at. If I DISLIKED it, I would understand my or my neighbors complaint.
I like the deed restrictions, but I think this particular area should be reconsidered. It is plane wrong for people to ride around playing "deed" police.

Bonny 05-09-2015 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Suzi (Post 1058110)
Before I moved into my new home in TV, I was warned that there were people from anywhere in TV, who would ride around and file complaints against anything that appeared to them to be in violation of deed restrictions. Well, I was pretty scared when Direct TV came to install the "dish". I must have asked him 10 times if the location would be OK. I spent countless nights worrying that I could be a violator.
To play the devils advocate, I see many homes with flower pots that I would consider distasteful; I see flower beds that look unkept; I see lawn furniture on porches that don't match at all or have seen better days; I see garage doors open and the insides are a mess. These ARE NOT infractions of the deed regulations but they can be unsightly and legal.
I think there is something grossly wrong with people from a different village/neighborhood making complaints about another persons property in another area. I may like the bronze bird in my neighbors front yard. I may like my other neighbors gazing ball. Since I am the one who looks at it every day, what right should someone from another village tell ME what I can look at. If I DISLIKED it, I would understand my or my neighbors complaint.
I like the deed restrictions, but I think this particular area should be reconsidered. It is plane wrong for people to ride around playing "deed" police.

I certainly wouldn't go all around the Villages looking for people to call on. However, what goes on in all of the Villages can affect all of our property values, not just that street.

Villageswimmer 05-09-2015 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mrich61 (Post 1058047)
I would be sure to get a background check done of this person. I would fear that their mental health is severely unstable..................who would spend the little time they have left on this is INSANE......MENTALLY ILL.....why does she or he not CHOOSE to go to a soup kitchen or volunteer for Habitat for Humanity instead....do some volunteer work for a local church???SICK, SICK SICK....:ohdear:


Rather dramatic, no?

Bonny 05-09-2015 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mrich61 (Post 1058047)
I would be sure to get a background check done of this person. I would fear that their mental health is severely unstable..................who would spend the little time they have left on this is INSANE......MENTALLY ILL.....why does she or he not CHOOSE to go to a soup kitchen or volunteer for Habitat for Humanity instead....do some volunteer work for a local church???SICK, SICK SICK....:ohdear:

Wow, this is quite post !! :shocked:

asianthree 05-09-2015 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lafoto (Post 1058009)
i think the system is broken. I think instead of having to report someone for the heinous crime of placing a small ceramic statue in their garden, the person who is offended by said statue should have to confront the classless buffoon face to face. I can imagine the conversation would go like this, " hi johnny i am your neighbor 5 doors down the block and i drive down the street everyday and i am appalled at your lack of taste and class with your choice of lawn decoration! Get rid of that lawn gnome right now!" johnny might reply with," oh its nice to meet you! I have seen you and your lovely wife riding down the street with your gnome documentation equipment. That is you right? You have that neon pink cart with all the little fuzzy dice hanging from roof. I love those floral moo moos your wife wears and those clown sunglasses are just priceless! Well listen about my yard gnome....i am retired and i just dont give a sh-- any more. I moved down here to americas friendliest hometown so that i can spend what time i have left on this planet just relaxing. I have lots of friends here who dont care how much money i have, or what kind of car i drive, and they certainly dont care if i have a lawn gnome or not! So listen when you pass my house in the future please just avert your eyes and keep right on going. And one last thing... Please tell your wife that omar the tent maker is having a sale on moomoos this week!"

wow

missypie 05-09-2015 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lafoto (Post 1058009)
I think the system is broken. I think instead of having to report someone for the heinous crime of placing a small ceramic statue in their garden, the person who is offended by said statue should have to confront the classless buffoon face to face. I can imagine the conversation would go like this, " Hi Johnny I am your neighbor 5 doors down the block and I drive down the street everyday and I am appalled at your lack of taste and class with your choice of lawn decoration! Get rid of that lawn gnome right now!" Johnny might reply with," Oh its nice to meet you! I have seen you and your lovely wife riding down the street with your gnome documentation equipment. That is you right? You have that neon pink cart with all the little fuzzy dice hanging from roof. I love those floral Moo Moos your wife wears and those clown sunglasses are just priceless! Well listen about my yard gnome....I am retired and I just dont give a sh-- any more. I moved down here to Americas friendliest hometown so that I can spend what time i have left on this planet just relaxing. I have lots of friends here who dont care how much money I have, or what kind of car I drive, and they certainly dont care if I have a lawn gnome or not! So listen when you pass my house in the future please just avert your eyes and keep right on going. And one last thing... please tell your wife that Omar the tent maker is having a sale on Moomoos this week!"

This is so funny. LMAO!

DonH57 05-09-2015 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lafoto (Post 1058009)
I think the system is broken. I think instead of having to report someone for the heinous crime of placing a small ceramic statue in their garden, the person who is offended by said statue should have to confront the classless buffoon face to face. I can imagine the conversation would go like this, " Hi Johnny I am your neighbor 5 doors down the block and I drive down the street everyday and I am appalled at your lack of taste and class with your choice of lawn decoration! Get rid of that lawn gnome right now!" Johnny might reply with," Oh its nice to meet you! I have seen you and your lovely wife riding down the street with your gnome documentation equipment. That is you right? You have that neon pink cart with all the little fuzzy dice hanging from roof. I love those floral Moo Moos your wife wears and those clown sunglasses are just priceless! Well listen about my yard gnome....I am retired and I just dont give a sh-- any more. I moved down here to Americas friendliest hometown so that I can spend what time i have left on this planet just relaxing. I have lots of friends here who dont care how much money I have, or what kind of car I drive, and they certainly dont care if I have a lawn gnome or not! So listen when you pass my house in the future please just avert your eyes and keep right on going. And one last thing... please tell your wife that Omar the tent maker is having a sale on Moomoos this week!"

Well. I think that have been a little rough way of putting it but it could happen. Under an non anonymous system if Tormented Tom from district nine confronted Happy Harry in district two about his pink flamingos and garden gnome I'm thinking the result will be Tormented Tom making an unexpected trip to the hospital emergency room. Tormented Tom will really have no grounds to press charges.:duck:

perrjojo 05-09-2015 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1058034)
Hmmmmm.....'slummy'? Alas and alack! Another dispersion cast on the historic neighborhoods which clearly demonstrate their individuality, personal character, and most of all - a sense of humor! Nothing cookie cutter about us! :)

I didn't see the Historic side mentioned. Why are you assuming the slummy comment was directed at any particular area in TV?
Just curious.

njbchbum 05-09-2015 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1058180)
I didn't see the Historic side mentioned. Why are you assuming the slummy comment was directed at any particular area in TV?
Just curious.

perrjojo - 1,449 posts and a member since Jan 2010 and you have not read the variety of historic side dispersions oft cast by various posters? Self-deprecating humor perhaps? And perhaps you did not read my follow-up to graciegirl where I explained I was poking her. Chill.

asianthree 05-10-2015 05:44 AM

Since the historic district does not have to fear the gnome police, there is no fear of you being called out. But let's be honest in every neighborhood there is that yard that looks like walmart garden shop vomited on it. We had that person two doors down. Nope did not address the problem with her, or make an officall complaint . We just moved, it was easier, than upsetting some of the neighborhood, since it would have been a hot topic.

dirtbanker 05-10-2015 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1058180)
I didn't see the Historic side mentioned. Why are you assuming the slummy comment was directed at any particular area in TV?
Just curious.

Your right, Gracie did not direct the comment towards the historic side. But she did say "Believe in DEED RESTRICTIONS..., without them this place would look slummy in about a month." and hence (because there a little deed restrictions over there) the historic district defense mechanism was activated.

Villager Joyce 05-10-2015 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1058181)
perrjojo - 1,449 posts and a member since Jan 2010 and you have not read the variety of historic side dispersions oft cast by various posters?

///nevermind

manaboutown 05-10-2015 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lafoto (Post 1058009)
I think the system is broken. I think instead of having to report someone for the heinous crime of placing a small ceramic statue in their garden, the person who is offended by said statue should have to confront the classless buffoon face to face. I can imagine the conversation would go like this, " Hi Johnny I am your neighbor 5 doors down the block and I drive down the street everyday and I am appalled at your lack of taste and class with your choice of lawn decoration! Get rid of that lawn gnome right now!" Johnny might reply with," Oh its nice to meet you! I have seen you and your lovely wife riding down the street with your gnome documentation equipment. That is you right? You have that neon pink cart with all the little fuzzy dice hanging from roof. I love those floral Moo Moos your wife wears and those clown sunglasses are just priceless! Well listen about my yard gnome....I am retired and I just dont give a sh-- any more. I moved down here to Americas friendliest hometown so that I can spend what time i have left on this planet just relaxing. I have lots of friends here who dont care how much money I have, or what kind of car I drive, and they certainly dont care if I have a lawn gnome or not! So listen when you pass my house in the future please just avert your eyes and keep right on going. And one last thing... please tell your wife that Omar the tent maker is having a sale on Moomoos this week!"

I thoroughly enjoyed the humor in this post. Thank you! The imagery it invoked put a big smile on my face although I almost spilled my morning coffee on my keyboard!

BTW, I do know an Omar. He is a rather large guy who does great drywall repair. I do not know if he makes muumuus on the side.

Woodartist 05-10-2015 09:19 AM

A middle ground
 
It seems that there is no way to reach a happy median between the "everything goes" and the get rid of it all" residents. Perhaps there is a solution that will make both camps equally unhappy and therefore equitable. As the past chairman of the Nassau County Code Enforcement Board (Just north east of Jacksonville), I have a bit of experience in this type of "cat fight". When I took the chairmanship of the board residents where able to file complaints with out giving their name. In short we had our "97" type complainers.
When we forced the complainant to give their name the complaints dropped dramatically. The property owners that were cited were then given a period to correct the infraction or request to appear before the enforcement board. This board was made up of seven county residents and the county attorney. Both sides were given an opportunity to be heard and photos were shown of the alleged infraction. In short we could decide neighbor to neighbor where the 8" statue should be considered offensive or decorative and in good taste. Individuals that were cited were allowed to bring others to testify in their behalf, in short neighbors who had no objections to the alleged infraction.

I realize that it would take a bit of work to set up a system such as this but considering the time spent here on this subject......

Woodartist 05-10-2015 09:20 AM

It seems that there is no way to reach a happy median between the "everything goes" and the get rid of it all" residents. Perhaps there is a solution that will make both camps equally unhappy and therefore equitable. As the past chairman of the Nassau County Code Enforcement Board (Just north east of Jacksonville), I have a bit of experience in this type of "cat fight". When I took the chairmanship of the board residents where able to file complaints with out giving their name. In short we had our "97" type complainers.
When we forced the complainant to give their name the complaints dropped dramatically. The property owners that were cited were then given a period to correct the infraction or request to appear before the enforcement board. This board was made up of seven county residents and the county attorney. Both sides were given an opportunity to be heard and photos were shown of the alleged infraction. In short we could decide neighbor to neighbor where the 8" statue should be considered offensive or decorative and in good taste. Individuals that were cited were allowed to bring others to testify in their behalf, in short neighbors who had no objections to the alleged infraction.

I realize that it would take a bit of work to set up a system such as this but considering the time spent here on this subject......

KeepingItReal 05-10-2015 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Beck (Post 1058326)
It seems that there is no way to reach a happy median between the "everything goes" and the get rid of it all" residents. Perhaps there is a solution that will make both camps equally unhappy and therefore equitable. As the past chairman of the Nassau County Code Enforcement Board (Just north east of Jacksonville), I have a bit of experience in this type of "cat fight". When I took the chairmanship of the board residents where able to file complaints with out giving their name. In short we had our "97" type complainers.
When we forced the complainant to give their name the complaints dropped dramatically. The property owners that were cited were then given a period to correct the infraction or request to appear before the enforcement board. This board was made up of seven county residents and the county attorney. Both sides were given an opportunity to be heard and photos were shown of the alleged infraction. In short we could decide neighbor to neighbor where the 8" statue should be considered offensive or decorative and in good taste. Individuals that were cited were allowed to bring others to testify in their behalf, in short neighbors who had no objections to the alleged infraction.

I realize that it would take a bit of work to set up a system such as this but considering the time spent here on this subject......


Maybe everyone should just go back and actually read their deed restrictions they have already agreed to and then go by what they say.....then there will be no disagreements. :jester:

Polar Bear 05-10-2015 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Beck (Post 1058326)
It seems that there is no way to reach a happy median...

Not sure why that is necessary...rules are already in place.

graciegirl 05-10-2015 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Beck (Post 1058326)
It seems that there is no way to reach a happy median between the "everything goes" and the get rid of it all" residents. Perhaps there is a solution that will make both camps equally unhappy and therefore equitable. As the past chairman of the Nassau County Code Enforcement Board (Just north east of Jacksonville), I have a bit of experience in this type of "cat fight". When I took the chairmanship of the board residents where able to file complaints with out giving their name. In short we had our "97" type complainers.
When we forced the complainant to give their name the complaints dropped dramatically. The property owners that were cited were then given a period to correct the infraction or request to appear before the enforcement board. This board was made up of seven county residents and the county attorney. Both sides were given an opportunity to be heard and photos were shown of the alleged infraction. In short we could decide neighbor to neighbor where the 8" statue should be considered offensive or decorative and in good taste. Individuals that were cited were allowed to bring others to testify in their behalf, in short neighbors who had no objections to the alleged infraction.

I realize that it would take a bit of work to set up a system such as this but considering the time spent here on this subject......

Welcome to the forum. The deed restrictions are very clear here. And if someone complains. the restrictions will be enforced. And if the offending item is not removed or moved the homeowner will be fined and if the fine is not paid further action is forthcoming. All that horsing around described above just isn't something I would want. In fact that description is the very reason I fear the Morses not running this place and the homeowners taking over. .

Horrors.

Woodartist 05-10-2015 05:46 PM

Front flag poles
 
Are the US Flags on poles in front an exception?? or just protected from the "condo nazis" by the second admendment?

JohnN 05-10-2015 05:50 PM

really sucks. nice job, deed compliance folks

Barefoot 05-10-2015 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 1058488)
Maybe everyone should just go back and actually read their deed restrictions they have already agreed to and then go by what they say.....then there will be no disagreements. :jester:

I think everyone agrees that we have stringent deed restrictions, at least in the newer areas.
I think the conflict is about whether we have a "duty" to complain about any and all infractions.
Or we if should refrain from complaining unless we are truly offended.

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1058213)
But let's be honest in every neighborhood there is that yard that looks like walmart garden shop vomited on it.

:shocked: OK, that's sounds awful. IMHO, it would be grounds for a call to Deed Compliance.

Challenger 05-10-2015 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Beck (Post 1058326)
It seems that there is no way to reach a happy median between the "everything goes" and the get rid of it all" residents. Perhaps there is a solution that will make both camps equally unhappy and therefore equitable. As the past chairman of the Nassau County Code Enforcement Board (Just north east of Jacksonville), I have a bit of experience in this type of "cat fight". When I took the chairmanship of the board residents where able to file complaints with out giving their name. In short we had our "97" type complainers.
When we forced the complainant to give their name the complaints dropped dramatically. The property owners that were cited were then given a period to correct the infraction or request to appear before the enforcement board. This board was made up of seven county residents and the county attorney. Both sides were given an opportunity to be heard and photos were shown of the alleged infraction. In short we could decide neighbor to neighbor where the 8" statue should be considered offensive or decorative and in good taste. Individuals that were cited were allowed to bring others to testify in their behalf, in short neighbors who had no objections to the alleged infraction.

I realize that it would take a bit of work to set up a system such as this but considering the time spent here on this subject......

Code enforcement and covenant enforcement are entirely different. Covenants are contractual agreements between the parties subject to the contract and as such anyone subject can bring action. Depending upon the provisions of the covenant, either a supermajority or all must agree to a modification. An 8" infraction is equal in substance to a three foot infracrion The testimony would be to the question " Is there an infraction or not" ?

ProximaMan 05-10-2015 06:24 PM

Oh my. Oh my. We have a village full of 97 scofflaws, and the developer drops the hammer. Somebody should stifle that mean developer.

Imagine. Enforcing deed restrictions.

Oh dear, I bet somebody here probably signed restrictions that only apply to everybody else.

Yeah. That's it.

DonH57 05-10-2015 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Beck (Post 1058534)
Are the US Flags on poles in front an exception?? or just protected from the "condo nazis" by the second admendment?

I know they are all over in our district. I don't believe a flag pole could be considered a lawn ornament unless you use it for uses otherwise intended. On our street there about 7 where our house is. When the developement first sold out the neighbors all helped each other place and set the poles. One was a former VCDD member and former marine. When we moved in the rope was missing . There was no shortage of help available when I repaired it and hoist ed our flag.


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