[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

mike - you live in caroline - when was the last time you were in any of the impacted areas BEFORE this issue arose? cathyw and i have each provided you reference to the deed restrictions that DO permit the signage in question - why can you not accept that it is there and that the developer is attempting to take it away?

the villages IS a collection of separate districts - thus, we have separate governing bodies! they share their unity in their sense of commUNITY!

in the original historic district there are other deed violation infractions besides for sale signs - and ya know what - the neighbors there DON'T have a problem with it!

The fact that mike lives in caroline has nothing to do with his interest, and he stated the reasons why.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by cathyw

Here it is for Rio Grande <( page 17 )
http://www.districtgov.org/images/De...o%20Grande.pdf

AGAIN, if the deed rectrictions were in place and everyone signed on , there would be NO iSSUE. The ISSUE is the fact that people signed deed restrictions 12 to 20 years ago, and now they MAY be changed,
If you live south if 466 , this issue does not affect you. The rules SOUTH of 466 will remain the same.

The deed restrictions you linked to are for Villas, only. I specifically excluded villas in prior posts. I did not see any indication that the developer was attempting to change the restrictions for villas.Please point me to wording that indicates such. I would side with villa homeowners were that to be tried. My concern is for the decision to not enforce the existing restrictions on other homes (not villas).

[graciegirl]

I have great confidence that the developer is going to make the right choices for the greater good of all. Maybe it is because he will make more money and maybe because this place is his creation and he lives here too.

I don't have the same confidence that an elected homeowner is going to make the right decision for the greater good.

I like the CDD form of government in this case. I wonder just how it got changed north of 466? I wonder if it was caused by the lawsuit brought by the group of villagers including lawyers who won it and won several million dollars personally as a result of it.

I have never got it straight that the suit was brought to widen the cartpaths and because there was mold in one of the rec centers. The developer has painted the Odell rec center that was behind my house in Hadley completely in and out every year for the four years I lived there. The pool was immaculate. If a tree died at the Odell rec center, it was replaced. The planting beds were hand weeded. I see no evidence that he needed to be sued. Where I lived south of 466 was not involved in the lawsuit.

I am very confused by the undercurrents I feel against the developer and I suspect that it is class envy. Or perhaps it has to do with his contributions to his political party.

He had done nothing but take care of things nicely during the four and a half years I have owned property here.

Both new houses, anything that wasn't correct was immediately fixed.

I don't know who he is or what is on his mind but he seems to do the job for us.

We voted with our wallets to live here. Like others our home is the biggest financial outlay we have ever made.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Didn't the recent legislation passed by the Florida legislature say that the deed restrictions have to be complaint driven? If so, it appears the developer doesn't have a stack of complaints.

He doesn't need to collect a stack of complaints, he can complain or find an interested party who resides in that district who will file a complaint and/or lawsuit.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

RedChariot, the vote only effects the area where signs have been allowed anyway. This just says keep doing what you've been doing.

Please show me where the deed restrictions have been amended for non-villa homes in Lady Lake. I am well aware of the distinction between villas and other homes as far as signage is concerned.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

mike - you live in caroline - when was the last time you were in any of the impacted areas BEFORE this issue arose? cathyw and i have each provided you reference to the deed restrictions that DO permit the signage in question - why can you not accept that it is there and that the developer is attempting to take it away?

the villages IS a collection of separate districts - thus, we have separate governing bodies! they share their unity in their sense of commUNITY!

in the original historic district there are other deed violation infractions besides for sale signs - and ya know what - the neighbors there DON'T have a problem with it!

I care because I live in this entire community. I travel through it daily to play golf, go to rec centers, shop, and dine. As I responded to CathyW, the amended deeds link affected only villas. You state the developer is trying to take away something that is allowed. I have yet to see anything that states he is trying to enforce sign restrictions on villas. I would support the villa homeowners in that fight.

Yes, we have separate districts, but we all live in the whole community. I can recreate at any facility within TV no matter where I actually reside. If the governing CDD boards can ignore existing deed restrictions, can they also decide that the executive courses in their district, maintained by the amenity fees from their homeowners, are now restricted to residents of that district only? Where does it end?

Your last paragraph only makes my point. It cannot be "Whatever you want!" What will you do when someone put up something you don't like? What about those that bought because of the restrictions? Tough luck?

[cathyw]

Originally Posted by mikeod

I care because I live in this entire community. I travel through it daily to play golf, go to rec centers, shop, and dine. As I responded to CathyW, the amended deeds link affected only villas. You state the developer is trying to take away something that is allowed. I have yet to see anything that states he is trying to enforce sign restrictions on villas. I would support the villa homeowners in that fight.

Yes, we have separate districts, but we all live in the whole community. I can recreate at any facility within TV no matter where I actually reside. If the governing CDD boards can ignore existing deed restrictions, can they also decide that the executive courses in their district, maintained by the amenity fees from their homeowners, are now restricted to residents of that district only? Where does it end?

Your last paragraph only makes my point. It cannot be "Whatever you want!" What will you do when someone put up something you don't like? What about those that bought because of the restrictions? Tough luck?

Let's see who will be at the CDD meeting to show the support of their viewpoints ...that is the only way to really state your position.
Many people have a lot to say on TOTV but they do not go any further than that. Come to the meeting and state your points. Thanks

[Roaddog53]

"I am very confused by the undercurrents I feel against the developer and I suspect that it is class envy. Or perhaps it has to do with his contributions to his political party.
He had done nothing but take care of things nicely during the four and a half years I have owned property here.Both new houses, anything that wasn't correct was immediately fixed. I don't know who he is or what is on his mind but he seems to do the job for us.We voted with our wallets to live here. Like others our home is the biggest financial outlay we have ever made. "
I have to 100% agree with GG on this one! It appears to be some kind of undercurrent here in many of the threads against the Morse Family. Sounds like envy, jealousy, political affiliation or whatever. They have done nothing I see but provide a value or service to others as in ANY good business. Now that DOESN'T mean that I agree with the way some of their sub-businesses operate or even some of their arrogance, but it goes with their success. Who can fault success.
There is nothing stopping any of you from starting a business or a similar "Villages" somewhere else. If you make it, good for you, other will than be jeolous of you and complain about what YOU do or don't do for them. If you don't make it, you can see what they had to go through to get where they are than! AND.. you can sleep at night maybe too.

[cathyw]

Once again, the thread has gotten hijacked.
Is this thread about " signs" not "love of developer".
I have absolutely nothing bad to say about the developer, but I do have an opinion about the "signs Issue"
Let's keep it to the issue. Thanks

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by cathyw

Let's see who will be at the CDD meeting to show the support of their viewpoints ...that is the only way to really state your position.
Many people have a lot to say on TOTV but they do not go any further than that. Come to the meeting and state your points. Thanks

Cathy - I will not be at the meetings because I do not reside in those districts, as you know. While I have strong opinions on this matter (no surprise, huh?) they are more global and I would not expect to be allowed to speak before that board as a non-resident of that district. My participation in this discussion is to present an alternative point of view, present some potential pitfalls should the restrictions be ignored, correct some apparent inaccuracies, and, most importantly, stimulate some critical thought on the matter.

[cathyw]

Do you have any opinion as to why CDD's 6 thru 10 are NOT having meetings to discuss this issue ??? I do. ......It's because it doesn't affect these CDD's

[batman911]

I could live with a small (maybe 3" X 10") sign attached to the front yard lamp post just like the residents name signs. Another option would be to have a map at the mail boxes with home that are for sale marked so any prospective buyer could take a look and drive to see any they would be interested in.

[cathyw]

Thanks for thinking of alternative solutions !
I always LOVE when people think "outside the box"

Good post !

[Wiserbud47]

For sale signs should NOT be allowed on the lawns in The Villages! We have to stand up for what we believe in. If someone threatens a lawsuit, then we will have to fight for what is in the best interest of The Villages.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Wiserbud47

For sale signs should NOT be allowed on the lawns in The Villages! We have to stand up for what we believe in. If someone threatens a lawsuit, then we will have to fight for what is in the best interest of The Villages.

should the developer be allowed to take away a permitted practice you have enjoyed for 20+ years? what will you fight for re that issue?

and since when can one not fight for what is good for oneself?

and if one is fighting for something that has no impact on "we" why are "we" in the fight?