[Bogie Shooter]

Not sure why someone who does not live in Lake County cannot have an opinion about signs?

[Mama C]

I moved to TV because of the restrctions-keeps things nice and clean and orderly!

[bob47]

It seems to me that if Jennifer Parr and the rest of the developer's family feel so passionately about not having "For Sale" signs in front of homes, they could have followed this policy back in August of 2001 when we bought our resale home that had a sign in the front yard proudly displayed by Properties Of The Villages.

And they could have followed it in 2002, 2003, 2004, - - - 2011. A lot of folks think that forcing code enforcement now is just an angle to put outside realtors and residents who try to sell on their own at a disadvantage. I think they're right.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by cathyw

Once again, the thread has gotten hijacked.
Is this thread about " signs" not "love of developer".
I have absolutely nothing bad to say about the developer, but I do have an opinion about the "signs Issue"
Let's keep it to the issue. Thanks

Cathy. People blame the developer for the new attitude toward signs. There have been posts on this thread along those lines. That post was my response.

I'd choose the developer and what ever he decided over decisions by an elected homeowner. I have been in too many organizations that this whim, or that looney idea or someones dear project got used and the rest of us had to suffer. I LIKE the CDD form of goverment here. It works very well.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

should the developer be allowed to take away a permitted practice you have enjoyed for 20+ years? what will you fight for re that issue?

and since when can one not fight for what is good for oneself?

and if one is fighting for something that has no impact on "we" why are "we" in the fight?

PLEASE show me where in the deed for your district it says signs other than the homeowner's name are permitted on non-villa properties OR show me where the developer has indicated his intent to initiate sign restrictions on villa properties and I will understand your displeasure.

You cannot claim that establishing a precedent of ignoring deed restrictions should be of no concern to me. It already has affected those north of 466 and there is no reason that residents and outside agencies pushing for this will not continue the fight to overcome existing deed restrictions once those districts south of 466 are turned over to resident boards.

[cathyw]

Thank You !!!

[cathyw]

Gracie...here's a link to the letter of intent that started this whole issue. According to Janet Tutt,at the CDD workshop,this was released by her office , IN ERROR.
But it did put the ball in motion.

http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...%20Letters.pdf

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

should the developer be allowed to take away a permitted practice you have enjoyed for 20+ years? what will you fight for re that issue?

and since when can one not fight for what is good for oneself?

and if one is fighting for something that has no impact on "we" why are "we" in the fight?

Originally Posted by mikeod

PLEASE show me where in the deed for your district it says signs other than the homeowner's name are permitted on non-villa properties OR show me where the developer has indicated his intent to initiate sign restrictions on villa properties and I will understand your displeasure.

You cannot claim that establishing a precedent of ignoring deed restrictions should be of no concern to me. It already has affected those north of 466 and there is no reason that residents and outside agencies pushing for this will not continue the fight to overcome existing deed restrictions once those districts south of 466 are turned over to resident boards.

my post was not specific to signs but it was to deed restrictions. it is a generic question re deed restrictions.

and since infractions of deed restrictions are dealt with on a complaint basis - enforcement of same should be left to the individual offender AND to their supervisors who are responsible for enforcement.

if an area has been granted the duty and responsibility to govern itself and thus enforce - and has chosen to not enforce a deed restriction - where does someone from outside that area have the right/authority to interfere with the area's governing practices? call it self-rule, home rule, autonomy - it is the business of the community.

do you want someone from the village of liberty park or silver lake or sanibel telling the supervising body of the village of caroline how to run things there?

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by cathyw

Gracie...here's a link to the letter of intent that started this whole issue. According to Janet Tutt,at the CDD workshop,this was released by her office , IN ERROR.
But it did put the ball in motion.

http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...%20Letters.pdf

I read both letters. The first one, to me, indicates the developer has determined to not enforce section.2.21 of the deed for Orange Blossom Gardens Units 1,2,3, which prohibits "For Sale signs of any type" on the lot or home. The second paragraph spells out the parameters of the sign allowed and restricts the sign to an indoor position in a window. This the same restriction that exists in all other deeds (except villas).

The second letter reiterates the restriction for all "residential" lots in districts 1-10. I can see where this could create the impression that it includes villa lots which would amount to removing the permission spelled out in the deed for villa properties to have an external For Sale sign. I expect that there is a distinction between "residential" lots and villa lots. On the district website, when you look for your deed restrictions by district, the lots are separated into two columns, Residential Units and Villas. The deeds under Residential Units contain the signage restriction, those under Villas do not.

[chuckinca]

I don't believe that Orange Blossom Gardens 1 - 3 are in Districts 1 - 10 which probably necessitated the second letter. They are in the Town of Lady Lake.




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[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

my post was not specific to signs but it was to deed restrictions. it is a generic question re deed restrictions.

and since infractions of deed restrictions are dealt with on a complaint basis - enforcement of same should be left to the individual offender AND to their supervisors who are responsible for enforcement.

if an area has been granted the duty and responsibility to govern itself and thus enforce - and has chosen to not enforce a deed restriction - where does someone from outside that area have the right/authority to interfere with the area's governing practices? call it self-rule, home rule, autonomy - it is the business of the community.

do you want someone from the village of liberty park or silver lake or sanibel telling the supervising body of the village of caroline how to run things there?

Again, my concern is with the decision to not enforce an existing deed restriction and the precedent it sets. First, the absence of complaints does not, in itself, mean everyone in the district agrees with not enforcing the restriction. Should the board have conducted a survey/vote to get the actual opinion of the residents? What about residents who bought because of the restrictions in the deed. Ignore them, too? Second, as stated previously, what other restriction is next to be ignored or not enforced? And what prevents that philosophy from being adopted by future boards without resident input since the precedent has been set. Does not enforcing the restriction mean that if someone in the district complains, their complaint will be ignored? After all, the district has chosen to not enforce it. To me, it is a very slippery slope.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by chuckinca

I don't believe that Orange Blossom Gardens 1 - 3 are in Districts 1 - 10 which probably necessitated the second letter. They are in the Town of Lady Lake.




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On the district website, Orange Blossom Gardens Units 1,2,3 are listed in District 1 under the Lady Lake Section.

[njbchbum]

mikeod - you wrote:

First, the absence of complaints does not, in itself, mean everyone in the district agrees with not enforcing the restriction.
- but it does mean that no one in the district is concerned enough to make it an issue
Should the board have conducted a survey/vote to get the actual opinion of the residents?
- we don't know that they did not - they may have done a random sampling by phone and/or by asking residents in person; they were each elected to their positions, so they must know a lot of people they could ask
What about residents who bought because of the restrictions in the deed. Ignore them, too?
- is that not part of doing due diligence before one buys a property
Second, as stated previously, what other restriction is next to be ignored or not enforced?
- lawn ornaments, parking, noise after 10pm, yard maintenance by absent owners and yard sale signs
And what prevents that philosophy from being adopted by future boards without resident input since the precedent has been set.
- that ASSumes there was no resident input; and in these particular areas my ASSumption is that there has been lots of input over the course of 20+ years
Does not enforcing the restriction mean that if someone in the district complains, their complaint will be ignored? After all, the district has chosen to not enforce it. To me, it is a very slippery slope.
- that's a fair concern

my bigger concern is where does the developer come off enforcing something he should not be enforcing because he gave that responsibility to enforce to a board of supervisors. in my book he has forfeited his responsibility to even be involved in enforcement activity much less enforce deed restrictions. perhaps future villages areas can act to "protect" themselves by forfeiting their anticipated right to govern themselves and remain under the governance of the developer?

[chuckinca]

Originally Posted by mikeod

On the district website, Orange Blossom Gardens Units 1,2,3 are listed in District 1 under the Lady Lake Section.

According to the Districts map, Villages in Lake County are not in a number district:

http://www.districtgov.org/yourdistr...es%20North.pdf

[PaPaLarry]

If I post a 12x12 sign in window, can I have flashing neon lights around it to attract buyers???? Just ask'n!!