[PennBF]

Of course a couple of CDD's are waiting..They are waiting until after the elections. I would seriously doubt they don't have an opinion yet..They have had a great deal of time to understand the issues. If they vote to allow the signs they may anger a lot of residents and if they vote to not allow signs they will have allegedly violated their commitment to adhere to the developer's and Village Managements directions. Lets wait and see what happens AFTER THE ELECTIONS.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by Freedomtalks

Gail Lazenby, Supervisor for District 3, said it best, "For the past 20 years signs were allowed because it was in the Developer's Best Interestto allow signs and not stop them from being used." And now it is not, so........ you can draw your own conclusion. What I don't understand is we have somewhat set our standards over the last 20 years. The VCDD has been allowing For Sale and For Rent signs but they have also been forcing residents to remove "Don't Poop On My Lawn" or " Curb your Dog" signs all along. If a complaint is received they have gone to homes that had had some construction and is now completed and told the owner to remove the sign.

Now all of a sudden we are not allowed to go back to that. WHY???? Is it because it is just a way for VCDD to once again try and intimidate us into voting the way they want you to vote, for the Developer. I think that what the AAC and the Districts are doing right now is absolutely the best thing for the people of TV. They are not "Drinking the Kool-Aide" that is being spooned fed down their throats by the VCDD staff and they are making up their own mind. Don't get me wrong What the Developer has created is great, but he took all of the advantages of creating the VCDD Districts and made a lot of money from them, us and now he has to accept the other side of our self governing, as it should be.

What the Daily "My Name is Morse and I Approve This Message" Sun did not print is the 2nd
message that Ms. Parr delivered. And in part it was........"What are you all going to do when I am not here anymore to deal with these problems. My children are working in the business some but we won't be around forever so what are you going to do when we're gone?" ARE YOU KIDDING ME. What a slap in the face to all of those who serve on the AAC and the District Boards. I bet they didn't realize that they didn't have the brains to figure all of this out. Well, they do and by voting how they have they are showing that we can govern ourselves.

The bottom line is not "rights being stolen from The Villagers", IMHO, but maintaining the Villages atmosphere and beauty. The people spreading the hysteria about eliminating real estate for rent or sale signs off the lawns and putting them in the windows are primarily outside real estate agents, flippers and landlords.

The footing is not unequal for outside real estate agents; organize, pony up the money to collectively publish a weekly magazine/brochure with all of your listings and keep it updated. Place these in the stores on perimeters of The Villages or your offices. More importantly, get one major website for all outside realtors of The Villages listings and keep it updated daily. Yes, this will require spending some of the nice profits independent realtors make from home selling. But I can understand why Mr. Morse is not anxious to have outside realtors riding on his coattails since he is the one who has willing spent HIS money to build The Villages. This doesn't mean a realtor can't have a successful business here, they just have to spend some of their profits too. Anyone who knows anything about real estate is aware a sign in the front yard of a property is the cheapest advertising a realtor can use, never mind what the neighbors think. If homes are selling south of 466A without signs in the yard, they will sell in other areas of The Villages using the same method. The Villages Real Estate teams have to employ the same method of signage and there is no advantage to them in that area.

I'm not interested in supporting rental businesses or flippers in The Villages but they can employ the same methods for advertising. This is the year 2012 and if you aren't using the internet for your business adventures, you're missing the boat. The younger, computer savvy crowd is the generation now perusing the "for sale" websites when looking for property in The Villages. A sign may also be used in the window.

For the people renting out their private home or selling their own home, get a good sign in the window and use the great "for sale or rent" by owner websites and place an ad in the Daily Sun. We sold our first home in The Villages without a realtor or yard sign and had great success employing the above mentioned techniques. (We did put a sign in a window.) We have sold 6 homes over the years and not one was because of a yard sign. The homes sold through advertising in the newspaper and internet, the same methods we used to find the next home.

We also had the luxury of witnessing a former neighbor endlessly tie balloons to a light post at the entrance of our neighborhood and on his yard sign, "house for sale". He seldom took down the balloons, even when they were half or completely deflated, leaving a real eyesore in the neighborhood. Only took him two years to sell with that sales method, I would like to see open houses limited to 4 days per week, per home.

We aren't losing all of our freedoms because signs must now be posted in a window; super cheap advertising may over for outside realtors, professional renters and flippers but homes can still be easily sold and lots of money made without yard signs. I don't live north of 466 but I have a dog in this fight, that may be the area of our next move.

[bkcunningham1]

Peachie, do you live in TV now? Your last sentence confused me. Would you mind clarifying?

You said, "I don't live north of 466a but I have a dog in this fight, that may be the area of our next move."

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Peachie, do you live in TV now? Your last sentence confused me. Would you mind clarifying?

You said, "I don't live north of 466a but I have a dog in this fight, that may be the area of our next move."

BK, we're south of 466 at this time but are considering north of 466 if we downsize again. (I removed the "a", should be 466 in the original post.)

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by Freedomtalks

I think that what the AAC and the Districts are doing right now is absolutely the best thing for the people of TV.

I bet they didn't realize that they didn't have the brains to figure all of this out. Well, they do and by voting how they have they are showing that we can govern ourselves.

That is where we will differ. Just because Florida law was changed to allow CDDs to determine how/if they will enforce deed restrictions doesn't mean they should pick and choose what to enforce. I think the AAC and Districts 1 & 4 decisions show incredible shortsightedness. Despite the warning that their approval would open the door to any and all signs, they succumbed to hysteria about rights being taken away. Since this all began less than two months ago, it would seem prudent to take some time and study the issue to evaluate the effects of enforcing the deed restriction vs. not enforcing it. Instead, it appears to me that, except for Districts 2 & 3, these boards have made a knee jerk reaction to the situation. And that substantiates, in my mind, Ms. Parr's concern about the residents governing themselves.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

This, quoted above, is the wisdom that matters.

And here is another perspective:

Virtually ALL homes south of 466 sold as RE-SALES have been sold and bought without a sign in the yard. IF it is so "difficult" and "uncompetitive" to market a home in The Villages without a sign in the yard, then how in the heck did all these hundreds/thousands of re-sale homes south of 466 get SOLD by both TV and MLS agents and homeowners themselves?????

How? In many cases at a higher cost in time and money. I'm Just speaking for those who may wish to put out their own sign.

[bkcunningham1]

I have bought and sold houses in TV. I have always used a realtor with each and every one of my business transactions. My realtor advertises in the Daily Sun, maintains a website and publishes a magazine that the Daily Sun
prints and circulates.

I've even used a realtor with TV. I currently own three houses in TV and I'm paying amenities fees on on all three. Of the houses I own, I live in one - and if the good Lord is willing - I will die living in this house. I love it. Another house we bought for my father-in-law. The third house I'm trying to sell.

In addition to paying the amenities fees, I keep the lawns and homes maintained impeccable. The houses I've bought and flipped have been remodeled and made to look completely new again. What I've done has improved, not only the houses, but the immediate neighborhood and TV as a whole. I've put money back into the area. I have a big vested interest in the area.

For the life of me, I can't understand why you or anyone else would have a problem with me selling houses in TV. Would you mind explaining that to me please?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Jennifer Parr, daughter of the developer and vice president of The Villages Home Sales has made a rare if ever speech to the Amenity Authority Committee regarding the issue of signs and it was quoted in the newspaper today.

Would any of you off campus like for me to type it here for you to read?

Jennifer Parr made an excellent argument in favor of maintaining restrictions but of course it was only one (biased) side of the story. Of course it was persuasive, that's what they call salesmanship.

Who will present the other side of the story and have it published in the Daily Sun? Anyone? Would the Daily Sun allow it? I kind of doubt it. I haven't made up my mind so I would like to see an "official" presentation for the other side.

[Bogie Shooter]

The signs stop at County Road 466. Good!

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I have bought and sold houses in TV. I have always used a realtor with each and every one of my business transactions. My realtor advertises in the Daily Sun, maintains a website and publishes a magazine that the Daily Sun
prints and circulates.

I've even used a realtor with TV. I currently own three houses in TV and I'm paying amenities fees on on all three. Of the houses I own, I live in one - and if the good Lord is willing - I will die living in this house. I love it. Another house we bought for my father-in-law. The third house I'm trying to sell.

In addition to paying the amenities fees, I keep the lawns and homes maintained impeccable. The houses I've bought and flipped have been remodeled and made to look completely new again. What I've done has improved, not only the houses, but the immediate neighborhood and TV as a whole. I've put money back into the area. I have a big vested interest in the area.

For the life of me, I can't understand why you or anyone else would have a problem with me selling houses in TV. Would you mind explaining that to me please?

BK, I think you may be addressing me... but I don't have a problem with you selling houses in The Villages. I have a problem with yard signage because it clearly is a cheap tool for realtors and is an eyesore for most people and houses may be sold just as easily through other other, less intrusive techniques.

I'm not interested in "professional" renters because this is my home. I don't want the house next to me being moved in and out of constantly and the traffic that goes with the rental. I think that's a pretty human feeling. We want neighbors. Flipping is not my cup of tea either since it usually means making pretty and no substantial repairs to the structure, ie: wiring, roofing, plumbing and so forth. You are probably the exception but most flippers rule of thumb is cheapest effort in to get the biggest bang out. I'd like to see homes sold on their merit and repairs and enhancement completed by the proud new owner. That's my feeling only and doesn't make flipping right or wrong and that's why I stated there are methods for selling those homes too.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Jennifer Parr made an excellent argument in favor of maintaining restrictions but of course it was only one (biased) side of the story. Of course it was persuasive, that's what they call salesmanship.

Who will present the other side of the story and have it published in the Daily Sun? Anyone? Would the Daily Sun allow it? I kind of doubt it. I haven't made up my mind so I would like to see an "official" presentation for the other side.

If you read the posts above from realtors, FSBO people, and income property owners you will hear the other side of the story.

The fact is that people bought into this development where restrictions are in place to prohibit those signs (except in villa neighborhoods) and signed their acceptance of these restrictions. Now they don't like it and want the restriction ignored without consideration for those who bought here because there were restrictions to ensure consistency throughout TV.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Of course a couple of CDD's are waiting..They are waiting until after the elections. I would seriously doubt they don't have an opinion yet..They have had a great deal of time to understand the issues. If they vote to allow the signs they may anger a lot of residents and if they vote to not allow signs they will have allegedly violated their commitment to adhere to the developer's and Village Managements directions. Lets wait and see what happens AFTER THE ELECTIONS.

what election? the post indicated re the cdd supvs - "They will wait and review the developers WRITTEN proposal." how many incomplete documents/contracts do YOU sign/accept?

[bkcunningham1]

Things change and evolve, mikeod. I do get your point about restrictions, but there are mechanisms to change these restrictions and that is what is happening. Just like in today's Daily Sun, there is a small story about the change in deed restrictions for villa homeowners that allows a mechanism for them to paint their driveways.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Freedomtalks

What the Daily "My Name is Morse and I Approve This Message" Sun did not print.

It is worth noting that RE/Max had a 10 page insert in today's Daily Sun....hardly stonewalling the competition.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

It is worth noting that RE/Max had a 10 page insert in today's Daily Sun....hardly stonewalling the competition.

Re/Max, Realty Executives and other locally owned realty companies pay to have inserts printed and distributed by the Daily Sun each week. Not only that, these same realtors pay to have classified ads in the same newspaper daily.