[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Peachie

BK, I think you may be addressing me... but I don't have a problem with you selling houses in The Villages. I have a problem with yard signage because it clearly is a cheap tool for realtors and is an eyesore for most people and houses may be sold just as easily through other other, less intrusive techniques.

I'm not interested in "professional" renters because this is my home. I don't want the house next to me being moved in and out of constantly and the traffic that goes with the rental. I think that's a pretty human feeling. We want neighbors. Flipping is not my cup of tea either since it usually means making pretty and no substantial repairs to the structure, ie: wiring, roofing, plumbing and so forth. You are probably the exception but most flippers rule of thumb is cheapest effort in to get the biggest bang out. I'd like to see homes sold on their merit and repairs and enhancement completed by the proud new owner. That's my feeling only and doesn't make flipping right or wrong and that's why I stated there are methods for selling those homes too.

If you feel so strongly about "professional" renters, why did you locate in an area that allows rentals for as short as one week at a time? A number of mobile home parks and condo developments in Florida require a three month minimum on rentals.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Re/Max, Realty Executives and other locally owned realty companies pay to have inserts printed and distributed by the Daily Sun each week. Not only that, these same realtors pay to have classified ads in the same newspaper daily.

Thats the way it works.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by mikeod

If you read the posts above from realtors, FSBO people, and income property owners you will hear the other side of the story.

The fact is that people bought into this development where restrictions are in place to prohibit those signs (except in villa neighborhoods) and signed their acceptance of these restrictions. Now they don't like it and want the restriction ignored without consideration for those who bought here because there were restrictions to ensure consistency throughout TV.

That sums it up rather well.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by janmcn

If you feel so strongly about "professional" renters, why did you locate in an area that allows rentals for as short as one week at a time? A number of mobile home parks and condo developments in Florida require a three month minimum on rentals.

I didn't say I feel "strongly" about professional renters, that's your term. I said I didn't care for the business rentals, not everyone likes living next to the Holiday Inn for their own reasons. We could have rented our last Villages home out rather than selling but in deference to our wonderful neighbors, we did not. It would be interesting to know how many landlords have their home in the middle of their two rentals, I have great respect for those who do. We can accept things in life but we don't have to embrace them, right?

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by OldManTime

From what I'm seeing most residents are obiding by the new sign regulation, the only ones not following the restriction is the Villages Real Estate people, they still put open house signs in the yards, signs that should be in the windows, are on the outside of the house, they are most likely the last to comply. I personally think the restriction is a good Idea.

So, when an outside realtor conducts an open house, they are not allowed to put up any flags or signs or other indications of the open house in the yard? Is that true? Not challenging, just asking. I have opined that if the developer follows the same rules on signs, he has no advantage in restricting them. If, OTOH, he does not follow the rules in the deed restrictions, he is wrong.

[Posh 08]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Jennifer Parr, daughter of the developer and vice president of The Villages Home Sales has made a rare if ever speech to the Amenity Authority Committee regarding the issue of signs and it was quoted in the newspaper today.

Would any of you off campus like for me to type it here for you to read?

Send it to FB for me please GG. The Mods can't touch us. Teeheeheee. I'd love to read about it. Thank you.

[njbchbum]

peachie - your post # 123 certainly presents a good case - for the developer. please allow me to present some counter points...

you posted, "The people spreading the hysteria about eliminating real estate for rent or sale signs off the lawns and putting them in the windows are primarily outside real estate agents, flippers and landlords." do you have factual statistics on that statement? if not, on what is it based?...observation, conversation, ASSumption?

"Place these [magazine/brochure] in the stores on perimeters of The Villages" - in my opinion, that is a decidedly unequal advantage since some house hunting folks have no opportunity to frequent stores on the perimeter of the village - those without transportation and/or time come to mind - like the lifestylers.

"...get one major website for all outside realtors of The Villages listings and keep it updated daily." - most mls realtors already have their personal sites which advertise mls listings of their own and others - that's why they are in the mls business! there is no need for a mega site and the expense/maintenance of same - it is redundancy.

"...they just have to spend some of their profits too." - very presumptive of you to ASSume that mls realtors do not spend some of their profits! in fact - they all spend exhorbitant amounts to place ads/inserts in the daily sun!

"...a sign in the front yard of a property is the cheapest advertising a realtor can use,..." - so what - it IS another advtg resource for the seller, TOO. is it not?

"The Villages Real Estate teams have to employ the same method of signage and there is no advantage to them in that area." - everyone knows the villages has a sales office - not everyone looking for a home in the villages is aware that you need an mls realtor to view non-village realty listings...check posts on totv and see how many posters were surprised to find that out! without an mls realtor sign in someone's yard, someone looking to purchase a home might not make the inquiry re mls realtors...a decided advantage to the villages realty sales.

"...get a good sign in the window..." - please put that 12" x 12" sign in one of your house windows......be sure to include a realtor business name, name of the salesperson and a telephone number...and then go stand in the middle of the street and let me know how much info you can discern on that sign and then try reading it while driving by it! and advtg in the daily sun again benefits the developer, a sign in the yard does not.

"He seldom took down the balloons, even when they were half or completely deflated, leaving a real eyesore in the neighborhood." - and i ASSume the ballons remained there because a neighbor did not speak to the seller about taking them down - much less take them down for him and the benefit of the neighborhood.

" I don't live north of 466 but I have a dog in this fight, that may be the area of our next move." - i think that statement pretty much takes your dog out of this fight since you are not a resident of the area and are not represented by any supervisor there. no matter how the residents ask their supvs to vote, you will have the option to move in the future to an area being fully aware of the deed restrictions at the time of your move. if you don't like the enforcement in the area - you don't have to move there. right?

[Hank N Judy]

The only person I see that would benefit from signs on the lawn are the people putting them there - realtor,Joe the plumber or who ever. Its free advertizing for their business.
If someone is looking to buy in tv, they would already know to look at the windows.
THE ONLY THING THAT SIGNS DO IS TRASH UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEVALUE PROPERTYS.
Thats my 2 cents

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by mikeod

So, when an outside realtor conducts an open house, they are not allowed to put up any flags or signs or other indications of the open house in the yard? Is that true? Not challenging, just asking. I have opined that if the developer follows the same rules on signs, he has no advantage in restricting them. If, OTOH, he does not follow the rules in the deed restrictions, he is wrong.

mikeod - i have seen villages open houses display those 8' tall skinny flags on the property of their open houses and have not seen mls realtors use same...not that they couldn't i suppose. i have seen mls realtors use a small open house sign mounted atop the realty sign to announce their open houses. i guess, if the flag will be a permitted use, the mls folks will have to go out and invest in some for their offices!

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by hank & judy

The only person I see that would benefit from signs on the lawn are the people putting them there - realtor,Joe the plumber or who ever. Its free advertizing for their business.
If someone is looking to buy in tv, they would already know to look at the windows.
THE ONLY THING THAT SIGNS DO IS TRASH UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEVALUE PROPERTYS.
Thats my 2 cents

How would people know to look at the windows when for sale and for rent signs have been allowed for the past 40 years? Some style homes, say patio villas, have only one front window which is inside the screened lanai, very difficult to see from the street.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by hank & judy

The only person I see that would benefit from signs on the lawn are the people putting them there - realtor,Joe the plumber or who ever. Its free advertizing for their business.
If someone is looking to buy in tv, they would already know to look at the windows.
THE ONLY THING THAT SIGNS DO IS TRASH UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEVALUE PROPERTYS.
Thats my 2 cents

as i suggested to peachie, do a search on totv and you will apparently be quite surprised by the number of house hunters who were not even aware that villages realty will not and cannot sell an mls listing and vice versa...much less that they should be looking for a sign in a window some where that announces a house for sale!


ps - my home has lost no value in the four years we have owned it - despite the for sale signs on the street during that time. some were even home made fsbo signs - not well done! so that shoots your theory...or was it just your opinion?

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

peachie - your post # 123 certainly presents a good case - for the developer. please allow me to present some counter points...

you posted, "The people spreading the hysteria about eliminating real estate for rent or sale signs off the lawns and putting them in the windows are primarily outside real estate agents, flippers and landlords." do you have factual statistics on that statement? if not, on what is it based?...observation, conversation, ASSumption?


You mean rummage sale sign and garage sale sign hangers should have been included?


"Place these [magazine/brochure] in the stores on perimeters of The Villages" - in my opinion, that is a decidedly unequal advantage since some house hunting folks have no opportunity to frequent stores on the perimeter of the village - those without transportation and/or time come to mind - like the lifestylers.

If they have no transportation, how would they get through all the neighborhoods to see "for sale" signs posted in every yard, walk?

"...get one major website for all outside realtors of The Villages listings and keep it updated daily." - most mls realtors already have their personal sites which advertise mls listings of their own and others - that's why they are in the mls business! there is no need for a mega site and the expense/maintenance of same - it is redundancy.

Exactly, why don't the realtors combine their efforts and present the one collective website link to prospective buyers, I think that's how The Villages does it. Village sales people also run their own ads, it appears.

"...they just have to spend some of their profits too." - very presumptive of you to ASSume that mls realtors do not spend some of their profits! in fact - they all spend exhorbitant amounts to place ads/inserts in the daily sun!

How much is an exhorbitant amount on one ad? I think you are assuming that almost every sale in The Villages is from all those signs in the front yard, I disagree. Do you have statistics to show us?

"...a sign in the front yard of a property is the cheapest advertising a realtor can use,..." - so what - it IS another advtg resource for the seller, TOO. is it not?

Homes south of 466 are sold without the real estate signs, why does the area north of 466 need to advertise outside real estate agents if homes will sell without the signs?

"The Villages Real Estate teams have to employ the same method of signage and there is no advantage to them in that area." - everyone knows the villages has a sales office - not everyone looking for a home in the villages is aware that you need an mls realtor to view non-village realty listings...check posts on totv and see how many posters were surprised to find that out! without an mls realtor sign in someone's yard, someone looking to purchase a home might not make the inquiry re mls realtors...a decided advantage to the villages realty sales.

It does surprise me that people haven't visited here, checked out the area, asked questions, or have a computer and just happen to walk up to The Villages Sales office and offer to buy a home. But I really don't see how putting a "for sale" sign in the YARD will make that specific point to perspective purchasers. How does it happen south of 466?


"...get a good sign in the window..." - please put that 12" x 12" sign in one of your house windows......be sure to include a realtor business name, name of the salesperson and a telephone number...and then go stand in the middle of the street and let me know how much info you can discern on that sign and then try reading it while driving by it! and advtg in the daily sun again benefits the developer, a sign in the yard does not.

We did sell a house here in The Villages and used that technique, it worked. If sign size is an issue, how about working for a larger window sign maximum... say a 12" x 16" limit.

"He seldom took down the balloons, even when they were half or completely deflated, leaving a real eyesore in the neighborhood." - and i ASSume the ballons remained there because a neighbor did not speak to the seller about taking them down - much less take them down for him and the benefit of the neighborhood.

So you would give permission to anyone not approving of the signage to take it upon themselves to remove and dispose of said signage. Some realtors may be missing their signs.....

" I don't live north of 466 but I have a dog in this fight, that may be the area of our next move." - i think that statement pretty much takes your dog out of this fight since you are not a resident of the area and are not represented by any supervisor there. no matter how the residents ask their supvs to vote, you will have the option to move in the future to an area being fully aware of the deed restrictions at the time of your move. if you don't like the enforcement in the area - you don't have to move there. right?

The area mentioned is part and parcel of The Villages and it does matter to everyone if all signage is allowed. If this system works extremely well south of 466, one has to believe it will work north of 466. You have been very tenacious in your efforts to protect signage rights. That is your perogative but please note that I addressed your questions as posed and never was uncivil, we disagree but I never attempted to use ASS when addressing you.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Peachie

The area mentioned is part and parcel of The Villages and it does matter to everyone if all signage is allowed. If this system works extremely well south of 466, one has to believe it will work north of 466. You have been very tenacious in your efforts to protect signage rights. That is your perogative but please note that I addressed your questions as posed and never was uncivil, we disagree but I never attempted to use ASS when addressing you.

guess you missed the point - sorry.

[Bogie Shooter]

Many of the posts on this thread supporting having signs, imply that home buyers are really stupid and don't know about local newspapers, Internet web sites by brokers, web sites by FSBO and flyers/advertisements piled up at supermarkets, restaurants, etc.
That just doesn't make sense...............of course what does about this sign issue.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Peachie

The area mentioned is part and parcel of The Villages and it does matter to everyone if all signage is allowed. snipped

the cdds of concern each have their responsibility for self-governance and not the governance/interference of the developer...that responsibility and authority was given to them by the developer years ago...thus they are conducting their own votes re signage enforcement and all will have to abide by same.