[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Advogado

No. My posts in this thread reflect my experience in conducting criminal investigations and putting bad guys in prison.

To assume that there are only four suspects with no proof is not part of a criminal investigation.

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

To assume that there are only four suspects with no proof is not part of a criminal investigation.

To assume anything else in this case is ridiculous. Have you even gone out to look at the crime scene? I have. There are only four logical suspects.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Advogado

To assume anything else in this case is ridiculous. Have you even gone out to look at the crime scene? I have. There are only four logical suspects.

I'm not assuming anything. You are. To assume there are only four suspects is what's ridiculous.

[wisphil]

When I read of crimes solved with a discovered human hair, or a match head or a vague tire track, I am befuddled by the inability to get anywhere with the abundance of evidence that must have been left behind by a tree cutting crew, their equipment, witnesses, etc. Apparently, it was "The perfect crime".

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I still maintain there is room for other than the obvious conclusions expressed!
What if none of the residents were responsible/involved?

How would another perpetrator gain access to the district property behind these homes without crossing private property? Is there a public path anywhere along the street back to the lake? Is the district owned property fronting the lake marked 'no trespassing'?

If someone cut down these trees for nefarious purposes, other than to improve their view of the lake, sooner or later they might try to finish those nefarious intentions.

Meanwhile, Southwest Florida Water Management will be monitoring this area for the next five years, as part of the penalty paid by the district, for any signs of tampering.

[graciegirl]

sound of chainsaw felling a tree - Bing Videos

sound of leaf blower audio - Bing Videos

[Cedwards38]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I still maintain there is room for other than the obvious conclusions expressed!
What if none of the residents were responsible/involved?

Maybe, but what could have been the motive?

[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

sound of chainsaw felling a tree - Bing Videos

sound of leaf blower audio - Bing Videos

The trees involved were massive old oaks. They are not just felled, they have to be cut from the top down. First the top greenery and then the branches, one by one, and then the last piece to come down is the stripped trunk. This tree cutting would have taken all day, maybe more than one day, so if you heard a leaf blower going for 12 hours I think you could tell that something was happening other than blowing leaves!

Of course, TV knows who had this work done.

[graciegirl]

QUOTE=Madelaine Amee;1092085
Of course, TV knows who had this work done



Why do you say that? What would make them cover it up? How could the District get anything out of this to benefit them? I just don't understand. WHAT am I missing???????????

Someone said that the tree cutting deal would make The Villages look bad. I say, big whoopin' deal. Sex on the Square makes The Villages look bad. People who don't live here, don't care if people cut down trees. It's not shocking, hardly interesting. If I read that a man from Reynoldsburg, Ohio cut down trees in the middle of their town square, I wouldn't turn up the TV and huddle close. It just isn't news worthy.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

...Of course, TV knows who had this work done.

"Of course"?

What seems obvious to you is not so obvious to everybody.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

QUOTE=Madelaine Amee;1092085
Of course, TV knows who had this work done



Why do you say that? What would make them cover it up? How could the District get anything out of this to benefit them? I just don't understand. WHAT am I missing???????????

Someone said that the tree cutting deal would make The Villages look bad. I say, big whoopin' deal. Sex on the Square makes The Villages look bad. People who don't live here, don't care if people cut down trees. It's not shocking, hardly interesting. If I read that a man from Reynoldsburg, Ohio cut down trees in the middle of their town square, I wouldn't turn up the TV and huddle close. It just isn't news worthy.

Sex on the square is something TV can't do anything about. This is different. Considering how closely information about anything is held by TV, to me it is logical that for such a small sum (to them, and especially because they won't have to pay that sum), they would rather not have any publicity at all. I think they would want to control any little damage they could. It's just good business practice.

But to me, I would think that the damage is already done, and they would be better off having the responsible parties right the wrong so they could "show the world" that they are conscientiously trying to protect the environment. Especially with such a black mark as the hunting debacle on their record. And the fact that they chopped down every single healthy live oak on the Pine Ridge property a la 1970s-style development practices. And the poor publicity they brought down on themselves with their enigmatic behavior over the "Berlin Wall" saga, for whatever reason. So is there something else about this that we're not aware of that's making them want to drop the matter?

There are two ways to go with this; bury it or bring it to light and take credit for correcting it. I would hope they choose the latter, but it doesn't look like they have.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Sex on the square is something TV can't do anything about. This is different. Considering how closely information about anything is held by TV, to me it is logical that for such a small sum (to them, and especially because they won't have to pay that sum), they would rather not have any publicity at all. I think they would want to control any little damage they could. It's just good business practice.

But to me, I would think that the damage is already done, and they would be better off having the responsible parties right the wrong so they could "show the world" that they are conscientiously trying to protect the environment. Especially with such a black mark as the hunting debacle on their record. And the fact that they chopped down every single healthy live oak on the Pine Ridge property a la 1970s-style development practices. And the poor publicity they brought down on themselves with their enigmatic behavior over the "Berlin Wall" saga, for whatever reason. So is there something else about this that we're not aware of that's making them want to drop the matter?

There are two ways to go with this; bury it or bring it to light and take credit for correcting it. I would hope they choose the latter, but it doesn't look like they have.

That doesn't seem plausible. Hiding something scintillating might be plausible, but tree cutting isn't even...interesting to most people. There are a lot of hunters who don't look at that as a black mark, and many meat eaters don't look down on hunting........... and most people support the keeping out of outside golf carts. It is clear to me they acted when they did to shut the Northern borders when they were negotiating about the Southern borders, that is the reason for the abrupt closure of the wall with no explanation. You don't show your hand at the table.


I think that most people who live here are not all excited about "protecting the environment" to the point that trees cut down would bother them. It is the MONEY that is bothering them. So far none of these reasons are striking a cord with me.

Someone cut the trees down on Village property and the district got fined by a government environmental agency and told to replant trees. I think the someones are folks whose views would have been improved by the trees being gone, because those someone's either wanted a clear view to enjoy, or a clear view to market their home to sell. I don't think there was a conspiracy, just some danged ballsy people who think they can do whatever they want. I think it was cash and no one can prove WHO exactly hired it done or who did the cutting.

I think if the New York Times had it on their front page that it wouldn't dampen the enthusiasm of anyone who wants to move here.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

That doesn't seem plausible. Hiding something scintillating might be plausible, but tree cutting isn't even...interesting to most people. There are a lot of hunters who don't look at that as a black mark, just people that are animal lovers, and many meat eaters don't look down on hunting........... and most people support the keeping out of outside golf carts. It is clear to me they acted when they did to shut the Northern borders when they were negotiating about the Southern borders, that is the reason for the abrupt closure of the wall with no explanation. You don't show your hand at the table.


I think that most people who live here are not all excited about "protecting the environment" the way the minority of residents feel. Sorry. we aren't allowed to name parties or we get whooped. So far none of these reasons are striking a cord with me.

Someone cut the trees down on Village property and the district got fined by a government environmental agency and told to replant trees. I think the someones are folks whose views would have been improved by the trees being gone, because those someone's either wanted a clear view to enjoy, or a clear view to market their home to sell. I don't think there was a conspiracy, just some danged ballsy people who think they can do whatever they want. I think it was cash and no one can prove WHO exactly hired it done or who did the cutting.

I don't think if the New York Times had it on their front page that it wouldn't dampen the enthusiasm of anyone who wants to move here.

There are a lot of people, pro hunters, who look down on corralling animals inside of fences for the sport of shooting.

I don't believe the Berlin Wall was interesting to many outsiders either, but look at the lengths they went to to obscure their actions, despite the reason people think it happened. Why not just come out and say Look, we had to do this to protect our southern borders. Did they think Fruitland Park was not going to find out about it? They have never said why they did it. Just left it up to speculation and waited everyone out. It is just an example of how they keep everything under wraps. And why, in my opinion, they would want this tree-cutting incident to go away. You asked what you were missing, and I am giving you my idea of what you might be missing.

As to the environment, many people are interested in It's protecting it if they have to foot the bill for people who damage it.

You know about big business, Gracie. They will go to any lengths to keep negative publicity at bay. They don't want their name in the paper unless it's going to shine favorable light upon them.

[Jim Stickel]

I wonder if the authorities issued subpoenas to all the residents along the street whose property was blocked by the now departed trees and asked quite simply "did you have it done or do you have any information about who had it done?" With a felony perjury, obstruction, yada,yada hanging over their head maybe they step forward or maybe not.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by CFrance

...There are two ways to go with this; bury it or bring it to light and take credit for correcting it...

Not at all. There's a third way...just go about the investigation without worrying about negative or positive publicity.