[Challenger]

[QUOTE=Happydaz;1092775]I heard the same thing from a very trusted source who works for the state of Florida in an environmental area position. He said they know who did it. It is just hearsay on my part, but that is what this person told me. I think he also told me that the tree cutters were young men and for some reason this complicated things? (Not sure of this last statement) This person does not live in The Villages and is in contact with state environment workers. I didn't post it before because it is just hearsay, but other posters here are saying the same thing, that some persons in authority know who did it.[/QUOTE

I Heard the same info from a CDD official.

"And the plot thickens"

[Mleeja]

[QUOTE=Challenger;1092806]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

I heard the same thing from a very trusted source who works for the state of Florida in an environmental area position. He said they know who did it. It is just hearsay on my part, but that is what this person told me. I think he also told me that the tree cutters were young men and for some reason this complicated things? (Not sure of this last statement) This person does not live in The Villages and is in contact with state environment workers. I didn't post it before because it is just hearsay, but other posters here are saying the same thing, that some persons in authority know who did it.[/QUOTE

I Heard the same info from a CDD official.

"And the plot thickens"

I heard the same thing from the starter at Lopez...

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Advogado

No one except the 4 homeowners whose view was improved had the motive to spend the significant amount of money it must have cost to have the trees cut down. it is pure fantasy to suggest that anyone else was responsible. Given the will to do so, by taking the types of investigative measures I earlier suggested, it should be possible for the sheriff to make a case against the guilty party(ies).

Incidentally, unlike the posters who have been writing their own law about the issuance of subpoenas and inventing incredible theories about who perpetrators might be, I have been responsible for putting a couple hundred criminals behind bars--so I have had some experience in this area.

I got on mapquest.com, pulled up the 1700 block of Lake Miona Drive. The satellite view showed what appears to be a thickly forested strip immediately behind a handful of homes. The trees are (were?) between them and the lake shore. Although I am not sure if those shown are the grove of trees chopped down, felling a 100' x 300' swath of large oak trees would take significant time, a sizable crew, create a lot of noise and likely cost a few thousand dollars.

Again, I find it a totally "in your face" act, especially the stacking of the logs from the cutting for firewood on a property.

Logic dictates that one or more well connected, powerful folks wanted this to be let go and saw to it that it was.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

I got on mapquest.com, pulled up the 1700 block of Lake Miona Drive. The satellite view showed what appears to be a thickly forested strip immediately behind a handful of homes. The trees are (were?) between them and the lake shore. Although I am not sure if those shown are the grove of trees chopped down, felling a 100' x 300' swath of large oak trees would take significant time, a sizable crew, create a lot of noise and likely cost a few thousand dollars.

Again, I find it a totally "in your face" act, especially the stacking of the logs from the cutting for firewood on a property.

Logic dictates that one or more well connected, powerful folks wanted this to be let go and saw to it that it was.

IMO: this whole idea of stacking firewood is ludicrous. First of all, how many homes in TV have wood-burning fireplaces? Very few.

Second, this wood would be green wood and would need to age (or whatever you call it).

Third, who would want firewood stacked around their home attracting termites? This would be a smorgasbord for bugs.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Advogado

No one except the 4 homeowners whose view was improved had the motive to spend the significant amount of money it must have cost to have the trees cut down. it is pure fantasy to suggest that anyone else was responsible. Given the will to do so, by taking the types of investigative measures I earlier suggested, it should be possible for the sheriff to make a case against the guilty party(ies).

Incidentally, unlike the posters who have been writing their own law about the issuance of subpoenas and inventing incredible theories about who perpetrators might be, I have been responsible for putting a couple hundred criminals behind bars--so I have had some experience in this area.

It is all well and good to quote experience. But that experience does not predispose, unless one has proof, that there MAY be others with motive.

And unless proff in hand it is not fantasy to speculate that there could be somone else.

Hence we have in the courts the much used, abused and hidden behind ....REASONABLE doubt.

Some of us believe this case has been very unusual in how it has/had progressed from discovery to actions taken (and not taken).....far from the norm.....so far.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

I heard the same thing from a very trusted source who works for the state of Florida in an environmental area position. He said they know who did it. It is just hearsay on my part, but that is what this person told me. I think he also told me that the tree cutters were young men and for some reason this complicated things? (Not sure of this last statement) This person does not live in The Villages and is in contact with state environment workers. I didn't post it before because it is just hearsay, but other posters here are saying the same thing, that some persons in authority know who did it.

It's called a rumor....when heard from other sources.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

I got on mapquest.com, pulled up the 1700 block of Lake Miona Drive. The satellite view showed what appears to be a thickly forested strip immediately behind a handful of homes. The trees are (were?) between them and the lake shore. Although I am not sure if those shown are the grove of trees chopped down, felling a 100' x 300' swath of large oak trees would take significant time, a sizable crew, create a lot of noise and likely cost a few thousand dollars.

Again, I find it a totally "in your face" act, especially the stacking of the logs from the cutting for firewood on a property.

Logic dictates that one or more well connected, powerful folks wanted this to be let go and saw to it that it was.

Basing your assumptions on Mapquest? Why not drive by and look?

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Basing your assumptions on Mapquest? Why not drive by and look?

Why not by boat? Probably a better perspective and can be done leisurely.

[handyman]

If someone was found dead in the back yard in question ,would the Sumter county Police department pursue an investigation,or would they just say "not enough evidence" Or should we all be charged with the crime, are some people just above the Law , sure seems like it,I know it is only a dollar or Two to me,but I worked for every Dollar that I have,and I dislike being cheated !

[ricthemic]

Are all thr tree stumps still there? The cost, labor and noise for grinding a stump is more than cutting the tree down. If he stumps are gone I wonder who paid for that.

[Cedwards38]

I can only speak knowledgeably for myself, but I believe a lot of people are like me in that their major frustration with this issue is caused by the fact that we have so little reliable information from so few reliable and official sources. That leads us to some wild speculation. The citizens of The Villages are getting "burned" and we don't know why it has to be that way. If we could just be advised of the status of the investigation and have the obstacles to it's resolution explained, then I think we could at least understand why it is as it is. I understand that not all crimes get solved, but this one seems like an easy one, and apparently experienced investigators who have contributed to this thread agree. I admit that it seems easy to me because there may be information or circumstances of which I am unaware.

VHA and POA, if you're listening, how about focusing one of your monthly meetings on this issue? Invite the Sheriff, District Manager Tutt, members of the various Boards of Supervisors, Chairman Hahnfeldt, a representative from the Developer, residents of the Village in question, a representative from the agency that levied the fine, experienced criminal investigators, or any combination of those or others who might have something significant to contribute to participate in a panel discussion to report to the public and answer questions from the public. I completely understand that, due to the needs of the investigation, lack of credible information, and the desire to avoid liability, they might not be able to answer all questions, but at least telling us that gives us insight, and would make many of us feel better about the way it has been, and is being handled.

Would anyone else like see this happen?

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Cedwards38

I can only speak knowledgeably for myself, but I believe a lot of people are like me in that their major frustration with this issue is caused by the fact that we have so little reliable information from so few reliable and official sources. That leads us to some wild speculation. The citizens of The Villages are getting "burned" and we don't know why it has to be that way. If we could just be advised of the status of the investigation and have the obstacles to it's resolution explained, then I think we could at least understand why it is as it is. I understand that not all crimes get solved, but this one seems like an easy one, and apparently experienced investigators who have contributed to this thread agree. I admit that it seems easy to me because there may be information or circumstances of which I am unaware.

VHA and POA, if you're listening, how about focusing one of your monthly meetings on this issue? Invite the Sheriff, District Manager Tutt, members of the various Boards of Supervisors, Chairman Hahnfeldt, a representative from the Developer, residents of the Village in question, a representative from the agency that levied the fine, experienced criminal investigators, or any combination of those or others who might have something significant to contribute to participate in a panel discussion to report to the public and answer questions from the public. I completely understand that, due to the needs of the investigation, lack of credible information, and the desire to avoid liability, they might not be able to answer all questions, but at least telling us that gives us insight, and would make many of us feel better about the way it has been, and is being handled.

Would anyone else like see this happen?

Unfortunately, that would probably not ever happen. Ms Tutt would never go to a POA meeting under those circumstances, and the VHA would never question what the Developers didn't do. I think you are right that there is something going on behind the scenes, and for that reason I doubt the people you mention would agree to such a meeting.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Cedwards38

I can only speak knowledgeably for myself, but I believe a lot of people are like me in that their major frustration with this issue is caused by the fact that we have so little reliable information from so few reliable and official sources. That leads us to some wild speculation. The citizens of The Villages are getting "burned" and we don't know why it has to be that way. If we could just be advised of the status of the investigation and have the obstacles to it's resolution explained, then I think we could at least understand why it is as it is. I understand that not all crimes get solved, but this one seems like an easy one, and apparently experienced investigators who have contributed to this thread agree. I admit that it seems easy to me because there may be information or circumstances of which I am unaware.

VHA and POA, if you're listening, how about focusing one of your monthly meetings on this issue? Invite the Sheriff, District Manager Tutt, members of the various Boards of Supervisors, Chairman Hahnfeldt, a representative from the Developer, residents of the Village in question, a representative from the agency that levied the fine, experienced criminal investigators, or any combination of those or others who might have something significant to contribute to participate in a panel discussion to report to the public and answer questions from the public. I completely understand that, due to the needs of the investigation, lack of credible information, and the desire to avoid liability, they might not be able to answer all questions, but at least telling us that gives us insight, and would make many of us feel better about the way it has been, and is being handled.

I doubt the VHA would touch this topic with the proverbial ten-foot pole.
I think you should mail your suggestion to the head of the POA.
If anyone would be interested in shedding light on this topic, it would definitely be the POA.

[CWGUY]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I doubt the VHA would touch this topic with the proverbial ten-foot pole.
I think you should mail your suggestion to the head of the POA.
If anyone would be interested in shedding light on this topic, it would definitely be the POA.

Don't you use meters up there?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Cedwards38

I can only speak knowledgeably for myself, but I believe a lot of people are like me in that their major frustration with this issue is caused by the fact that we have so little reliable information from so few reliable and official sources. That leads us to some wild speculation. The citizens of The Villages are getting "burned" and we don't know why it has to be that way. If we could just be advised of the status of the investigation and have the obstacles to it's resolution explained, then I think we could at least understand why it is as it is. I understand that not all crimes get solved, but this one seems like an easy one, and apparently experienced investigators who have contributed to this thread agree. I admit that it seems easy to me because there may be information or circumstances of which I am unaware.

VHA and POA, if you're listening, how about focusing one of your monthly meetings on this issue? Invite the Sheriff, District Manager Tutt, members of the various Boards of Supervisors, Chairman Hahnfeldt, a representative from the Developer, residents of the Village in question, a representative from the agency that levied the fine, experienced criminal investigators, or any combination of those or others who might have something significant to contribute to participate in a panel discussion to report to the public and answer questions from the public. I completely understand that, due to the needs of the investigation, lack of credible information, and the desire to avoid liability, they might not be able to answer all questions, but at least telling us that gives us insight, and would make many of us feel better about the way it has been, and is being handled.

Would anyone else like see this happen?

No.