[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Was it Jeff Gray or someone with his lawsuit happy, YouTube posting group FIRE? He calls himself a 1st Amendment auditor and encourages others to hold the sign and document how local governments react to them standing on public property holding the sign.

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You might be onto something. I doubt if this has anything to do with homeless vets.

[coconutmama]

The “Bubble” does not care for any social problem awareness signage. Reminds me of the guards from Coleman Prison attempting to bring awareness of the over crowded conditions there & being understaffed. The guards were ousted from holding signs from near Magnolia Plaza a few years back

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by coconutmama

The “Bubble” does not care for any social problem awareness signage. Reminds me of the guards from Coleman Prison attempting to bring awareness of the over crowded conditions there & being understaffed. The guards were ousted from holding signs from near Magnolia Plaza a few years back

That looks like a genuine problem. This homeless vets stuff looks more like a schtick. A mode of trolling. There are many ways you can help homeless vets. Homeless Veterans | The American Legion

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

He calls himself a 1st Amendment auditor and encourages others to hold the sign and document how local governments react to them standing on public property holding the sign.

And IMHO God bless them all! Government, at all levels, increasingly violates citizens' Constitutional rights unceasingly. Many cops are totally ignorant on many aspects of the laws they are paid to enforce and frequently violate many rights they have sworn to protect, particularly Constitutional law/rights; others just don't care. Hand them a gun and badge and some quickly become tyrants. And this abuse is increasing at an alarming rate. And NO, I am not anti-cop - I am anti BAD cops. These "auditors" provide VALUABLE education to police departments across the country and do yeoman's work in helping to keep our rights intact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTz1SwRdldw

FredF

[ssutph2324]

This is the Villages video URL everyone is asking for... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xou1Spau5DE


Did some research. Yes, It was Jeff Gray. He's a retired truck driver and vet. He runs a Youtube channel called HonorYourOath. He tests municipalities and city's to make sure your 1st, 4th, and 5th amendment rights are being protected. I watched at least 30 of his vids. He is NEVER rude, unless the police are. He litigates the cities/police who are either ignorant or blatantly violate the amendments with local unconstitutional ordinances. URL of the channel below.

HonorYourOath Civil Rights Investigations - YouTube

This additional vid below will explain his purpose. Also in this vid (at 2:20) is Officer Jake Hillier from the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office greeting and shaking Jeff Gray's hand because he supports what Jeff is doing. I know Officer Hillier personally and he is an incredible person and police officer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr5f4E8l2WU

I'm assuming most of you believe police encounters are positive as I do; even that speeding ticket . But there are still too many government authorities (police or otherwise) who get offended and violent if you simply challenge your detainment verbally. Furthermore, those authorities are often backed by a system that will protect them no matter if it's absolutely clear there corrupt. If you don't think so; watches these vids.

Joffrion Can’t Recall BodyCam Policy - YouTube
Joffrion Can’t Recall Trespass Laws - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y7KgTltTUjc

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ffresh

And IMHO God bless them all! Government, at all levels, increasingly violates citizens' Constitutional rights unceasingly. Many cops are totally ignorant on many aspects of the laws they are paid to enforce and frequently violate many rights they have sworn to protect, particularly Constitutional law/rights; others just don't care. Hand them a gun and badge and some quickly become tyrants. And this abuse is increasing at an alarming rate. And NO, I am not anti-cop - I am anti BAD cops. These "auditors" provide VALUABLE education to police departments across the country and do yeoman's work in helping to keep our rights intact.

FredF

Kind of sounds like a ridiculous way to show abuse of power by cops and insults the homeless. I recall an Orlando teacher who went and lived as a homeless person in various areas of Orange County and put his experiences on Facebook. Some of these homeless were veterans. I found that man's work very worthwhile.

[bilcon]

Originally Posted by billlaur

How can a person be trespassed from the villages for holding a god bless the homeless vets sign. I thought the roads were public and sidewalks are public…Iknow the squares are private property but open to the public.

Probably one of the same guys that stand on the exits of I-75 begging.

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by ssutph2324

This is the Villages video URL everyone is asking for... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xou1Spau5DE


Did some research. Yes, It was Jeff Gray. He's a retired truck driver and vet. He runs a Youtube channel called HonorYourOath. He tests municipalities and city's to make sure your 1st, 4th, and 5th amendment rights are being protected. I watched at least 30 of his vids. He is NEVER rude, unless the police are. He litigates the cities/police who are either ignorant or blatantly violate the amendments with local unconstitutional ordinances. URL of the channel below.

HonorYourOath Civil Rights Investigations - YouTube

This additional vid below will explain his purpose. Also in this vid (at 2:20) is Officer Jake Hillier from the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office greeting and shaking Jeff Gray's hand because he supports what Jeff is doing. I know Officer Hillier personally and he is an incredible person and police officer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr5f4E8l2WU

I'm assuming most of you believe police encounters are positive as I do; even that speeding ticket . But there are still too many government authorities (police or otherwise) who get offended and violent if you simply challenge your detainment verbally. Furthermore, those authorities are often backed by a system that will protect them no matter if it's absolutely clear there corrupt. If you don't think so; watches these vids.

Joffrion Can’t Recall BodyCam Policy - YouTube
Joffrion Can’t Recall Trespass Laws - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y7KgTltTUjc

THANKS for taking the time to compose this very valuable educational post

FredF

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Kind of sounds like a ridiculous way to show abuse of power by cops
I totally disagree and believe it's an excellent way to demonstrate the encounter when it occurs and video document it as well, so we (who choose to view it) can learn from the encounter.

and insults the homeless.
So, you are of the opinion that holding a sign stating "God bless the homeless vets" is insulting to the vets. I can't for the life of me see how you could arrive at that conclusion!

I recall an Orlando teacher who went and lived as a homeless person in various areas of Orange County and put his experiences on Facebook. Some of these homeless were veterans. I found that man's work very worthwhile.

I think you're missing the intent of the auditor's actions.

FredF

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ffresh

I think you're missing the intent of the auditor's actions.

FredF

I believe the intent of the auditor's actions are to drive visitors to his page and money into his pocket.

To the OP: Most of the roads are public/county but the sidewalks are either on private land owned by Sumter Landing CDD (SLCDD) or they are owned by the municipality which is the SLCDD. He wanted to draw attention to himself and provoke the police. He succeeded in that but it seems he didn't do quite enough due diligence.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I believe the intent of the auditor's actions are to drive visitors to his page and money into his pocket.

To the OP: Most of the roads are public/county but the sidewalks are either on private land owned by Sumter Landing CDD (SLCDD) or they are owned by the municipality which is the SLCDD. He wanted to draw attention to himself and provoke the police. He succeeded in that but it seems he didn't do quite enough due diligence.

I suppose the various Florida police departments are becoming more aware of this trolling. Reminds me of the Jackass movies but those were sometimes entertaining.

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I believe the intent of the auditor's actions are to drive visitors to his page and money into his pocket.

To the OP: Most of the roads are public/county but the sidewalks are either on private land owned by Sumter Landing CDD (SLCDD) or they are owned by the municipality which is the SLCDD. He wanted to draw attention to himself and provoke the police. He succeeded in that but it seems he didn't do quite enough due diligence.

You (or I) can believe or assume whatever we wish - it doesn't necessarily make it so. I commented on what I believe the results of these auditors actions might be. I never posited that I knew what their motivations were for their actions. You have, however, done this several times in more than one post. just sayin'

FredF

[Taltarzac725]

Talk of The Villages Florida - View Single Post - Beware of panhandlers Talk of The Villages Florida - View Single Post - Beware of panhandlers


An old post from just about ten years ago.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by TheSerg

All our constitutional rights are under attack, wake up America!

At least you still have Freedom of Speech*, unlike the UK which now jails people for thought crimes and Facebook/Twitter(X) posts.

*For now.....

[Daddymac]

Originally Posted by CarlR33

Other side of the story would help.

The Guy was standing on the corner, up in lake Sumter. NOT IN THE SQUARE.
POLICE showed up because of a phone call from “THE VILLAGES “ asking to Trespass him. The police showed up and told him he is being trespassed.
And if he didn’t leave, he would be arrested. He was polite and so was the police officers. So he moved on. Now here is the problem……
THEY VIOLATED HIS 1st AMENDMENT RIGHTS …