[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by jwittig@live.com

Not sure what the point is here. If it's to try and show that all Christians are hypocrites based on the actions of these two men then I think that's pretty small minded. Anyone can call themselves a Christian and there are many hypocrites in Christianity as there are in all walks of life.

"Do not judge and you will not be judged" are the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:1. I think we can all take a lesson from that.

I think the point is to give you the opportunity to give your opinion as the this type of despicable activity by any religious sect. Whether it happened or not is immaterial. We all know this type of discrimination happens and if it is from a Christian to an Atheist or from an Atheist directed at a Christian, it wrong. But (in my opinion), when discrimination is directed at any other faith from a Christian, it is very hypocritical.

[blueash]

Posted by PennBF
Of course the person had the right to brag that she was against some religions, specifically Christians. In doing so she should not be surprised there are consequences when you insult a person's religion. The fish in the original artist representation has a serious meaning to many Christians and is displayed on cars, etc. To mock it's meaning is an act which of course offends many practicing Christians. Do I agree the actions taken by a couple of persons who objected was appropriate of course not. Do I think the person who did this knew he/she were going to offend many people. Of course I do. The real shame in my opinion was the person purposely insulting many who believe in the biblical story of the fish and for what purpose were he/she doing that.?

As I understand, or perhaps misunderstand, your posting...Where do you get the idea that the sticker is bragging about being against Christians? You're suggesting expressing an opinion that science should be taught in the schools without teaching a faith based story that contradicts the established science is a slap at Christians and they should feel offended. I don't want religion taught in a science class.. which is the entire point of the sticker. But apparently "many practicing Christians" are offended by that, who knew? To those of you who have crosses around your necks and in your yards proclaiming your belief, should non-Christians be offended and feel that their faith or non-faith is being mocked or ridiculed? Your post is excusing their behavior.. you are trying to explain it away by saying their fish story was being attacked and that was just too much although they went too far in their expression of righteous outrage. Apparently you should expect consequences if someone feels their faith is being attacked by the infidels. And your take home is that the shame in this event is not that two men accosted Mrs Blueash in defense of their perversion of Christianity, but that Mrs Blueash should have expected to be exposed to the consequences of her act.

There is a term "Christian Taliban" Those two men whether they know it are not, are acting in concert with the Christian Taliban. Defending the faith against fish feet.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by andercat View Post
I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school for 12 years. We were taught evolution in biology class. Catholics do not believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. Many Christian denominations have no problem with evolution.


US TOO. There is a big difference between Christian interpretations. And I would imagine that is true of all Faiths. The first time in my life I ran into criticism of my Catholicism was when I moved here. Our church would always have interfaith soup suppers during Lent. I always thought everybody got along.

[Emmakrock@yahoo.com]

Why do you think they are Christians..?The ones I know wouldn’t use that language.Christian means follower of Christ and they sure didn’t.

[andercat]

Originally Posted by diane reynolds

Christians generally do not believe in evolution.

Most Evangelical Christians support creationism. Most other mainline Protestants denominations and Catholics do not oppose evolution. If your denomination has a literal interpretation of the bible you most likely will not accept evolution. If your denomination (which includes far more than Evangelicals) does not have a literal interpretation of the bible evolution is acceptable.

[walterray1]

Originally Posted by blueash

Thank you to the decent people who said versions of "sorry this happened". And then there are those who accuse me of lying or in the words of the main stream media "fake news". It happened exactly as I wrote it. Mrs Blueash was very shaken and is not a liar. She had difficulty falling asleep last night and is not yet herself today.



To that specific wrong post.. Here is the phone number of Publix in Southern Trace: 352-751-6280 Call them and ask if "every square inch" is covered by cameras. The answer I received, and I suspect you will receive, is that there is no camera coverage of the outside except for the ATM. Don't accuse me of lying. And have the honesty yourself to come back and report on your phone call.

To those who insist it could not have happened.. I suppose your response might be that such actions are so offensive no person would ever do such a thing, but I don't think that is why you posted that thought. I present as demanded by one of you a photo of the damaged EVOLVE sticker. Of course you can now claim I ripped it up myself, just happened to have an old one and thought I'd construct a tale about it. Or admit the event happened.

To those of you who say.. but those men who called your wife an "ignorant c*nt" and attacked your property, waited by the cart to verbally assault her and made her feel very threatened don't represent real Christians and don't speak for the faith.. I agree with you. And I hope the next time there is a Muslim who acts violently or speaks violently you will apply the same filter and see that that person does not represent the Muslim faith even if that person claims his acts are defending his faith.

the reason you would have that sticker on your golf cart to begin with. Is it to profess your beliefs to others? Is it to provoke a response? What happened to your wife is plain wrong no matter where one is on the religion spectrum. However, it might be a good idea to reconsider the choices one makes when sharing more than is needed. Free speech does come with a cost at times and one should be aware of it.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Boomer

And there you have it, the predictable comment of those who either have lost the ability to recognize truth or just don’t want to hear it or are equipped to respond only with tedious snark rather than enter into an actual conversation. Too much of it these days in TV and everywhere else, too.

blueash has been around here forever. He writes well thought out posts for us, usually on important topics. His posts come from his ability to apply critical thinking skills. His credibility is impeccable.

His wife’s experience comes as no surprise to me. (I am trying to imagine what I would have done in her place. I know it would have not been pretty and it would have been LOUD. I am a nice lady, but. . .)

The tone of TV has changed tremendously during the past several years and that ugly tone is getting louder every day as angry, old, white guys feel empowered to strut and shout, foaming rabid and often traveling in packs.

I have no doubt in my mind that had that been a big man, or any man, returning to the cart, there would have been no confrontation.

Ah yes, life in the current day Villages.

Boomer

PS: Anybody read the book “Christ in Crisis: Why We Need To Reclaim Jesus”?

I disagree with just about everything you said on this post except about Blueash being impeccably credible when it comes to science and medicine. He is a bit biased in his other views as we all are. BUT.... I have lived here for more than a dozen years and no one has been rude to me. I have had subtle disdain for my subtle Catholicism from some people who are very dear to me and are Southern Baptists.

I remember a thread by Blueash that showed a devil statue being installed in a public place near a cross in Oklahoma. I suspected it was a way to get us talking because I thought he was an agnostic.

I don't like people to rile up others when it comes to their religion UNLESS the tenets of their religion are to harm or kill non believers and THAT is very radical and pretty unusual although as we approach the anniversary of 9/11 we have lived through a lot of people being killed by radical religious people.

People should have minded their own business and not commented on this symbol that I don't recognize. And I think he is exaggerating a little saying that some "old guys" called a strange lady a C*NT in a parking lot in The Villages.

I am skeptical. We are all getting a bit over the top with all this quarantining and fussing and burning businesses and stuff. Some of us just want to argue and start things.

[Trishakaye]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Darwin's Theory of Evolution is in direct conflict with Christian belief of creationism.

True but a Christian -especially a man speaking to a woman- would NEVER use that disgusting language.

TV is starting to “evolve” like the rest of our country.

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

We have volumes of data and other proof of Evolution, but Zero proof of religion. Consider the violence caused by religion over the centuries. Is it a good thing or a bad thing?

Your last science class must have been 50 years ago.
You are very out of date on the current scientific theories of how life formed.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Darwin's Theory of Evolution is in direct conflict with Christian belief of creationism.

There are many bible scholars who would disagree and they find “room” for evolution and the Bible story. If I had been there, I would’ve had a word with these ignorant, rude and obnoxious men. They certainly made fools of themselves.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by andercat

Most Evangelical Christians support creationism. Most other mainline Protestants denominations and Catholics do not oppose evolution. If your denomination has a literal interpretation of the bible you most likely will not accept evolution. If your denomination (which includes far more than Evangelicals) does not have a literal interpretation of the bible evolution is acceptable.

No one that believes in the Bible as the Word of GOD believes in evolution. There is NO inference of evolution in the Bible.
Catholics believe in CREATION, not evolution. If evolution was taught in their schools, it was Darwin's theory of Evolution, as an example not as a fact.
I have studied many different Bible believing religions and they ALL believe in Creation.

Interviewing several scientists and archeologists, I have never found one that could prove Evolution. I have found several that have said that the Bible is a historically accurate document that is reinforced by scientific evidence. They also seem to agree that the ONLY evolution if any is man made. True evolution is natural and the lack of evidence suggests that Darwin only had a theory. By the way, Darwin himself is reported to have recanted his theory in his later days.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

If you believe that God is capable of all things and that we are not capable of understanding what God can understand, then the two ideas are not necessarily in conflict.

We know that God sometimes put things into words so that we can understand them. Some of The Bible stories are not meant to be taken literally. Sometimes there is conflicting information in The Bible. In some cases it is because at one time that is all that men were able to understand. Later we as we became more intelligent, things might be explained differently.

With God, nothing is impossible. Even those things that seem to be impossible to us.

Very sensible post. I’m appalled at how atheists can be so sure of their “religion” when two of the greatest scientists Einstein and Newton believed in a God. I can understand the agnostic view but atheism is simply another dogma and it’s adherents are as intolerant as other religions can be.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Coal Miner

Theres not a whole lot of difference between Christian radicals and Moslem radicals.

Depends on which century you was born in?

[Taltarzac725]

What Does the Bible Say About Tolerance?

This is worth a look.

[Pdesensi]

That why I don’t make any of my beliefs or opinions public. So many ignorant, mean people in out world.