[PennBF]

I like the idea of a person working for the Villages just take the stuff on bthe chair and put it in a basket for the people to pick up later if they were holding the seat. The other idea is to sit in the seat, if someone comes over to claim a saved seat tell them you are staying put AND remind them that in the State of Florida it automatically becomes aggravated assualt as opposed to simple assualt if you strike of hit or push a person over the age of 65 in Florida. And ask them if they really want to pay a stiff fine and go to jail as that will happen.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I like the idea of a person working for the Villages just take the stuff on bthe chair and put it in a basket for the people to pick up later if they were holding the seat. The other idea is to sit in the seat, if someone comes over to claim a saved seat tell them you are staying put AND remind them that in the State of Florida it automatically becomes aggravated assualt as opposed to simple assualt if you strike of hit or push a person over the age of 65 in Florida. And ask them if they really want to pay a stiff fine and go to jail as that will happen.

Yeah well, what if the answer is YES, followed by a huge, ugly WHOMP?

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by PennBF

The other idea is to sit in the seat, if someone comes over to claim a saved seat tell them you are staying put AND remind them that in the State of Florida it automatically becomes aggravated assualt as opposed to simple assualt if you strike of hit or push a person over the age of 65 in Florida. And ask them if they really want to pay a stiff fine and go to jail as that will happen.

Going to the Town Squares is supposed to be a fun experience.
Surely there are solutions that don't involve hostility and confrontation.
I'd much rather skip a performance than fight with someone over a chair.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Going to the Town Squares is supposed to be a fun experience.
Surely there are solutions that don't involve hostility and confrontation.
I'd much rather skip a performance than fight with someone over a chair.

On the other hand, we have hundreds of clubs in TV. Ever see the movie "Fight Club"?

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Going to the Town Squares is supposed to be a fun experience.
Surely there are solutions that don't involve hostility and confrontation.
I'd much rather skip a performance than fight with someone over a chair.

Agreed, Obviously this is a well known continuous problem and the fact that the ones that could easily do something about it choose to turn a blind eye and remain totally mute on the subject says a lot about their concern for the average resident. Non enforcement or selective enforcement of the numerous rules in the compound just creates even more problems. If you have to have a confrontation at the squares to get get a seat it isn't worth going. We and our neighbors don't even consider going anymore.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Agreed, Obviously this is a well known continuous problem and the fact that the ones that could easily do something about it choose to turn a blind eye and remain totally mute on the subject says a lot about their concern for the average resident. Non enforcement or selective enforcement of the numerous rules in the compound just creates even more problems. If you have to have a confrontation at the squares to get get a seat it isn't worth going. We and our neighbors don't even consider going anymore.

Well said

[tomwed]

Walmart sells a US Leisure Low Back Chair for $8.88. Do they even weigh a pound? One person can easily carry 2. And it's not like 2 extra chairs at home won't come in handy.

Isn't that easier than worrying about bullies or not having a chair when you know it's going to be crowded? I think it's a shame when someone gives up something they enjoy and blames it on the system not working or big brother looking the other way.

I would think Villagers more than other retirees, would tend to be problem solvers. There were so many obstacles to overcome and problems to solve in order to move here.

Something doesn't sound right.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by tomwed

Walmart sells a US Leisure Low Back Chair for $8.88. Do they even weigh a pound? One person can easily carry 2. And it's not like 2 extra chairs at home won't come in handy.

Isn't that easier than worrying about bullies or not having a chair when you know it's going to be crowded? I think it's a shame when someone gives up something they enjoy and blames it on the system not working or big brother looking the other way.

I would think Villagers more than other retirees, would tend to be problem solvers. There were so many obstacles to overcome and problems to solve in order to move here.

Something doesn't sound right.

A great solution in theory---avoids confrontations, guarantees a seat, cheap and easy for most.
However, it does not address the underlying issue---rude and obnoxious people violating the policy at the expense of others. If the residents of TV do not want a no seat saving policy, then just drop it. But do not selectively enforce the rules. I can give 300 recent examples of selective law enforcement---they are called sanctuary cities, and we found out where that leads. Another recent thread dealt with a woman going from neighborhood to neighborhood reporting garden gnomes. There were many who defended her, so why ignore the seat savers?

Lastly, let's project your solution to its logical conclusion. Human nature being what it is, more and more people will start thinking "Why should I haul chairs to the square when others get away with saving them?". So more people will start saving chairs until there aren't enough chairs to "save" Then the confrontation will be between seat savers fighting each other over who gets to save THEIR chair. Same problem, different players. Maybe they deserve it.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by tomwed

Walmart sells a US Leisure Low Back Chair for $8.88. Do they even weigh a pound? One person can easily carry 2. And it's not like 2 extra chairs at home won't come in handy.
Something doesn't sound right.

Many people who attend the nightly entertainment come from outside the community.
Persuading them to provide their own chairs may be a bit of a stretch -- same for renters or visitors.
Especially since chairs have always been provided at all the Town Squares.

P.S. I just realized you are talking about bringing chairs in addition to chairs already provided.
Sandtrap has been recommending that for months, but his posts are only seen by readers of TOTV.
I think a much better solution is to enforce the existing policy of "No Chair Saving".

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

A great solution in theory---avoids confrontations, guarantees a seat, cheap and easy for most.
However, it does not address the underlying issue---rude and obnoxious people violating the policy at the expense of others. If the residents of TV do not want a no seat saving policy, then just drop it. But do not selectively enforce the rules. I can give 300 recent examples of selective law enforcement---they are called sanctuary cities, and we found out where that leads. Another recent thread dealt with a woman going from neighborhood to neighborhood reporting garden gnomes. There were many who defended her, so why ignore the seat savers?

Lastly, let's project your solution to its logical conclusion. Human nature being what it is, more and more people will start thinking "Why should I haul chairs to the square when others get away with saving them?". So more people will start saving chairs until there aren't enough chairs to "save" Then the confrontation will be between seat savers fighting each other over who gets to save THEIR chair. Same problem, different players. Maybe they deserve it.

They weigh a pound, hardly a haul.
Do you want to see the free concert or change the free world?

[Jima64]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Yeah well, what if the answer is YES, followed by a huge, ugly WHOMP?

You call the police and have them arrested.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by tomwed

They weigh a pound, hardly a haul.
Do you want to see the free concert or change the free world?

Your point????
The reason we have a "free world" is because of our laws
Do you suggest ignoring or working around the lawbreakers if there is an easy alternative?
Let's ignore the DUI laws---we can stay off the roads when they're out
Let's ignore burglars---we can replace what they steal
Let's ignore pedophiles---we don't have any young children living here
Let's ignore ISIS----we can convert to Islam
Where do we draw the line on which rules to enforce and which to allow violations?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Yeah well, what if the answer is YES, followed by a huge, ugly WHOMP?

Sometimes you have to take one for the team. Where's your community spirit?

[outlaw]

I thought the developer solved this issue at Brownwood. Don't they keep the chairs locked up or inaccessible until about 30 minutes before the entertainment starts? If so, why not do this at the other town centers? an alternative would be to post some professionally made signs that politely say "No chair saving, please." Then, one would just need to point out the sign to anyone who insists on saving a seat. I think that would take care of probably 99% of the problem. A similar tactic is used in the fitness centers. Each machine has a little sign on it stating "Do your reps and move on." A little more direct, but it seems to work. It helps to keep people from homesteading a machine in their attempt to sculpt their obese bodies while they're surfing the net on their smart phones between sets.

[tomwed]

The reason we have a "free world" is because of our laws
Do you suggest ignoring or working around the lawbreakers if there is an easy alternative?

I do.

I grew up in the city. Streetsmarts kept me relatively safe.
[the experience and knowledge necessary to deal with the potential difficulties or dangers of life in an urban environment.]

Let's ignore the DUI laws---we can stay off the roads when they're out

I don't drink and drive. So I don't ignore the laws. But years ago when it was more common I would stay off the roads when I knew there was a lot of celebrating going on.

Let's ignore burglars---we can replace what they steal
I lock the doors.

Let's ignore pedophiles---we don't have any young children living here

I don't worry about pedophies in The Villages. When I have grandchildren I won't be afraid to supervise them at the squares or the pools. I don't want them going through life being afraid of strangers.

Let's ignore ISIS----we can convert to Islam
I don't worry about ISIS in the US. I still fly, go to national monuments, vacation where ever I want. I flew home last week and when I was boarding when I got to my seat there was a computer bag under the seat next to me., no person, no one around. I got the stewardess right away. She told me the owner was in the bathroom at the back of the plane and I did the right thing. So I'm aware of my surroundings but I don't worry.

Where do we draw the line on which rules to enforce and which to allow violations?

Pee Wee Herman has a right to park his bike at a biker bar, and order a sasperella but if you ask my street smart friends, I think they will agree that he's asking for trouble.

I've never felt safer than I do now. I want others to think it out too. That's my point.