[stadry]

beginning to understand the 'living in a bubble' condition,,, no one has to work in tv - better make that, few need to work for financial reasons,,, a large majority ( & this is a wag ) have pensions/retirements in some way connected to government ( either fed, state, or municipal - teachers, dot's, quasi-public, even lotteries, etc ),,, they think they'll be unaffected financially to the extent the working public is experiencing.

HAH ! not so. while we sit back sheltering-in-place, our country's economic life's in shambles. governments have no $ - they take it from those who pay taxes, skim off enough to pay salaries, & return the rest thru grants. ny, il, ca, mi, pa, ct - they're bankrupt while having not yet filed. cities declare bankruptcy & DO file. yet everyone thinks we can keep on keepin' on. 1 thing i've learned - everyone's more than willing to hold hostage their children's & grandchildren's financial future. to me, clearly there is no solid answer other than the path suggested last evening

let those state governors govern - open their states for business while others keep their's closeted. in michigan, 1 can buy marijuana but not seeds for a garden ? that's lunacy. nj's governor remarks the freedoms of the u s constitution are 'above his pay grade.' horse=puckey !!!

yes, more will die. maybe even me but i've had a good life. since 64-67, have always thought today's a good day to die. how many more will die than the # while if staying sheltered ? only speculation.

reopening our country is a cost of freedom - the freedom to keep our country as we know it.

i think i better shut up now - enjoy your day !

[Bay Kid]

Our small governments are enjoying having so much power. But. Our VA. governor tells people they can't have a hair cut, but every time he talks in public he has a fresh cut... you can't but I will....

[billethkid]

Maybe using the way it was is no longer an appropriate goal.
In the short run (3-12 months?) lesser capacity may be the rule of the day.
Like the restaurants and some businesses have learned to have revenue....yes significantly reduced but none the less....some revenue with curb side and delivery service.
They will also figure out how to use their interior space.....like the pick up and delivery.....adding a 40% (?) internal seating is better than zero seating in the short term.

As Dr. Fauci has said it is not like turning on the light switch and all is well. There will be a gradual re-opening.....for some they will be back to a revenue level they experienced when they first opened for business.

The creative will figure how to operate within the new level of business.

[Nucky]

Originally Posted by stadry

beginning to understand the 'living in a bubble' condition,,, no one has to work in tv - better make that, few need to work for financial reasons,,, a large majority ( & this is a wag ) have pensions/retirements in some way connected to government ( either fed, state, or municipal - teachers, dot's, quasi-public, even lotteries, etc ),,, they think they'll be unaffected financially to the extent the working public is experiencing.

HAH ! not so. while we sit back sheltering-in-place, our country's economic life's in shambles. governments have no $ - they take it from those who pay taxes, skim off enough to pay salaries, & return the rest thru grants. ny, il, ca, mi, pa, ct - they're bankrupt while having not yet filed. cities declare bankruptcy & DO file. yet everyone thinks we can keep on keepin' on. 1 thing i've learned - everyone's more than willing to hold hostage their children's & grandchildren's financial future. to me, clearly there is no solid answer other than the path suggested last evening

let those state governors govern - open their states for business while others keep their's closeted. in michigan, 1 can buy marijuana but not seeds for a garden ? that's lunacy. nj's governor remarks the freedoms of the u s constitution are 'above his pay grade.' horse=puckey !!!

yes, more will die. maybe even me but i've had a good life. since 64-67, have always thought today's a good day to die. how many more will die than the # while if staying sheltered ? only speculation.

reopening our country is a cost of freedom - the freedom to keep our country as we know it.

i think i better shut up now - enjoy your day !

I Like Your Post A Whole Lot. Truly the first time I saw the N.J. guy say that the U.S. Constitution is above his pay grade it NOTHING but showed me what my family who we have in Jersey have been telling me. They are rudderless.

I'm not ready to check out yet but I may have no say in the matter if I get nervous and jerky and don't do the thing that are best for me when the time is good. I don't NEED the Square, I Love the Pool But I'll be fine if i miss out on it. I'm mainly at peace the majority of the time. I think we all have our moments. If today is my day to go when then so be it. I hope it's not but it may not be my call unless I do something stupid. I trying to move slowly and making only smart moves.

Horse Puckey! Thats a good one Sherman Potter!

For me you never have to shut up now! Let 'Er Rip! There is a lot of truth in your post.

[GoodLife]

Dang, hate it when I'm right

From the Opening up America Plan

Phase two:

All vulnerable individuals should continue to shelter in place.

Phase three:

Vulnerable individuals can resume public interactions, but should continue social distancing.

Vulnerable individuals are defined as elderly, or those with underlying health conditions

Opening Up America Again | Hospital | Patient

[stan the man]

Very easy to give advice. If you're right you can run around and tell everybody that's exactly what I said. If you're wrong you just say nothing or if challenged about your remarks just say should never asked me I'm not in charge

[ficoguy]

The way I see it, underlying health issues have been a big factor in those who contract it and have fatal results. 73% of those needing hospitalization ( and yes, a % of those will die ) have had some predecessor issues - obesity, diabetes, cardiac issues, lung disease, etc.. There is no nice way to avoid the fact that no matter what we do people will die from this. The original estimate was 2 million Americans would die - now its projected to be less than 200,000. How long do you keep a nation of 330 million locked down for an illness that will be fatal to .06% ( six tenths of one percent ) of the populace? In the US, of course, we believe every life is worth saving ( except for the 60,000 or so abortions a year ). But society has always made trade-offs. You send troops into battle knowing that a percentage will not return. The mortality rate for D-Day was 3.6% - Eisenhower expected 15% or more.

[Heyitsrick]

If you haven't looked at the Johns Hopkins Covid-19 site recently, they've included a US map now. The US map will break out reports by counties.

Here's the current Sumter County Covid-19 status page, for example:

Sumter County Covid-19 Status Page

Main Johns Hopkins Covid United States map:

Johns Hopkins United States Covid-19 Map

[DianeM]

Originally Posted by Kgcetm

I agree with you. When the governors decide to "take charge" we're going to get too many opening dates and an increase in infections related to travel. I don't understand how New York, California, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Kentucky announced they will work toward reopening their states when their states continue to struggle with the basic issues of increasing infections, few hospital beds, exhausted care givers and insufficient supplies. While that's a good number of governors, I think all 50 need to agree on when and what the reopening of America is going to look like. I don't want to become infected because the governor of Michigan thinks it's safe to reopen and they are not. Certainly travel beyond your geographic are should be limited.

We have to start getting back to some state of normalcy. From what I read and heard, I believe there are parameters to be reached before a state can reopen. I also think I heard that states can open by county based on cases.

I see no need for all 50 governors to have to agree at the same time for reopening. Montana has more horses than people with very very little infections so they should open if they wish. New York is getting better but is certainly not ready for opening. Each individual governor knows their state so we have to hope they know what they’re doing.

[DianeM]

Originally Posted by Koapaka

And your selective reading befuddles me...I said THOSE OF US RETIRED, WITHOUT NEED TO BE OUT THERE!!! I am trying hard to ensure those of us that HAVE NO BUSINESS exposing those that are SAVING us all as essential workers are PROTECTED to the MAXIMUM extent possible! REREAD my post! The NEED to be out there and the WANT to not be stuck at home are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ISSUES!

Retired doesn’t mean dead. We need sunshine and to move. We cannot stay indoors like houseplants. We still have lives and there is nothing more essential and required than that. Take basic precautions of distancing and masks and we can leave home.

[MisDav]

I like your plan.

[MisDav]

I've been wondering the same thing.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There's a guy in Florida who is pretty smart - he's former military, former paramilitary, former mercenary, hunter, full-bearded redneck, self-sufficient for himself and his family - who has a pretty insightful take on this situation:

Let's talk about reopening the economy.... - YouTube

Yeah, he has quite a few points & makes good sense. Almost all of it has also been said here and on television, mostly on what has been derisively labeled "mainstream media" though. I somewhat disagree with his opinion that the 'failures will be publicized.' In some places, yeah; in others, the spin machine will go into turbo mode to gloss over those failures.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by DianeM

We have to start getting back to some state of normalcy. From what I read and heard, I believe there are parameters to be reached before a state can reopen. I also think I heard that states can open by county based on cases.

I see no need for all 50 governors to have to agree at the same time for reopening. Montana has more horses than people with very very little infections so they should open if they wish. New York is getting better but is certainly not ready for opening. Each individual governor knows their state so we have to hope they know what they’re doing.

How do you prevent people in the MORE restricted states, from turning out in droves to the LESS restricted states? That didn't go so well for the kids who ended up with the virus because Florida chose not to close their beaches until after the infection had spread to vacationers.

This is -why- it has to be a nationwide effort. You can't say "You can't walk on the streets but you may leave the state if you want" to one state, and "you can walk on the streets and play bingo and go to church and hang out on the beach" in another state, and not expect the virus to just keep spreading.

Just like gun laws - if one state says "nope can't buy that type of weapon in this state" and anyone can cross the border and buy that type of weapon in the next state, there is NOTHING stopping everyone in the first state from owning that type of weapon.

Now consider the weapon is the coronavirus, and consider that anyone who possesses it, is incapable of controlling their trigger finger.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'd like to add for those complaining about being stuck inside 24/7:

The only people who are stuck inside 24/7 are people who are physically incapable of leaving their dwelling. You have a front yard. You have a driveway. Most of you have at least one golf cart. Some of you have bicycles. CV owners have enclosed back yards.

There is nothing stopping ANY of you from leaving your houses and getting some fresh air and sunshine. Even the restrictions allow for exercise. Just keep your distance from everyone else, and you are free to move around as much as you'd like.

I'm out in the garden, or walking, or both, every single day that I'm not working. My tan is darker in the last week, than it has been for the entire time since I moved here this past November.