[DianeM]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

How do you prevent people in the MORE restricted states, from turning out in droves to the LESS restricted states? That didn't go so well for the kids who ended up with the virus because Florida chose not to close their beaches until after the infection had spread to vacationers.

This is -why- it has to be a nationwide effort. You can't say "You can't walk on the streets but you may leave the state if you want" to one state, and "you can walk on the streets and play bingo and go to church and hang out on the beach" in another state, and not expect the virus to just keep spreading.

Just like gun laws - if one state says "nope can't buy that type of weapon in this state" and anyone can cross the border and buy that type of weapon in the next state, there is NOTHING stopping everyone in the first state from owning that type of weapon.

Now consider the weapon is the coronavirus, and consider that anyone who possesses it, is incapable of controlling their trigger finger.

We’ll just agree to disagree. This is not a “one size fits all” situation

[DianeM]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'd like to add for those complaining about being stuck inside 24/7:

The only people who are stuck inside 24/7 are people who are physically incapable of leaving their dwelling. You have a front yard. You have a driveway. Most of you have at least one golf cart. Some of you have bicycles. CV owners have enclosed back yards.

There is nothing stopping ANY of you from leaving your houses and getting some fresh air and sunshine. Even the restrictions allow for exercise. Just keep your distance from everyone else, and you are free to move around as much as you'd like.

I'm out in the garden, or walking, or both, every single day that I'm not working. My tan is darker in the last week, than it has been for the entire time since I moved here this past November.

Do people really sit in their front yard or driveways? Never saw that here or on Long Island. You learn every day, I use my lanai.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by DianeM

Do people really sit in their front yard or driveways? Never saw that here or on Long Island. You learn every day, I use my lanai.

Around here, yes. They have little tables and chairs in front of their houses on pavement, some with picnic table umbrellas, some without. Some folks have a bench out front that they sit on. I've seen a few people out on blankets on the grass sunning themselves in their bathing suits (not many, not often, but I have seen them). Maybe your part of the Villages is secluded and people prefer to wall themselves from their neighbors all the time. But on my side of the Villages we are a pretty close community. It's not even unheard of for one neighbor to be hanging out on a bench next door to them, simply because they don't HAVE a bench of their own and want to catch a few rays in comfort.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by DianeM

Do people really sit in their front yard or driveways? Never saw that here or on Long Island. You learn every day, I use my lanai.

Seeing it more and more. Way to interact at a distance.
More to learn every day...……………………….

[DianeM]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Around here, yes. They have little tables and chairs in front of their houses on pavement, some with picnic table umbrellas, some without. Some folks have a bench out front that they sit on. I've seen a few people out on blankets on the grass sunning themselves in their bathing suits (not many, not often, but I have seen them). Maybe your part of the Villages is secluded and people prefer to wall themselves from their neighbors all the time. But on my side of the Villages we are a pretty close community. It's not even unheard of for one neighbor to be hanging out on a bench next door to them, simply because they don't HAVE a bench of their own and want to catch a few rays in comfort.

I’ve seen a few of those little tables and chairs and thought they were for decoration. That or really nosy people. Lol.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Seeing it more and more. Way to interact at a distance.
More to learn every day...……………………….

Welcome to Orange Blossom, where this kind of thing isn't uncommon. We meet in the middle of the road sometimes, and just hang out there talking about how the tenant in the green house 2 doors down has done such a fine job with their begonias. And driveway parties that aren't always scheduled - sometimes just a few of us end up coming up the walk to say hi, and we all end up hanging around on the driveway for a half hour.

At a safe distance now, but the phenomenon of spontaneously congregating in the front of the dwelling is pretty common here.

[DianeM]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Welcome to Orange Blossom, where this kind of thing isn't uncommon. We meet in the middle of the road sometimes, and just hang out there talking about how the tenant in the green house 2 doors down has done such a fine job with their begonias. And driveway parties that aren't always scheduled - sometimes just a few of us end up coming up the walk to say hi, and we all end up hanging around on the driveway for a half hour.

At a safe distance now, but the phenomenon of spontaneously congregating in the front of the dwelling is pretty common here.

Occasionally there are garage parties which I don’t get at all. Why on earth would I want to sit in a concrete box in 90 degree weather? Lol.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Just like gun laws - if one state says "nope can't buy that type of weapon in this state" and anyone can cross the border and buy that type of weapon in the next state, there is NOTHING stopping everyone in the first state from owning that type of weapon.

Under federal law an individual cannot go to another state and legally purchase a gun if they are banned from owning that gun in their home state. Gun dealers have access to data on each state to insure the sale is legal. An individual is allowed to purchase a long gun, rifle or shotgun, in another state if it is not banned from ownership in the buyer's home state.

In addition an individual cannot legally purchase a hand gun in another state and take possession of it there. They can purchase the handgun and the selling gun dealer is required to ship it to a federally licensed dealer in the purchaser's home state where the handgun will be transferred to the buyer after applicable background checks are completed. Again if the gun is banned that state the buyer cannot take possession of it and the gun dealer will have to return it to the selling dealer.

Yes, an individual can go to another state and possibly buy a gun from a private person that the buyer cannot own in their home state. But, the seller and buyer both have committed a federal felony and if caught would spend years in a federal prison. My source, I held a federal gun dealer license in the past, your source is misinformed or lying.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You can't say "You can't walk on the streets but you may leave the state if you want" to one state, and "you can walk on the streets and play bingo and go to church and hang out on the beach" in another state, and not expect the virus to just keep spreading.

Whether it's a nationwide guideline or a state-by-state process, either way, I think we all know the virus will "just keep spreading." That's the cost/benefit analysis we've been talking about - the "Sophie's Choice" of sacrificing lives for the greater good of maintaining people's livelihoods and way of life - because there appears to be no other alternative unfortunately. It's the pink elephant in the living room our leaders pretend isn't there and refuse to talk about, understandably.

Few among us ever expected to be faced with an existential crisis and have to make such a terrible choice in our lifetime, but here we are.

It's not realistic to assume the virus won't keep spreading when we reopen the country in the absence of a vaccine or effective treatment. There will be people out there who are asymptomatic and infected. And that's what caused the virus to catch fire in the first place.

I'm wondering how much panic is going to ensue when we're in a movie theater or Villages rec center and someone coughs or sneezes.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Under federal law an individual cannot go to another state and legally purchase a gun if they are banned from owning that gun in their home state. Gun dealers have access to data on each state to insure the sale is legal. An individual is allowed to purchase a long gun, rifle or shotgun, in another state if it is not banned from ownership in the buyer's home state.

In addition an individual cannot legally purchase a hand gun in another state and take possession of it there. They can purchase the handgun and the selling gun dealer is required to ship it to a federally licensed dealer in the purchaser's home state where the handgun will be transferred to the buyer after applicable background checks are completed. Again if the gun is banned that state the buyer cannot take possession of it and the gun dealer will have to return it to the selling dealer.

Yes, an individual can go to another state and possibly buy a gun from a private person that the buyer cannot own in their home state. But, the seller and buyer both have committed a federal felony and if caught would spend years in a federal prison. My source, I held a federal gun dealer license in the past, your source is misinformed or lying.

You and what army are actively, physically, preventing anyone from doing it? Can it even be prevented at all, with regulation? The question is - IS it being done, with regards to COVID-19?

This isn't about guns. It's about social distancing, washing hands, trying not to congregate if it can be avoided, when your state has just opened one of the two primary tourist attractions in the state's existence.

It's like, if the governor tells Disney World "go ahead, open up" tomorrow. TOMORROW. And Disney says "woah awesome, hotels, trams, rides, sidewalks, attractions - OPEN FOR BUSINESS!" and then they put a sign on the gate that says "please respect social distancing."

Not Gonna Happen.

People will either come in droves, ignore social distancing, and give the virus to the employees - who will spread it to their families, who will spread it to the supermarkets, who will spread it to strangers - which is how this whirlwind started in the first place...

Or

They will avoid these places like the plague - and since the places all opened for business, it also means they are now staffed, and have to pay their staff, the lights are all one, the rides are all powered up, the hotel housekeeping folks are all lined up with freshly washed linens and the scones for the free breakfast buffet are thawing out in the fridge - but have no revenue coming in with which to pay for all this.

So you're going to end up with a fresh new batch of sick and dead people

OR

You're gonna end up with a lot of bankrupt stores.

All because one tourist attraction opened up too soon. Just like the beaches are opened to the public too soon, without ANY possible ability to control the crowds.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Whether it's a nationwide guideline or a state-by-state process, either way, I think we all know the virus will "just keep spreading." That's the cost/benefit analysis we've been talking about - the "Sophie's Choice" of sacrificing lives for the greater good of maintaining people's livelihoods and way of life - because there appears to be no other alternative unfortunately. It's the pink elephant in the living room our leaders pretend isn't there and refuse to talk about, understandably.

Few among us ever expected to be faced with an existential crisis and have to make such a terrible choice in our lifetime, but here we are.

It's not realistic to assume the virus won't keep spreading when we reopen the country in the absence of a vaccine or effective treatment. There will be people out there who are asymptomatic and infected. And that's what caused the virus to catch fire in the first place.

I'm wondering how much panic is going to ensue when we're in a movie theater or Villages rec center and someone coughs or sneezes.

I'm wondering how many customers will be willing to buy a ticket and go INTO the theatre, knowing that their movie might cause their death.

[Beyond The Wall]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

From what I understand, our country is preparing to reopen soon, perhaps on a "rolling" basis, before there's an effective treatment or vaccine for Covid-19. Testing is also projected to remain difficult to get. I'm curious how you all will respond to the call to resume our activities under these conditions.

If the virus is still lurking and we have no weapons against it other than masks, alcohol and distancing, will you go back to your restaurants, town squares, the rec centers for card games, mahjong, jam sessions, Beatles group, ceramics, wood shop, etc.? Or will you continue to stay at home? I'm surprised TV's powers that be haven't polled the community on this important question. (Note to Winston: have you asked your members if they will indeed show up?)

I just don't see the logic in unleashing us prematurely. If the virus is still out there, large numbers of people, or even small numbers of people if you prefer, will continue to contract it and pass it on. And that's the situation that got us into this mess in the first place. Even though the virus was not widespread, there was enough of it to allow it to spread exponentially. What makes us think the same thing won't happen again? It probably will, and that's the set up for the "second wave" we've been hearing about.

So why would we want to make a bad situation worse? And why would the current administration want to commit political suicide in the process?

I just don't get it. Can anyone shed some light? What a Sophie's Choice on the part of our leaders on both sides, huh? Either let the economy crumble and the population go mad or kill off a segment of our citizenry.

"unleashing us"?! No one is going to force anyone to go and do any activity they dont want to or feel safe doing. Some of the areas that were closed was complete over kill. The pools for example. It would have made more sense to remove 1/3 of the chairs, space them a little more apart , then to shut them down. It and is complete overkill. Unleash! Please do!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Beyond The Wall

"unleashing us"?! No one is going to force anyone to go and do any activity they dont want to or feel safe doing. Some of the areas that were closed was complete over kill. The pools for example. It would have made more sense to remove 1/3 of the chairs, space them a little more apart , then to shut them down. It and is complete overkill. Unleash! Please do!

I think this might have solved some of the problem. Enforcing the ID card rules at the pools would help. And spacing the chairs out and not ALLOWING people to clump them together unless they have the same address would help. I mean taking it absolutely seriously. The pool people would need to act as pool police - you're welcome to sit. OVER THERE. Or you can leave. Your choice.

I think it's reasonable.

[Velvet]

Not going to happen. Last day I was at the pool there was a pool party in the water, drinking alcohol, spitting at each other... just having fun! You’d need a pool guard at every pool all the time it was open.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I think this might have solved some of the problem. Enforcing the ID card rules at the pools would help. And spacing the chairs out and not ALLOWING people to clump them together unless they have the same address would help. I mean taking it absolutely seriously. The pool people would need to act as pool police - you're welcome to sit. OVER THERE. Or you can leave. Your choice.

I think it's reasonable.

I would not bathe with a person who might have tuberculosis and I would not swim with someone who might have Covid-19. Immersing yourself in salt water doesn't seem like a safe thing to do in these germy times.