Widespread testing is a potent weapon in our arsenal. Here's some good news:

New saliva test for coronavirus could be game changer, limits exposure to workers

The country has to open sometime soon..i think a slow, gradual opening start with barbershops and nail salons were you can control numbers. Then slowly add clubs and activities that can definitely control number of participants. There will be no effect Immunization for months, even with a rushed procedure. Be smart, continue social distancing, wash your hands and hang out only with your most trusted friends.

My statement of 99.99 percent will survive this flu(yes it is a flu)(repeat, it is a flu organism) pertains to people under 65 with NO underlying problems like COPD.

Of the 20,000 deaths in the US only a very few are under 65 with no underlying issues. (In a nation of 350,000,000.)

Got it.

Hysteria and fear are promoted but the numbers are out there. But if you are afraid of me then stay home and I will not come in contact with you.

You would choose barbershops and nail salons, where someone is TOUCHING YOU???? Think about it... If they got it you got it. If you got it they got it? Not me. My appearance is not that important. I think something that isn't THAT close and personal is the place to start. Most people could go the rest of their life without a nail salon if they chose to.

Your repetition of factually ignorant statements does not benefit you in having the rest of anything you post be considered worthwhile.

Covid is NOT a flu, Repeat it is NOT a flu. Flu is shorthand for influenza. Influenza is a specific kind of virus. Corona is a different kind of virus. Your statement is as wrong as me typing a Chevy is a Ford repeat a Chevy is a Ford because both are cars. Got it?

Hey, I already do. After they fried my hair with hair color and gave me nail fungus with pedicure, I found I can do a pretty good job myself.

Hubby is different, I’m encouraging him to grow his hair into a male bun, but he is considering getting an electric clipper and a crew cut.

Would you please rewrite the above, but just use one syllable words. I want to forward it to our President.

And ask him about this - are we going to do this "way of doing it"?

“Sweden did that -- the herd. They called (it) the herd. Sweden is suffering very, very badly. It’s a way of doing it.” -Donald Trump

<AP source>: As virus deaths rise, Sweden sticks to '''low-scale''' lockdown

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If they are I am glad. They used to spray here and we never had mosquitoes. Then they stopped because environmentalists did not like it. So now we have many more mosquitoes including the West Nile Virus carriers. It's a lot safer for us if they spray!

I don't even care about any of that optional stuff. Social, entertainment, etc are all non essential really. I will be happy just being able to have necessary medical appointments, etc not be cancelled, important health, maintenance and service type things, and the ability to go to a store and buy food that's actually in stock. If you don't have your health then the rest doesn't matter. It's all relative. Get the critical areas and jobs working first.
I will continue to use extreme caution because I have health issues and REALLY don't want to get sick and possibly DIE. JMHO Stay safe.

As far as the discussion of essential versus non-essential businesses I want to point out that EVERY business is essential to someone.....it is their way of making a living.
This is similar to the difference between minor and major surgery. If it is you it is minor surgery but if it is me it is major surgery.

My wife and I know a young lady here that saved money for about 7 years to open her own nail salon which she did in early February and of course has been forced to shut down. She says that if she cannot open by around July 1 she will lose everything.
I need your help as to how to explain to her that her nail salon is a non essential business.
We should all try and put ourselves in someone elses shoes now and then

Crime is down worldwide.

So far. :boom:

View a Morgan Stanley Research forecast attachment from the Morgan Stanley US Biotechnology Research Team

There will never be complete, actual hard data, either for COVID-19 or the flu. It is impossible to completely measure and will always rely on extrapolation and estimates, which will change with time and reporting. Meanwhile, there are plenty of estimates available (google: COVID-19 mortality rate). From MarketWatch, for example, speaking of the worldwide deaths:

The same report also admits:

Will coronavirus kill you? Why fatality rates for COVID-19 vary wildly depending on age, gender, medical history and country - MarketWatch

These estimates change continuously. According to the National Review,

Coronavirus Pandemic: U.S. Fatality Rate Steady at About 1 Percent | National Review

As more numbers comes in, and better estimates of non-symptomatic and/or unreported infections are included, the mortality rate will almost certainly drop. As of 4/15/2020 however, according to the CDC, there had been 24,582 deaths out of 605,390 "both confirmed and probable cases" in the U.S. & territories. Doing the math, this results in over 4% of reported cases. There would have to be nearly another 1.9 million additional, unreported cases to bring the mortality rate down below 1%.

Cases in U.S. | CDC


By everybody, I am talking about the U.S. population in general, not individually. OK, statistically speaking, we all have a 99.9% chance of surviving the flu. Semantically better, but the same odds.

Numbers of what? Customers or those infected...……..how do you tell the difference?

You might want to consult any media station for confirmation. Fredo added 3700 people who had died of heart attacks, etc. because “they weren’t tested but probably would have died of corona virus anyway”. Great way to screw up statistics. Wonder if he gets a bounty if a body bag is used for a covid death instead of a heart attack.

Not any more. Check any news station. Fredo switched 3700 deaths to covid.

I think everything should be open and operating as it was. Those that are afraid of getting the virus should stay home, of all those that contract the virus, most will recover at home. Not all that much different from the various pandemics we have survived through in the past. If you have taken care of yourself, watched what you put into you body and exercised daily, most likely you'll survive.

According to WHOM? (repeat, whom?) I have found no references at all that claim it is a form of influenza. Some do say it is similar to several viruses which cause the common cold. Also this, according to Encyclopædia Britannica:

What Is the Difference Between Influenza and COVID-19? | Britannica

I'm not sure what you call "very few", although it's definitely true that mortality rates rise with age. It's also true that the number of U.S. adults having hypertension is rising (currently approximately 45%, according to the CDC). Add in diabetes, asthma, obesity, etc and it gets more difficult to find those "under 65 with no underlying issues". If you want to risk your life and those of your friends and family, that is your decision. Just stay away from me and mine. Maybe wear a sign...

You may have misunderstood: this was a (semi-snarky) response to the part of sail33or's earlier post that advised that people still worried about COVID-19 "can avoid everyone that has resumed normal life" (also semi-snarky), but definitely not a literal suggestion. :icon_wink:


Still, where did this come from??? :shocked:

This virus is unlike any virus that has come before it. The experts of the management team are learning new things every day and giving us the best information that they have at the time. Sometimes that conflicts with previously given information but that it because they are learning new things.

The president is putting together a task force to re-open the economy. That does not mean that they are planning on doing anything soon. I'm sure that when these two panels of experts decided that it is safe to open some things, they will begin opening certain businesses in some areas with restrictions.

I assume that places like Morgantown, West Virginia will be able to have some businesses open with restrictions before those same types of businesses will be able to open in New York City.

This idea of a rolling opening makes perfect sense in a country as large and diverse as ours. Sweden and Switzerland do not have the same issues that we have. They are very small countries and are very much the same throughout.

I believe that both the federal government and our state government, in fact, most state governments have done an excellent job in fighting this pandemic. I believe that they'll make the right decisions on what to open when.

Your exact words - “Stay away from me. Maybe wear a sign”.

By the end of June current estimate is 27 million unemployed. COVID deaths projection by end of June 60,000 with that number expected to be revised downward on a weekly basis.

The pain and suffering associated with that number of unemployed will be with us for years and many of those unemployed will turn to drugs, alcohol, etc. the social consequences will be severe.

I’m ready to wear a sign, “Stay the f... away from me!”

If that gives you peace then go for it.

How many pandemics have you lived through, lol? You must be 1000 years old.

Winston, any idea when you'll be able to resume the Beatles group? I guess you won't need that bigger room now, right, as I'm assuming a lot of people will stay away indefinitely. It's going to be interesting to see how much momentum will be lost with all the Villages clubs. Inertia is a powerful thing.

Have you polled your members to see if they would come back, or is it too early for that? If I'm in TV, I'll be there on your reopening day!

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My concern is that, if you only open states that don't have many coronavirus cases, how do you prevent people from travelling to those states?

Lol, I am kidding, I think it is much easier to change your own behavior than other people’s.

But sometimes I would love to be like my mom. When the family went camping and there were mosquitoes around she’d step outside of the car and spray and spray and spray. I’d love to have can of anti-virus spray.

Notwithstanding it may sound facetious to say (not intended), but given that these states in question don't have many coronavirus cases, the assumption might be that not many are traveling to them. That said, there's always traveling through them, though.

We have to get the economy rolling again, the economy will only stand so much of this before it collapses. I would say most of the people living here do so from social security and investments. We got our statements for our IRA's the other day and WOW, we took a pretty good hit. There is no way you can live here just on SS so if your investments shrink what are you going to do? I do have a couple small pensions but if the economy gets bad enough even those might be reduced. With the whole world in the same boat as us we could possibly slide into a world wide depression if the situation is allowed to become worse. There are going to be a lot of small businesses that will fold and all those employees will be on unemployment. Most people work for small and medium businesses, not large corporations. With the potential of millions of people on unemployment and welfare where is the money going to come to pay for those social programs? Less spending equals less revenue, less revenue and there isn't enough money to pay for the aid.
I keep hearing as soon as we test everyone and find out who is infected then we can start opening the country up and go to work. This thought is a fallacy! There is close to 350 million people in the US, do you realize how long it will take to manufacture the tests, administer them and then get labs to provide the results? I have no idea because we don't have the infrastructure for something of this magnitude. OK so we test people and identify the sick ones and the uninfected ones. Two days later the uninfected ones pick up the virus and now what? Run a test on 350 million people every day to make sure we find all the infected people?
Let the younger people who aren't affected as much as us old folks get back to work and we stay at home until this blows over.
When the government runs out of money they will start to print more which will cause unbelievable inflation. The price for your $2.00 loaf of bread will rise due to the inflation and the value of the money will fall. Your investments/savings value won't increase and will be quickly depleted.
It's real easy to be retired drawing pensions and living off investments and demand that businesses stay closed whereas the working people who have mortgages, car payments, credit card bills and daily living expenses don't have that luxury. Watch some of the documentaries on the Great Depression with the soup lines and people living in tents. Are you comfortable with that, especially if you are standing in that soup line?

I so agree with you on the testing malarkey. One can be negative on Tuesday and positive on Thursday. We’re talking about those that test positive as if they have leprosy. At the end of the day, it’s a virus.

We have got to get life running again. Businesses need to open. We cannot live in exile much longer or we’ll be the United States of Venezuela.

Trump was asked by a reporter what was done by the federal government in the month of February to prepare for this pandemic. He cut her off at the knees and answered her question with "A lot".

What kind of an answer is that? Honestly, what did our federal government do to prepare for this pandemic in February and the first two weeks of March? I wish our president was more specific with his answer. I'd like to know too.

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I agree with you. There’s to much that we don’t know about the virus to criticize the govt. Just do as they ask. Just look at the Rep. & Dem. they can’t work together so we shouldn’t start sounding like we know how to handle this! Rep. & Dem. sound like we do here, making comments. To tough to explain, so I’m not going to criticize either party. Just do what you think you should do to be safe. If you’re out & about, stay the heck away from me. Don’t like what some people in Mich. are doing right now.

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2 yrs. is a long time not to be able to hug your kids & grandkids! In 2 yrs. we could be all dead or bowing down to another country. Worse yet the whole world could be dead or we could be a World War with every country fighting each other.

Lives lost how? From the virus or from suicide, depression and domestic violence from staying home and not working?

Boy,what a selfish attitude. News flash - not everyone has been imbued with good health, no matter how well they ate and exercised. There are cancer patients, people born with diabetes, all other sorts of other medically compromised people walking around that will not do well if they contract Covid - in fact many will die. They have to go in public for certain activities - doctor appointments for example, so it is impossible for them to avoid coming into contact with other people. If there are people who are asymptomatic and are also carrying the virus, they can be spreading it to others without realizing it.

The body count will be the collateral damage to save the economy.....and for most here that is acceptable. We now wait for the Governor to apply the CDC recommendations laid out this afternoon. Will be interesting.