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Bill14564 06-09-2023 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2224894)
There is no such document, because the Declarant (the Developer) is not OBLIGATED to enforce their deed restrictions. They MAY enforce them. They have granted themselves permission to enforce them, if they so choose. It's an option.

Just like you, the homeowner, are not -obligated- to seek enforcement if your neighbor has a lawn ornament. You MAY seek it. But you don't have to, if you personally don't object to it being there.

Exactly my point. Those who say, "the Developer is not enforcing the restrictions," don't seem to understand what you wrote.

golfing eagles 06-09-2023 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2224904)
No, it's not. This is the rule:


So - it's not a prerequisite at all. They have to learn it, but they don't have to show up already knowing it. And there are exceptions, as specified above. A mute won't be required to know how to speak English. A blind person won't be required to know how to read English. A deaf person won't be required to know how to understand English.
A deaf blind mute won't be required to do any of the three.

If they're over 50 years old, they're exempt from the requirement.

There are other exemptions. But generally speaking, "it'll be on the test." It's something they have to learn as part of the process of becoming a citizen. It's not something they have to know when they get to the border.

They don’t need to know anything when they get to the border except how to cross illegally, thereby committing a felony against the citizens of the United States. Talk about not enforcing “deed restrictions” 😂😂😂

PugMom 06-09-2023 09:39 AM

@ OP: we have had workers on occasion staying in the rental next door to us. it gives the worker a place to stay while working on construction nearby. the last time, it was 1 guy, possibly late 20's, early 30's, & was very quiet, bothering no one. so i guess it's not unheard of, but i never saw 6 of them, lol.it would be pretty small for that many workers!

shopnstop 06-09-2023 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2224460)
Well, those people weren’t paying rent. They were kidnapped and held hostage for ransom. Then they were rescued.

REALLY? Bet you don't live 'next-door'!

Normal 06-09-2023 11:01 AM

Lol
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2224904)
No, it's not. This is the rule:


So - it's not a prerequisite at all. They have to learn it, but they don't have to show up already knowing it. And there are exceptions, as specified above. A mute won't be required to know how to speak English. A blind person won't be required to know how to read English. A deaf person won't be required to know how to understand English.
A deaf blind mute won't be required to do any of the three.

If they're over 50 years old, they're exempt from the requirement.

There are other exemptions. But generally speaking, "it'll be on the test." It's something they have to learn as part of the process of becoming a citizen. It's not something they have to know when they get to the border.


Except all tests and directions are in English. One of the examinations is an English proficiency exam. There is also a detailed civics exam. Essay answers must be written in English. An applicant has two chances before being denied citizenship.

Bill14564 06-09-2023 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2224962)
Except all tests and directions are in English. One of the examinations is an English proficiency exam. There is also a detailed civics exam. Essay answers must be written in English. An applicant has two chances before being denied citizenship.


Please take a moment to research the claims you are making:

From the USCIS Exceptions and Accommodations page:
You will be permitted to take the civics test in your native language.

Normal 06-09-2023 11:16 AM

N-68
 
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2224967)
Please take a moment to research the claims you are making:

From the USCIS Exceptions and Accommodations page:
You will be permitted to take the civics test in your native language.

Of course if you have a mental, special needs or physical disability, you can apply for a special exemption. You must apply for the exemption on a US Form N-68.

Caymus 06-09-2023 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2224962)
Except all tests and directions are in English. One of the examinations is an English proficiency exam. There is also a detailed civics exam. Essay answers must be written in English. An applicant has two chances before being denied citizenship.

What % are actually denied?

Bill14564 06-09-2023 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2224880)
Of course all US citizens must be able to read and write in English. It is a prerequisite for US citizen applicants.

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2224904)
No, it's not. This is the rule:


So - it's not a prerequisite at all. They have to learn it, but they don't have to show up already knowing it. And there are exceptions, as specified above. A mute won't be required to know how to speak English. A blind person won't be required to know how to read English. A deaf person won't be required to know how to understand English.
A deaf blind mute won't be required to do any of the three.

If they're over 50 years old, they're exempt from the requirement.

There are other exemptions. But generally speaking, "it'll be on the test." It's something they have to learn as part of the process of becoming a citizen. It's not something they have to know when they get to the border.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2224962)
Except all tests and directions are in English. One of the examinations is an English proficiency exam. There is also a detailed civics exam. Essay answers must be written in English. An applicant has two chances before being denied citizenship.

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2224968)
Of course if you have a mental, special needs or physical disability, you can apply for a special exemption. You must apply for the exemption on a US Form N-68.

So maybe not ALL US citizens must be able to read and write English. And maybe not ALL tests and directions are in English. And maybe not ALL essay answers must be written in English.

And from the link above, the exceptions to the English requirement are:
You are exempt from the English language requirement, but are still required to take the civics test if you are:

Age 50 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident (Green Card holder) in the United States for 20 years (commonly referred to as the “50/20” exception).
OR
Age 55 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident in the United States for 15 years (commonly referred to as the “55/15” exception).
Again, please research the claims you are making.

Escape Artist 06-09-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2224397)
Based on the number of occupants they could be in violation of occupancy laws. I wonder if the landlord knows what is going on?

50 illegal immigrants were stashed in an ABQ apartment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuclXMKSpJs

Yes, that’s what I thought. Six people in a villa? When I rented a villa before moving here it was made clear the rental was for two people only and you needed to pay more and get permission for one or two more occupants.

Escape Artist 06-09-2023 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2224904)
No, it's not. This is the rule:


So - it's not a prerequisite at all. They have to learn it, but they don't have to show up already knowing it. And there are exceptions, as specified above. A mute won't be required to know how to speak English. A blind person won't be required to know how to read English. A deaf person won't be required to know how to understand English.
A deaf blind mute won't be required to do any of the three.

If they're over 50 years old, they're exempt from the requirement.

There are other exemptions. But generally speaking, "it'll be on the test." It's something they have to learn as part of the process of becoming a citizen. It's not something they have to know when they get to the border.

You’re missing the point of the OP’s post. The issue is there are workers who aren’t vacationing in TV so it’s akin to a boarding house and there are six people in one very small house coming and going perhaps in various vehicles. The part about them not speaking English might be the OP’s frustration attempting to communicate with them and trying to ascertain what’s going on.

Normal 06-09-2023 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2224976)
So maybe not ALL US citizens must be able to read and write English. And maybe not ALL tests and directions are in English. And maybe not ALL essay answers must be written in English.

And from the link above, the exceptions to the English requirement are:
You are exempt from the English language requirement, but are still required to take the civics test if you are:

Age 50 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident (Green Card holder) in the United States for 20 years (commonly referred to as the “50/20” exception).
OR
Age 55 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident in the United States for 15 years (commonly referred to as the “55/15” exception).
Again, please research the claims you are making.

True, low IQs, those over 55 and the physically handicapped are waived from knowing English. “All” is a generalized term. The exception window is very limited, thank you.

Obviously the OP seems to imply these are able bodied, cognizant immigrants who work in the original post. There is no indication of several handicapped, special needs immigrants living together that as contracted workers?

Plmailman 06-09-2023 04:08 PM

Village hotel
 
The home next me was sold in January. It is a ****. Sometimes one night rentals. This is not what I signed up for when I moved in.

retiredguy123 06-09-2023 04:29 PM

It makes me wonder. Why doesn't The Villages fix this problem with a few rental rules.

Pairadocs 06-09-2023 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2224391)
Would it be less of a problem if the renters spoke English?

Most deed restrictions do not prohibit rentals of any length of time. Renting is not the type of business prohibited in the restrictions.

Had the same thought about what language the renters speak, (assuming you were thinking along the lines of cultural prejudice ?) what would it matter what language people speak who come here to rent in a retirement community. But then as I considered it further: perhaps the person asking was not really coming from some kind of "racist" position (it seems that is the only conclusion we "jump to" these days), so I thought about it much further:

I've met many people from many countries, over the years, who own or rent property here in the V's and every single one of them spoke excellent English. They met and talked with all the neighbors, and seemed happy to do so and share interesting aspects of their country. Next thought was, the renters specified are working here on short term projects, not "snowbirds or vacationers here for the golf, which to me would indicate they are (probably not ?) 55 or older. Which made me think, doesn't at least one occupant of the residence have to be over 55 (if I understand correctly, this is a requirement to gain certain state and federal advantages to being a 55 "community", but I could be wrong on that), so on the surface this would appear to be younger workers (crews that often stay in motels and not private homes ?), and finally, although it's not certain, I've noticed that those individuals who are legal U.S. citizens (among them, restaurant owners, motel owners, and an account I met from Ukraine, and many others I've talked with) seem to learn to speak English in a reasonable period of time. None of these circumstances mentioned, seem, in isolation, to indicate anything "wrong", but together things like working daily, speaking do English, probably not meeting age requirement, short term renting, and didn't state, but how MANY living in one home ? I consider myself open minded, but this really does not seem to belong in a restricted community for seniors ? When the camel gets it's nose under the tent... we all know how that one ends.


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