[JoMar]

The VCDD meeting on November 1 will change the service agreement between the various owners of the golf courses to consolidate and appropriate revenue between the various owners. This will most likely change how we pay for the trail passes and possible changes to the tee time reservations. The cover sheet and the agreement can be found at Coversheet.

[HIgolfers]

So now priority members will now have to pay an additional $140 per year to play exec courses. A post on Next door encouraged folks to attend the PWAC meeting on Nov 8 at 830 am at Seabreeze where this will be discussed. After reading this I’m not sure whether this plan is open for debate.

[Goldwingnut]

There are several items in the agreement as written that are not in the best interest of the residents that will be discussed at the Monday PWAC meeting. I have my copy of agreement marked up with the issues and am ready to go to bat to protect the resident's interest.

As written, I cannot support the approval of the agreement. PWAC could (and should) not approve it as written. Of course, SLCDD could approve it as written marking the first time they have ever overridden the PWAC. With this however goes them owning it lock, stock, and barrel as well as the wrath of the residents, something I doubt they really want. SLCDD likes having the PWAC buffer between them and the residents.

We shall see how this turns out.

[TSO/ISPF]

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

There are several items in the agreement as written that are not in the best interest of the residents that will be discussed at the Monday PWAC meeting. I have my copy of agreement marked up with the issues and am ready to go to bat to protect the resident's interest.

As written, I cannot support the approval of the agreement. PWAC could (and should) not approve it as written. Of course, SLCDD could approve it as written marking the first time they have ever overridden the PWAC. With this however goes them owning it lock, stock, and barrel as well as the wrath of the residents, something I doubt they really want. SLCDD likes having the PWAC buffer between them and the residents.

We shall see how this turns out.

Any chance you could elaborate on the points you see as unacceptable. I don't like to see the trail fee's removed from the priority membership, unless the cost of a priority membership is reduced. Not sure if that is what was said in the cover letter.

Thanks for those great YouTube drone videos by the way.

[tophcfa]

Interesting read. I view some proposed changes as favorable to residents and others not so much. One thing that seems to really jump out is that the convoluted ownership and governing structure has so many involved parties, with different acronyms, it is extremely difficult for residents to really have a full understanding of what’s going on. My suspicion tells me this is all part of the master plan, to avoid transparency and allow carte blanche control.

[HIgolfers]

Good to hear Goldwingnut.

[Dcurrie911]

What I find interesting is that the executive courses south of 44 will not be owned by a special purpose government like VCCDD. They will be owned by various villages companies.

[Priebehouse]

You go Wingnut!

[MidWestIA]

Money hassle between The Villages (Morse) and the VCDD?

[Goldwingnut]

Originally Posted by Dcurrie911

What I find interesting is that the executive courses south of 44 will not be owned by a special purpose government like VCCDD. They will be owned by various villages companies.

It's always that way. The developer will continue to own the executive courses and all rec centers and recreation facilities for probably another decade. There comes a point where they will sell them to a governmental body (commercial district usually and for many good reasons). While they are building an area, they continue own the recreation facilities. Best logical guess, once building is completed to 470 and all work is south of it, then they will sell it to the Eastport Community Development District.

Amenities between CR466 and SR44 did not become owned by a government body (SLCDD) until 2016 when construction started south of SR44.

Don't worry about the ownership, it doesn't affect the play or use thanks to the agreements that are in place.

[jrieker68]

Originally Posted by HIgolfers

So now priority members will now have to pay an additional $140 per year to play exec courses. A post on Next door encouraged folks to attend the PWAC meeting on Nov 8 at 830 am at Seabreeze where this will be discussed. After reading this I’m not sure whether this plan is open for debate.

I rarely, if ever, play executive courses so I would rather not pay a trail fee for those courses, just pay the $6 per round if I were to play. Just like I'm not a fan of having to pay country club pool membership in my priority fee when I never use the pools.

[Outdoors]

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

It's always that way. The developer will continue to own the executive courses and all rec centers and recreation facilities for probably another decade. There comes a point where they will sell them to a governmental body (commercial district usually and for many good reasons). While they are building an area, they continue own the recreation facilities. Best logical guess, once building is completed to 470 and all work is south of it, then they will sell it to the Eastport Community Development District.

Amenities between CR466 and SR44 did not become owned by a government body (SLCDD) until 2016 when construction started south of SR44.

Don't worry about the ownership, it doesn't affect the play or use thanks to the agreements that are in place.

Goldwingnut, thanks for your service representing the residents of The Villages. In the past you have been a strong proponent of ensuring The Villages remains "The Villages" and not The Villages - Original and Everyone else. I feel it is important and one of the great strengths of The Villages, to maintain our All For One and One For All makes up. Whether this is about the same amenity fee, the same trail fee or even the same access to all of what The Villages has to offer. Not something where we are divided for our own interests. If we divide ourselves and lose the continuity, we become just like all the other separate communities outside of The Villages.

While it may be true that someone from the very southern area of The Villages may not go to facilities and services on the very northern end or vice versa, the fact they CAN (on a golf cart even) and without anything special is what makes The Villages special and unique.

Thanks again for your service.

[Jokomo]

Originally Posted by HIgolfers

So now priority members will now have to pay an additional $140 per year to play exec courses. A post on Next door encouraged folks to attend the PWAC meeting on Nov 8 at 830 am at Seabreeze where this will be discussed. After reading this I’m not sure whether this plan is open for debate.

And it looks like the agreement will include a new, and escalating, reservation fee for most tee times.

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

There are several items in the agreement as written that are not in the best interest of the residents that will be discussed at the Monday PWAC meeting. I have my copy of agreement marked up with the issues and am ready to go to bat to protect the resident's interest.

As written, I cannot support the approval of the agreement. PWAC could (and should) not approve it as written. Of course, SLCDD could approve it as written marking the first time they have ever overridden the PWAC. With this however goes them owning it lock, stock, and barrel as well as the wrath of the residents, something I doubt they really want. SLCDD likes having the PWAC buffer between them and the residents.

We shall see how this turns out.

Thanks for looking out for the little man, Don.

[Daddymac]

Originally Posted by JoMar

The VCDD meeting on November 1 will change the service agreement between the various owners of the golf courses to consolidate and appropriate revenue between the various owners. This will most likely change how we pay for the trail passes and possible changes to the tee time reservations. The cover sheet and the agreement can be found at Coversheet.

the Parties agree that they shall work together in good faith to establish a uniform charge for Trail Passes, together with annual increases thereto equal to the cumulative change in the Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers over the twelve-month period that is between three and fifteen months prior to the annual increase.