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biker1 07-07-2017 05:53 PM

That is not what the law says.

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1421711)
The next time you have your automobile serviced remind them
To make sure your auto won't go any faster than the national speed limit
Or they will be breaking the law


OpusX1 07-07-2017 06:27 PM

This law is only applicable on roadways. I have never heard of some one getting a ticket for speeding on the multi modal paths or the golf course. The law is not applicable at all on private property. You can go as fast as you want on private property in a golf cart or a car. The mechanic would not be held responsible if he souped a car or cart to go 200 mph and someone got killed at a drag strip.
My cart goes 19 mph.

ColdNoMore 07-07-2017 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OpusX1 (Post 1421806)
This law is only applicable on roadways. I have never heard of some one getting a ticket for speeding on the multi modal paths or the golf course. The law is not applicable at all on private property. You can go as fast as you want on private property in a golf cart or a car. The mechanic would not be held responsible if he souped a car or cart to go 200 mph and someone got killed at a drag strip.
My cart goes 19 mph.

Don't forget that every road in each of the different Villages (except CYV's)...are public.

Then of course, the most likely spots of getting popped would be roads like Morris Blvd...where you're driving on the edge of the roadway.

I've also heard of the police setting up traps on heavily used areas...where the cart lane is part of the roadway.

DonH57 07-07-2017 06:41 PM

Great news! I can now continue developing wharp drive propulsion and cloaking shield capability on our cart!

OpusX1 07-07-2017 06:52 PM

The mechanic can not be held responsible as he/ she does not know what the use of the cart is. I am sure some of the farms around here have bought carts from dealers where the use is intirely on private property. Carts can be modified to go really fast, like over 120 mph in a quarter mile.
PQ Golf Cart sets World Speed Record @ 118.76 mph - YouTube
According to the op this company is breaking the law. Making a cart go over 20 mph.

Mleeja 07-07-2017 08:48 PM

I find it surprising that a golf cart dealer in Sumter Counrty would agree to set the speed faster than 20 miles per hour? I seem to recall not all that long ago the Sumter County Sheriff sent a letter to all golf cart dealers in Sumter County informing them of the current laws and regulations for the speed of golf carts, verses low speed vehicles. Setting the speed in excess of 20 mph could make them liable. If one has a burning desire to know this information, do a search of this topic on this website, they would probably find the exact letter and date.

Me I don't really care. I'll just chug along at 20 mpg, with a good tail wind.

Carl in Tampa 07-07-2017 10:10 PM

No National Speed Limit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1421711)
The next time you have your automobile serviced remind them
To make sure your auto won't go any faster than the national speed limit
Or they will be breaking the law

There is no "national speed limit." Jimmy Carter accomplished a national 55 mph speed limit for a while to try to save gasoline, and threatened states that did not want to comply with loss of federal funds.

But, that ended, and now each state sets its own speed limits as it sees fit. Interestingly, Hawaii has the lowest at 60 mph. Then Alaska and some of the New England States have a 65 mph limit.

Most of the rest of the states East of the Mississippi River have a 70 mph limit. (Maine and Michigan are 75.)

Texas and most of the states north of it are at 75 except South Dakota. There is a stretch of Texas from San Antonio to the west to El Paso that has an 80 mph limit. Really interesting in a highway from San Antonio to Dallas where the limit is 85, the highest in the U.S.

The limit is 75 in the open spaces of Montana, Wyoming, Utah, South Dakota, Colorado and Nevada. California and Oregon are a more sedate 70. Washington state is 75.

(I realize your post was sarcastic.)

Carl in Tampa 07-07-2017 10:17 PM

Other Charges
 
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Originally Posted by OpusX1 (Post 1421806)
This law is only applicable on roadways. I have never heard of some one getting a ticket for speeding on the multi modal paths or the golf course. The law is not applicable at all on private property. You can go as fast as you want on private property in a golf cart or a car. The mechanic would not be held responsible if he souped a car or cart to go 200 mph and someone got killed at a drag strip.
My cart goes 19 mph.

Your statement is not technically entirely correct.

Most parking lots at shopping centers and malls are private property. But, a driver cannot go as fast as he might want to if the speed he drives might amount to "reckless endangerment" of the lives and safety of others. You are correct that the charge will not be "speeding," but it is likely to be a much more serious charge relating to risking hurting or killing others.

Carl in Tampa 07-07-2017 10:40 PM

I don't see the violation.
 
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1421686)
I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

You present two false analogies. There is a specific law against selling a gun to a convicted felon, and a specific law forbidding selling booze to a 12 year old.

There is no law against increasing the speed capability of a golf cart.

I have an old Cadillac that reputedly is capable of 150 mph (although the computer brain cannot be set for that unless the appropriate tires are mounted on the car) and I still maintain a sedate 70 mph on Florida highways. If I were to have the adjustment made and drive at 150 mph and have an untoward event, the dealership would have no liability, nor would the Cadillac company.

It is not illegal for the dealership to set the computer for 150 if the appropriate tires are on the car. It is still a motor vehicle and subject to all laws regarding motor vehicles.

It is not illegal for a golf cart dealership to set a cart to exceed 20 mph. But, if the cart is capable of exceeding 20 mph it no longer meets the Florida definition of a golf cart and cannot legally be operated as a golf cart. That means no operating on the pavement within the individual villages where golf carts are permitted to operate.

Also, it does not automatically become a LSV if it is capable of exceeding 20 mph. You must pay the state a fee to convert it, and comply with other licensing and registration laws.

If you feel strongly that the local Sheriff or the State of Florida should know of the actions of Gordon's, and that they are in violation of the law, by all means make a report.

Chi33 07-07-2017 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1421845)
I find it surprising that a golf cart dealer in Sumter Counrty would agree to set the speed faster than 20 miles per hour? I seem to recall not all that long ago the Sumter County Sheriff sent a letter to all golf cart dealers in Sumter County informing them of the current laws and regulations for the speed of golf carts, verses low speed vehicles. Setting the speed in excess of 20 mph could make them liable. If one has a burning desire to know this information, do a search of this topic on this website, they would probably find the exact letter and date.

Me I don't really care. I'll just chug along at 20 mpg, with a good tail wind.

I am sorry. but I hope they know who you are or can set a timeline to know you. I know the people there and they are very kind people. The is no legal limit someone can set your cart to do,. You have a warranty and insurance. Personally I heard someone came for repairs and had their cart boosted over 25 pre repair and they warned them that they wouldn't service them again. IMHO, I think the speed limit is 19-20, and the warranty is void over 25. So, you can be set at 24 and if you choose to, then what happens will happen. Also, this is a stupid thread and disrespecting a group that helps so many.

And seriously 18 20 22? Really. We aren't talking 18 to 35

oh, and isn't the Villages full of adults?

daverobertson2000 07-08-2017 05:31 AM

my rental 4 seater does 24.9 when im alone but with four large adults i cant reach 20. If it was pre set at 20 i would barely be crawling with it loaded

rustyp 07-08-2017 05:47 AM

Amazing how much attention a couple mph gets. Who cares? Truth be known most of the chapter and verse declarations sited here probably have roots in not being able to cope with another cart passing you. The silent majority just can't cope with others pushing to the front of the line.

birdiebill 07-08-2017 06:03 AM

I think there is some misunderstanding here. First, the speed of the golf carts purchased at The Villages golf cart garages are not automatically set to exceed 20 mph. Second, the governor is only increased to over 20 mph if the customer wants it to and signs the "waiver" agreement. It is not illegal to have a cart set to exceed 20.

Third, if the owner has the governor set to exceed 20, as the driver/owner, he/she is solely responsible for the speed capability and the speed driven. Since the cart can now exceed 20 mph, it is no longer considered a golf cart, but is considered a low speed vehicle by Florida law. For the owner to be legally using it, he/she must register it and license it with the state of Florida and must have insurance. Failure to do so falls on the owner. If anyone does not want to have their cart fall under the low speed vehicle law, don't have the governor set to exceed 20 mph. As a cart owner who has a speedometer and who gets passed often when on the MMP's and diamond lane streets, it is apparent that many people here have illegal low speed vehicles looking like golf carts, especially since almost all have no current Florida registered license plate. The choice is with the owner of the cart.

Villageswimmer 07-08-2017 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1421912)
Amazing how much attention a couple mph gets. Who cares? Truth be known most of the chapter and verse declarations sited here probably have roots in not being able to cope with another cart passing you. The silent majority just can't cope with others pushing to the front of the line.


Who cares?
Law enforcement
Your insurance company and attorneys if involved in an accident

rustyp 07-08-2017 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1421918)
Who cares?
Law enforcement
Your insurance company and attorneys if involved in an accident

Yea - I've noticed the courts have a full docket of golf cart speeding cases.


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