[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

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The "Priority Membership" is now the "Enhanced Membership". Neat semantics.

The Villages Championship golf courses generate approximately $300,000/day in Greens Fees alone during peak season.

Figuring in some paid carts, range balls, lunches, drinks, etc. ... the number probably approaches $400,000.

Geez, I wonder what would happen if we all took a day off from golf? I bet they'd notice. ������

Where did you come up with the $300,000 per day in greens fees during peak season for the 13 championship courses combined?

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by John Mayes

Where did you come up with the $300,000 per day in greens fees during peak season for the 13 championship courses combined?

You're welcome to check my math, I did it this morning before coffee:

There are approximately 90 Tee Times per 27 Hole Golf Course in Prime Time (1st/2nd Wave). That equals 360 Players per course. There are (10) 27 Hole courses. That equals 3600 players.

Between 8 a.m. & 3:00 PM there are 57 Tee Times at the 18 hole courses. 228 Players/course/per day. That totals 684 Players

Total Play = 4300/day. I calculated the Average Greens Fee Yield = $70. Multiply 4300 players at $70 and you get $301,000.00

Not every Tee Time has a foursome and there are some 9 holers. That said, the cheapest 18 Hole Rate is OBH at $34 + the fees paid for "Enhanced Membership". The lowest rate at most course is $67 (or $49 + Enhanced Membership"). Guest & Non-Resident is substantially higher. Again, I estimated the yield at $70. It could be $62 or even $59. That doesn't change the equation very much.

How much does the "average" golfer spend when he plays golf? Some % take carts. Guests take carts. Many have a beer or lunch ... or, 12 beers and no lunch. How many people take "practice balls"? I figured about $20 a person. It could be less.

If the actually yield is only $50/Person for Greens Fees and the average player spends only $10, the daily total is still $275,000/Day. That's nearly $2,000,000 per week. I'd say that's a significant Cash Cow for the Developer.

Just to give you some basis for comparison, there were 2,562,000 rounds of golf played on The Villages 42 Executive Courses in 2022. That's 167 (9 Hole) Rounds per day. An 18 Hole Championship Course can handle upwards of 250 Players per day and a 27 Hole facility can handle over 375 per day.

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by arickis

This "32" rule also applies to the executive courses, and that is why it is so hard to get a tee time. There are no tee times available three days in advance on any ANY executive course in The Villages due to the special groups of 32 or more. A lot of the groups have ghost golfers who do not play but their Id numbers are used to fill the 32 quota. This starts in January and runs through April now. Renters are the main problem.

I removed my comment. I was incorrect.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by MSchad

You know not of what you speak.

The 32 person rule does include the Executives. BUT
It’s Summers only and tee times from 1:02 to 7:00.

I will try to post a link to golf the villages dot com - but don’t think TOTV will allow it

Golf The Villages

Google this “Executive Course Summer Group Play”

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

The 32 person rule does include the Executives. BUT
It’s Summers only and tee times from 1:02 to 7:00.

I will try to post a link to golf the villages dot com - but don’t think TOTV will allow it

Golf The Villages

Google this “Executive Course Summer Group Play”

I don't know much about the Executive Courses, I've never played one.

Just for the heck of it, I just checked the Open Tee Times for 10 different Execs, tomorrow.

There were less than 6 available spots before 4 pm, on the (10) I checked. That's mind boggling to me.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I don't know much about the Executive Courses, I've never played one.

Just for the heck of it, I just checked the Open Tee Times for 10 different Execs, tomorrow.

There were less than 6 available spots before 4 pm, on the (10) I checked. That's mind boggling to me.

The 32 person tee times at the EXECUTIVES ARE ONLY IN THE SUMMER and afternoon tee times in the summer.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

You're welcome to check my math, I did it this morning before coffee:

There are approximately 90 Tee Times per 27 Hole Golf Course in Prime Time (1st/2nd Wave). That equals 360 Players per course. There are (10) 27 Hole courses. That equals 3600 players.

Between 8 a.m. & 3:00 PM there are 57 Tee Times at the 18 hole courses. 228 Players/course/per day. That totals 684 Players

Total Play = 4300/day. I calculated the Average Greens Fee Yield = $70. Multiply 4300 players at $70 and you get $301,000.00

Not every Tee Time has a foursome and there are some 9 holers. That said, the cheapest 18 Hole Rate is OBH at $34 + the fees paid for "Enhanced Membership". The lowest rate at most course is $67 (or $49 + Enhanced Membership"). Guest & Non-Resident is substantially higher. Again, I estimated the yield at $70. It could be $62 or even $59. That doesn't change the equation very much.

How much does the "average" golfer spend when he plays golf? Some % take carts. Guests take carts. Many have a beer or lunch ... or, 12 beers and no lunch. How many people take "practice balls"? I figured about $20 a person. It could be less.

If the actually yield is only $50/Person for Greens Fees and the average player spends only $10, the daily total is still $275,000/Day. That's nearly $2,000,000 per week. I'd say that's a significant Cash Cow for the Developer.

Just to give you some basis for comparison, there were 2,562,000 rounds of golf played on The Villages 42 Executive Courses in 2022. That's 167 (9 Hole) Rounds per day. An 18 Hole Championship Course can handle upwards of 250 Players per day and a 27 Hole facility can handle over 375 per day.

You're assuming that all the tee-times are filled. That is NOT the case on the championship courses... Not even in the busy season...

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You're assuming that all the tee-times are filled. That is NOT the case on the championship courses... Not even in the busy season...

As of right now, there are 16 single spots open at Palmer tomorrow, between the hours of 8 am - 2 pm.

There are 12 single spots open at Cane Garden.

There are 28 spots available at Mallory.

There are 14 spots available at Belle Glade.

By tomorrow, there'll be nary a spot available at any of those courses.

[Tyson]

The Monday Wednesday and Friday groups I play with ALL must be priority. The Wednesday group usually has about 48 players, taking 2 nines on 1 course.

[Janie123]

I believe the 32+ group of golfers is for summer only and is for after 1:00PM. And it’s only for approx 2/3 of the executive courses.

Golf The Villages

[swooner]

This thread has digressed from the original intent of the Post. It has nothing to do with Executive Golf. It pertains only to Championship Golf where Priority Members rights are being violated by groups not adhering to the principles of the Tee Time System. I have also learned that many of these groups have less than 32 members and are still being allowed to play without using the Tee Time System. Anyone who has paid for a priority membership should complain to Golf Administration as rights you have paid good money for are being infringed on by this dubious 32 player privilege stupidity.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by swooner

This thread has digressed from the original intent of the Post. It has nothing to do with Executive Golf. It pertains only to Championship Golf where Priority Members rights are being violated by groups not adhering to the principles of the Tee Time System. I have also learned that many of these groups have less than 32 members and are still being allowed to play without using the Tee Time System. Anyone who has paid for a priority membership should complain to Golf Administration as rights you have paid good money for are being infringed on by this dubious 32 player privilege stupidity.

Swooned, did you find out if you need a priority enhancement to participate or if this is a de facto work around for priority?

[JGibson]

Maybe they should get rid of priority/enhanced all together.

[swooner]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Swooned, did you find out if you need a priority enhancement to participate or if this is a de facto work around for priority?

A number of players in these privileged groups are NOT Priority members!

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Janie123

I believe the 32+ group of golfers is for summer only and is for after 1:00PM. And it’s only for approx 2/3 of the executive courses.

Golf The Villages

That would be wrong and as another Poster remarked, the original post is unrelated to Executive Courses.