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Cobullymom 03-31-2021 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1923240)
The Villages VP of Sales Jennifer Parr revealed a few interesting facts in the first day of testimony in a federal trial Monday in federal court in Tampa:

• Parr said under oath that The Villages will double in size and that State Road 44 is now seen by the Morse family as the geographic center of the community.

Great, why does that upset people? So if you don’t want to visit those new areas stay where you are. It simply means more opportunities for those who own and live here. If you don’t like the sprawl, feel free to move. Each area has its own character and specialty, some areas are bustling with lots of retail, some are more directed towards recreational use, and some are quiet residential areas, no one forces anyone to go beyond what you enjoy. I don’t understand why people are so afraid of growth. Good for the Morse family for continuing to design and add to The Villages.

dewilson58 03-31-2021 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 1923720)
Great, why does that upset people?

Because some people just want to complain and some just hate The Villages and some hate the success of owners.


The information the OP state is nothing new.

MandoMan 03-31-2021 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1923249)
Double today's population that will make The Villages the fourth largest metro area in population in Florida
1 Jacksonville
2 Miami
3 Tampa
4 The Villages

I don’t care as long as The Villages remains as beautiful, pleasant, and relaxed as it is now. If it were to become as crowded and crime- ridden as those other cities, I would be very unhappy. This is The Good Place. I love it.

banjobob 03-31-2021 06:13 AM

Growth will stop probably when no more land is available. The Villages concept is a winner and more want to become a part of it. Unless uncle Joe sinks the ship it will continue.

Malsua 03-31-2021 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 1923720)
Great, why does that upset people? So if you don’t want to visit those new areas stay where you are. It simply means more opportunities for those who own and live here. If you don’t like the sprawl, feel free to move. Each area has its own character and specialty, some areas are bustling with lots of retail, some are more directed towards recreational use, and some are quiet residential areas, no one forces anyone to go beyond what you enjoy. I don’t understand why people are so afraid of growth. Good for the Morse family for continuing to design and add to The Villages.

Hey! Those people 30 miles away are having fun, this cannot stand!

I live around Spanish Springs and adding thousands of more homes on the other side of the turnpike has really bumped up the cart traffic. Heck, around Christmas I has to wait an extra 2-3 seconds one day just to get on the Multi-modal path. When will the madness end! Oh, wait, the bridge wasn't open yet then. Nevermind.

dewilson58 03-31-2021 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1923533)
Related to growth ? I predict in the future our water bill in this area (like Las Vegas is today) will be our biggest monthly expense.

Fake News.


Price of Water 2014: Up 6 Percent in 30 Major U.S. Cities; 33 Percent Rise Since 2010 - Circle of Blue

algi45 03-31-2021 06:19 AM

No. The original promise was to stop at 466A! And that we would have a real hospital in that area. And on and on...

Fredster 03-31-2021 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1923734)
I don’t care as long as The Villages remains as beautiful, pleasant, and relaxed as it is now. If it were to become as crowded and crime- ridden as those other cities, I would be very unhappy. This is The Good Place. I love it.

Apparently a lot of people feel TV is a good place!

jimkerr 03-31-2021 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1923240)
The Villages VP of Sales Jennifer Parr revealed a few interesting facts in the first day of testimony in a federal trial Monday in federal court in Tampa:

• Parr said under oath that The Villages will double in size and that State Road 44 is now seen by the Morse family as the geographic center of the community.

No surprise there. It’s a great time to buy in The Villages!

dewilson58 03-31-2021 06:34 AM

Never Promised You A Rose Garden




I Never Promised You A Rose Garden- Lynn Anderson - YouTube


:a040:

acornhome 03-31-2021 06:41 AM

Where did you read this?

mlmarr1 03-31-2021 06:42 AM

No money in squares only expenses...just homes... $$$$

dewilson58 03-31-2021 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by acornhome (Post 1923770)
Where did you read this?

Who you asking??


:shrug:

mlmarr1 03-31-2021 06:44 AM

Villages is a corporation..either love it or leave it.. live your life or move on..

JoeManz99 03-31-2021 06:46 AM

They won't stop until the Villages reaches Orlando !!!

bluecenturian 03-31-2021 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1923271)
I'm not sure what type of time-frame she's referencing, but for the next +-20 years we expect to still be around, we're comfortable with buying between 466 and 466A, as we view that area as still being "the geographic center of the community."



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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1923249)
Double today's population that will make The Villages the fourth largest metro area in population in Florida
1 Jacksonville
2 Miami
3 Tampa
4 The Villages

Where exactly did you get your info from.

Orange County has 1.4 million people, Sumter 136,000. Orange growth rate is 0.83%/sumter 2.36%. Quick rounding off of Sumter having a 2.00% greater increase would require at least 35 years steady growth rate by both areas for Sumter to eclipse Orange. That’s quite a bit of speculation.

bluecenturian 03-31-2021 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by j_vermilya (Post 1923244)
I wish they could've asked under oath, wasn't the original promise that the development would stop at 44?

So your real question is, why doesn’t the federal government restrict private people/companies from making a profit. I bet you would be happy in Venezuela or Russia or another socialist country. Give it a try.

lindaelane 03-31-2021 06:56 AM

This is land area, not population, that is why "Jacksonville" is number one. Miami has far more people.

Uncle Pepe 03-31-2021 06:57 AM

The more the merrier
 


As one of the entertainers here in the Villages my duo "In Motion" welcomes the chance to have more opportunities to entertain a larger audience.

If the Villages can provide equal services to all it will be fun to see how it grows.

vintageogauge 03-31-2021 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by algi45 (Post 1923744)
No. The original promise was to stop at 466A! And that we would have a real hospital in that area. And on and on...

Read today's Daily Sun, you are getting a real hospital on 466A.

vintageogauge 03-31-2021 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mlmarr1 (Post 1923773)
No money in squares only expenses...just homes... $$$$

So you're saying there is no profit for them from the rental income from all of the retail stores and restaurants on the squares?? What exactly are the expenses for the developer within the squares??

billethkid 03-31-2021 07:24 AM

If TV does not develop adjacent properties to it's current development(s)........some other not so conscientious/responsible developer(s) WILL!!!!!

stargirl 03-31-2021 07:29 AM

I’m moved here from Tampa. I hope to one day move back but still live in the Villages!

ribil 03-31-2021 07:35 AM

That can’t possibly be true! When we bought in 2011 and they were preparing to start construction below 466A, we were told that that “final build out will be completed in 2015”! LIES. ALL LIES.

dewilson58 03-31-2021 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by stargirl (Post 1923838)
I’m moved here from Tampa. I hope to one day move back but still live in the Villages!


The Villages will be down to Tampa in no time.





:gc:

kappy 03-31-2021 07:42 AM

Effect Of Impact Fee Increase!
 
If all these expansion plans were already on the drawing board, why did all the developer’s friends and business partners and the local newspaper continue to tell us that raising impact fees will slow down growth?

PugMom 03-31-2021 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1923727)
Because some people just want to complain and some just hate The Villages and some hate the success of owners.


The information the OP state is nothing new.

yes, yes yes & Thank You!!!

Marathon Man 03-31-2021 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bandsdavis (Post 1923593)
I have never seen any comment or speculation about trying to add venues similar to these three in the southern parts of the Villages area. Two are professional level venues, and Savannah combines professional acts with the larger productions by a number of Villages resident groups. While there are a number of smaller venues available south of 44, none have the ability to hold large scale productions. It will be interesting to see how this changes the lifestyle for people in the "far south" compared to those of us north of 44.

The lifestyle is exactly the same for all residents of The Villages. All residents have equal access to all amenities, all medical facilities, all churches, all restaurants, etc. Our houses are located in different places, that's all.

merrymini 03-31-2021 08:04 AM

My only concern is water. Where are they going to get more of this nonrenewable resource? If you follow the population, they will not be able to maintain the age restriction because the swell of baby boomers will pass and there will not be enough people coming up that can buy here.

paulajr 03-31-2021 08:07 AM

Facts!
 
Finally!! Someone who knows the FACTS about why the expansion started. We learned this in a meeting with the developers as well. Bravo.


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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1923587)
It was never a promise but a business decision based on the direction from Wildwood and the County. They had a developer for what is now Fenney and when that developer went belly up they negotiated for the Morses to acquire the project and the Morses agreed if they could build back to 44. Since that area is Wildwood I suspect they agreed when they realized the revenue they would receive from taxes and fees. A recent comment by the Mayor confirmed that all came to fruition and will be channeled into the Wildwood area hopefully upgrading the town and surrounding areas. Couple that with all the farmers and residents that owned land going south and were willing to sell and not hard to see how the growth is occurring. Now of course we have those that want the growth to stop because "they got theirs" and want nobody else to "get theirs".


Shellshack 03-31-2021 08:20 AM

We just purchased a home in Sabal Chase and are very excited to hear that The Villages will be growing. We have seen government "controlled growth" in the north and are very pleased to be a part of this community. Growth is coming to this region. You can see numerous poorly built apartment complexes and other housing developments going up for miles in every direction around the Villages. While I am sure they will not build things to my personal specifications, I have far more confidence in the Villages than anything else I have seen. Remember, there were some in Congress who voted against the Louisiana Purchase! Glad to be a resident of The Villages.

Chi-Town 03-31-2021 08:29 AM

As long as they keep building they will keep up all the area. Build baby build.

hal195z 03-31-2021 08:30 AM

Geographic Center???
 
Who cares where the geographic center of TV is??? I live near Spanish Springs and have almost everything I need within 3 miles of my house. The new villages south of 466A are like another world and do not affect my life or lifestyle. As stated by a member of the swamp, What difference does it make?.

glsatterlee 03-31-2021 08:31 AM

Villages Growth
 
That’s all right, you guys stay north of 44, we will handle it down here. No problem.

kendi 03-31-2021 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1923351)
In order for RT44 to be the geographic center of TV the southern boundary of your attached map would need to extend approximately 6 miles further south per my rough calculation. Look at that - possibly still room for speculation !

That map doesn’t include undeveloped land that is currently owned by TV. Look at the map on TV website and you can see how far south they plan to build. Wouldn’t be surprised if more land purchases are in the works.

jbrown132 03-31-2021 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1923517)
The latest planning seems to combine the square notion with recreational facilities. Maybe in lieu of Couuntry Clubs?

The Lifestyle Center appears to be in addition to Sawgrass.

Country clubs require land. Why waste land on golf courses when you can build, build build, build, build more houses. The dream of The Villages, envisioned by Harold Schwartz, and his son is dead. It’s all about the bucks now and you don’t matter.

DAVES 03-31-2021 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1923240)
The Villages VP of Sales Jennifer Parr revealed a few interesting facts in the first day of testimony in a federal trial Monday in federal court in Tampa:

• Parr said under oath that The Villages will double in size and that State Road 44 is now seen by the Morse family as the geographic center of the community.

i strangely refuse to worry about what might be. We have choices. I was a bit surprised to hear from a friend, a business acquaintance perhaps, he and his brother bought 140 acres in the woods of North Carolina. Far as I know he has a house that he is living in with his wife. Far as I know he is not one of the survivalist people buying freeze dried food. Another friend bought a home in Vermont on a short sale and is fixing it up.
The world is our oyster. If, we think, are sure there is a better choice than here you owe it to yourself to do it.

The expansion of the Villages is a plus and a minus. Crowded roads etc. The plus in my view, the Morrises are investing and planning on continuing to run this place. Read the posts on any of these threads. Imagine if the inmates were running this place.

Swearing under oath? What does that matter today? People have and continue to lie under oath. You misunderstood what I said. At the time, I thought-things have changed.

Whoever owns that land, like it or not has made money on their land.

SacDQ 03-31-2021 08:57 AM

Visit the new Villages Home Design building in Brownwood and you might want to change your opinion on the Center of the Villages location.

Stu from NYC 03-31-2021 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kendi (Post 1923921)
That map doesn’t include undeveloped land that is currently owned by TV. Look at the map on TV website and you can see how far south they plan to build. Wouldn’t be surprised if more land purchases are in the works.

As long as they make money hand over fist they will continue to expand. Still lots of land they can purchase.

Polar Bear 03-31-2021 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrown132 (Post 1923923)
...The dream of The Villages, envisioned by Harold Schwartz, and his son is dead. It’s all about the bucks now and you don’t matter.

Yeah. Those nasty people who want to make money just make me sick. What kind of country do they think we live in?!? You can bet Harold didn't care about money!!
:ohdear:


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