We will be long gone before that happens. Once the sisters are gone the kids will likely cash in and sell out.

I agree with you based on acreage bought.

Why cash in if the place is still making great money.

Hire professional managers and go off and sit on a beach with a drink in their hand.

and Orlando???

Tallahassee?

Splitting into North and South
 

It really does make sense to have independent "Villages" (North and South). The "facilities", recreation and entertainment are becoming too congested. Not that it doesn't work now, but would flow and prosper if the Districts had a better picture of their future.

Ref post #88

People continue to respond with "they promised ..... ". The Villages Developers assuredly made no 'promises of the future' for anything. A business executive would be foolish to promise. Now someone may have made comments that there were no plans to expand beyond SR44 or something like that. If 'they' promised before acquiring sufficient land, every greedy person in the area would try to buy up the land in order to resell it to TV at a profit.

You both may be correct, in that The Villages sales people find out about expansion about the same time the public does. Their job is to sell homes and at the time you were 'told', that was all they knew about.

Your right of course. TV will continue to expand as long as they have demand for all the homes they keep building

There was never such a promise. Statements by sales agents are never admissible under law.

Promise?? By whom? When??

Who said? If it was not in your closing docs, it doesn't exist. Due diligence is not just a suggestion.

This is a multi county development. North Sumter is only a small of the whole.

There's actually some positive that comes from expansion. Now, I don't play golf. So I have no personal horse in this race. But up until this month, all those new folks in the new areas were able to drive their cars up to my neck of the woods, and get golf cart privileges free at the Country Clubs. But now that all the bridges are open, there's nothing stopping them from bringing their own cart. EXCEPT FOR DISTANCE! The further south they go, the fewer of them will come up to the northern courses. The further south they go, the more people nearer to 44 will choose southern courses over northern ones, because they'll have more options. And that means the people in the northern half of the Villages will not have to compete for tee-times with the southern half anymore.

That $6 cart rental fee - when they've been getting it free all along...

That's a deal!! You play your golf courses south of 44 and we'll play ours...

Except those are not yours neither are the ones down here ours.

This has been a fun thread.

I’m a child of boomers getting ready to move to TV in a couple years.

I’m also concerned about what happens when the boomers start dying off. Will there be enough people to fill in behind them and buy the new development? Also, just because the Developer bought the property doesn’t mean it has to become 55+ housing.

There seems to be a wave of people migrating south. Will that continue long enough to fill TV? Probably. There is lots of development going up all over FL, so people with money to invest are betting so.

TV is an amazing example of SimCity being played in real life. The Morses seem to be able to play the game pretty well, creating an attractive environment people want to live in. I don’t begrudge them getting rich along the way. With the medical center it seems their focus is moving away from merely a retirement community. I think that’s good thing.

Heh most of the readers on this forum won't understand the reference to SimCity. I was in a group that successfully built a small town back in the late-1990's. And then everyone defected to Ultima Online. I ran into a few of them in Dwarf Fortress but I only got as far as digging a short turn in a tunnel before giving up from boredom.

Not much of a rogue-like player. I found my thrill in MUDs.

They will still come north, there are 12 Championship courses (10 of which are 27 holes) north of 44. There are currently zero Championship courses south of 44, with only one 18 hole course under construction.

I agree. I was just pointing out... The original poster told people to "stay north of 44. We can take care of thing south of 44." So I was just agreeing with him.
It was a little bit "be careful of what you wish for..."

And 45 holes of Championship golf planned in the next phase.

An excerpt from an online news source journalist Meta Minten
A former Properties of The Villages sales representative testified that the atmosphere in the powerful sales arm of Florida’s Friendliest Hometown changed after Developer Gary Morse died.
As The Villages grew and grew, the pressure on the sales force intensified, particularly after the decision was made to cross State Road 44, something Morse publicly had vowed would not happen.

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FYI - home sales started springtime 2017 in Fenny. I believe there was 55 homes occupied by June 2017. I do remember the Championship Golf is coming soon sales pitch. That was 4 years ago and still no Championship Golf Course. But then again no one has any promise in writing - well not in their deed. 4 years is a significant portion of life if you purchased at 65 yrs. old. Whatever happened to handshakes in our society ? Anyone know how many homes are occupied south of RT44 today ?

Ok. He ran the business according to his views. But when Morse died he left the business to his inheritors. The next generation had a vision different than his. Each succeeding generation sees things different. That is this generation ownership's right.

In 20 years there will be 275,000 people turning 65 EVERY MONTH, now it's 310,000.
The sky is not falling.

We bought our home in Fenney in May of 2017 and our sales agent, Beth Pope, never talked about a championship course being built down here, she only commented on amenities that were public and on the horizon. I doubt that there were a large percentage of those buying here in the early years that bought due to a promise of championship golf as it was available to us at all of the existing courses and we didn't have to worry about having a golf car to use. Those that have been playing at the existing courses for the last ten or 20 years are probably more anxious to have new courses built than those that reside south of 44.

Lol, Lol, and.... Lol !

No big surprise...always imagined we'd someday be driving to Disney, Universal, MCO & the Gulf of Mexico in our golf carts!

[QUOTE=Stu from NYC;1924264]Have you seen the way some people around here drive their carts?

At some point expect to see tents pitched near the cart paths as people cannot make it in one day

And consider, very VERY few carts obey the speed limit for carts (even though "fixed" so they can't exceed the villages limit for carts, most just go home and mechanically by-pass that ! Just saw two young teenage women today driving 26 mph (checked it) and had no control over the cart at all.... yet, laughing wildly ! ? LIKE teens having fun, but let's face it, most adults around here run at 25-30 and even "race" others to where paths narrow. So unnecessary, sad. Thought : IF the Villages would build a go cart race track (like on any of the open spaces where our buffalo USED to roam ?), that would allow people to get the crazy teen behavior "out of their systems" the "adult" in them can take over when they get into their golf-carts ?? LOL, I doubt it but, worth a try, we certainly have the space to build one !

There is/was two sides to that coin. Gary Morse's vow of stopping at RT44 was made not to new Fenny owners but to existing people living in TV. Growth was happening so fast we existing homeowners experienced first hand more and more difficulty getting Tee times. TV's build policy before Fenny was build golf courses first then the neighborhoods. The amenity fees didn't decrease with less available tee times. By not building championship courses south of RT44 taxed the courses north of there. It was not a we / they thing. Both sides did not benefit from this excessive delay of building these courses.

Isn’t the north side already sold off to the district’s? Or are you talking commercial property and championship golf courses?

Really doesn't matter. Non Villagers can come to the squares, and do! No ID required

The more they build in the southern area the more the homes in the far north will increase. The real estate people love this area because it's less crowded and they never have a problem getting tee times.

Actually the less homes they build in the south the more the existing homes will go up in value as the demand would still be there but less new homes to buy. I don't know about it being less crowded up there, I would sooner drive across 44 than I would 42.

No, we were told in 2005 that the development would stop at 466A.

If we were part of the Morse family or stockholder in this empire would you want to stop building?
Cannot blame them at all

Sept 28, 2004 CDD-9 was established.
Sept 28, 2004 CDD-10 was established.
Sept 28, 2004 the developer made it perfectly clear and a part of public record that they intended to continue building south of CR466A.

And in 2005, you were told the development would stop at 466A by either a liar or a clueless soul who didn't know what was happening around them, either way, there was no deception by the developer, only the person trying to make a fast buck off of you.

Caveat Emptor

Don,

I don’t need to tell you that this forum is full of “keyboard experts” that have nothing better to do than to spew their nonsense !!

And there you go, once again, confusing these folks with facts...... SHAME ON YOU !!! :boom:

Even if they said they would stop arent they entitled to changed their mind as conditions warrant?