[tomwed]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

You might get eaten by a neighbor though if they were really hungry.

That's back then though, not now. I sure hope so. I have this one neighbor that seems to smile at me a lot.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by tomwed

That's back then though, not now. I sure hope so. I have this one neighbor that seems to smile at me a lot.

I love you Tomwed. I hope Mrs. Wed knows I am happily wed and






OLD.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I love you Tomwed. I hope Mrs. Wed knows I am happily wed and OLD.

Believe me, after awhile my humor get's on your nerves. And I have a tendency to repeat myself.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I love you Tomwed. I hope Mrs. Wed knows I am happily wed and
OLD.

Believe me, after awhile my humor get's on your nerves. And I have a tendency to repeat myself.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Ask retired LEOs why they carry. Most will probably tell you that you have no idea the number of bad people around, and everywhere. I know an LEO that even carries in Disneyworld in Orlando. He carries everywhere, even in TV. He smiles at me when I tell him I don't carry in TV because I feel it is so safe. He gives me that look that says "you have no clue". He's a good guy to hang with. It's like having a personal bodyguard. Now I know how Bloomberg feels.

Discussing why anybody carries or not or feel better being with one who carries still rubs me the wrong way. I been around fire arms use all my life. Those who carry DO NOT go around telling folks they are doing so. They just don't.
One may have a close friend that brings it up in a pertinent discussion, but repeating....most do not. There are many good reasons.....no different than discussing who has insurance or not or what coverage or not. If not in a pertinent discussion it just does not come up.

As far as being selective as to when to carry or not. That discussion is usually for and by those who do not carry or are uninformed about carrying.

Police officers do not elect to carry or not based on the area they are in being safe or not. They carry all the time. Same goes for anybody who prefers to carry.

Many retired LEO carry for many reasons. Ditto for the rest of us.

One only needs to look at carrying to be similar to insurance. We all have it and we all hope to never use it. We do not insure or not based on one place being less or more safe than another.

It is really just that simple.

[tomwed]

I find this conversation interesting mostly because there's not a lot of other conversations going on. It's not inherently interesting.

How about we think of something else to talk about that's a bit more fun?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Discussing why anybody carries or not or feel better being with one who carries still rubs me the wrong way. I been around fire arms use all my life. Those who carry DO NOT go around telling folks they are doing so. They just don't.
One may have a close friend that brings it up in a pertinent discussion, but repeating....most do not. There are many good reasons.....no different than discussing who has insurance or not or what coverage or not. If not in a pertinent discussion it just does not come up.

As far as being selective as to when to carry or not. That discussion is usually for and by those who do not carry or are uninformed about carrying.

Police officers do not elect to carry or not based on the area they are in being safe or not. They carry all the time. Same goes for anybody who prefers to carry.

Many retired LEO carry for many reasons. Ditto for the rest of us.

One only needs to look at carrying to be similar to insurance. We all have it and we all hope to never use it. We do not insure or not based on one place being less or more safe than another.

It is really just that simple.

It is a spectrum thing. If you live by a fire hydrant, your fire insurance is a little cheaper. If you live in one of the "hot spots" in Orlando, where crime is rampant, you need to protect yourself with a gun..


Some choose to make their risks go down by not living where drugs are dealt and where people hang around clubs and do drive by shootings. NO place is completely safe. It is a spectrum thing.


I am not disagreeing with you, I respect you mightily.


What galls me is being told by a law enforcement officer who lives here from New York that West Chester, Ohio is as dangerous as any other place when, it had ONE murder in thirty years.


He has not lived there. He knows the reality of where he is from. Not the reality of where I am from. Some places are safer than others. I don't carry insurance on being bitten by a snake. I try to stay away from snakes. I don't keep them in the spare room. I may be bitten by a snake. There are snakes around outside that are dangerous, but it isn't likely.


It is a selling point for a philosophy that I don't disagree with...I have no argument with people who carry. I just am still pretty smart...and I don't carry.


Please don't shoot me. And don't tell me not to advertise I don't carry. I have a bunch of friends who might carry.

I shouldn't have yelled at you Billethekid. I think you are one smart person and a very reasonable person and I get what you are saying...I do.

[gerryann]

Originally Posted by outlaw

I think you are being overly defensive at the suggestion that you are uncomfortable around guns. There is nothing wrong with that feeling. I think that is all the poster was saying. With all the media hype, and not growing up around guns, I think the natural tendency is to be uncomfortable in the presence of guns.

That is interesting that you feel I may be uncomfortable around guns. I lived for 40 years with a LEO. He never, ever carried when not working. I can think of a few times (maybe twice) that we would be going through a questionable area and he would inform me that he had the gun under the seat of the car. His 3 guns have been given to each of 3 children. His fellow officers never carried off duty. ( the new generation police might be different). My sister is married to a retired LEO. In the 30 years he was LEO he never, ever carried off duty....doesn't even own a gun. My brother was LEO in Tampa....never, ever carried off duty. Never owned a gun. My nephew is an active LEO...does not carry off duty. So...no, I'm not uncomfortable around guns. I will say that the 30 years my husband was LEO, I never touched his guns....had no interest.

[gerryann]

I also feel that those that carry here in TV, do NOT carry because they are concerned with crime or needing protection. I feel they carry only because they can. Now, going out of the bubble...maybe they carry for protection; but here in TV just because they can. .......makes them feel...not sure, in control, powerful, manly....not sure......

[buzzy]

A few months ago the Straight Shooters club had a presentation on how much trouble you can get into when using your gun in self defense. Supposedly you can be convicted of a crime and sent to jail for defending yourself with a gun if your attacker is not also armed. You have a duty to retreat unless you are in your home. And, of course, you should join one of those legal assistance groups that specialize in armed self defense. So, based on those constraints, it is better to carry pepper gel or a stun gun.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I am telling you that you can do whatever you want to do. I am not stupid. There are bad people everywhere. What folks have done that are my age is work hard, save their money, make sacrifices, work when they are sick, don't run up foolish things on their charges so they can buy and live where it is a little safer. They don't mess with other people's stuff or their spouses. They toe the line and go to church or toe the line and don't go to church.


They choose people who are not hot heads and who have common sense to hang out with and they try to do what is right.


We all don't need guns,especially HERE, this is not a place that at this time warrants carrying a gun.


But that may change. I am NOT anti gun. I am anti gun evangelism.


But knock yourself out.

I never said you were anti-gun. There is really no need to be defensive. Many of us worked hard our whole life, led a good life. That does not exempt you from becoming a victim. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I was just presenting my viewpoint. Do you do your own shopping, or do you have servants do your shopping for you? If you go to Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart, etc., you are venturing outside your dome of tranquility. Do you think everyone at the squares are all squeaky clean? Do you think you really live in a gated community with push button openers on every gate? Do you think the knife stabbing in the historic district, or the murder in the wherever village, or the recent bat wielding golf cart driver did not involve TV residents? Don't carry or do carry. I don't care.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by gerryann

That is interesting that you feel I may be uncomfortable around guns. I lived for 40 years with a LEO. He never, ever carried when not working. I can think of a few times (maybe twice) that we would be going through a questionable area and he would inform me that he had the gun under the seat of the car. His 3 guns have been given to each of 3 children. His fellow officers never carried off duty. ( the new generation police might be different). My sister is married to a retired LEO. In the 30 years he was LEO he never, ever carried off duty....doesn't even own a gun. My brother was LEO in Tampa....never, ever carried off duty. Never owned a gun. My nephew is an active LEO...does not carry off duty. So...no, I'm not uncomfortable around guns. I will say that the 30 years my husband was LEO, I never touched his guns....had no interest.

I am shocked that every leo you know including all of your husband's coworkers never carried while off duty or retired. But I guess you must have discussed it with them because how else would you know.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by tomwed

I find this conversation interesting mostly because there's not a lot of other conversations going on. It's not inherently interesting.

How about we think of something else to talk about that's a bit more fun?

Anyone think we may be scaring the newbies???

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by buzzy

A few months ago the Straight Shooters club had a presentation on how much trouble you can get into when using your gun in self defense. Supposedly you can be convicted of a crime and sent to jail for defending yourself with a gun if your attacker is not also armed. You have a duty to retreat unless you are in your home. And, of course, you should join one of those legal assistance groups that specialize in armed self defense. So, based on those constraints, it is better to carry pepper gel or a stun gun.

That is the whole reason for the stand your ground law in Florida. It relieved you of the duty to retreat in Florida even if you could. I'm not saying you can't be charged. Obviously, if you're arguing with someone and he spits on you, you don't want to shoot him. Just call the cops and have him arrested. But if he physically attacks you, and you fear serious harm, you can defend yourself with a gun. At least that is the way I understand the law. I'm not a lawyer.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Anyone think we may be scaring the newbies???

I hope so. It's getting too crowded.