[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by outlaw

That is the whole reason for the stand your ground law in Florida. It relieved you of the duty to retreat in Florida even if you could. I'm not saying you can't be charged. Obviously, if you're arguing with someone and he spits on you, you don't want to shoot him. Just call the cops and have him arrested. But if he physically attacks you, and you fear serious harm, you can defend yourself with a gun. At least that is the way I understand the law. I'm not a lawyer.

Ask George Zimmerman how Florida's stand your ground law worked out for him. He may have been acquitted, but..........

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by gerryann

I also feel that those that carry here in TV, do NOT carry because they are concerned with crime or needing protection. I feel they carry only because they can. Now, going out of the bubble...maybe they carry for protection; but here in TV just because they can. .......makes them feel...not sure, in control, powerful, manly....not sure......

I think many carry because of the mindset that if you don't carry all the time you're not going to have it when you need it. Kind of like seat belts or motorcycle protective gear. You never know when you will have an accident, so you always hook up your seat belt, and you always wear the safety gear whenever you ride your motorcycle. Also, many people view the 2nd A as a duty of every citizen to contribute to protecting themselves and others, including their neighbors. Don't laugh. It's serious stuff. Many CC people feel a responsibility to help others and protect their loved ones knowing that there are not enough government employees (leo's) to protect everyone. In fact, very few crimes against victims are thwarted by the police. The police show up AFTER the crime.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Ask George Zimmerman how Florida's stand your ground law worked out for him. He may have been acquitted, but..........

This is a common misunderstanding of SYG in Florida. GZ claimed self defense, not SYG. Two different defenses. In GZ's case, he could not retreat because TM was on top of him before GZ could even bolt.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by gerryann

I also feel that those that carry here in TV, do NOT carry because they are concerned with crime or needing protection. I feel they carry only because they can. Now, going out of the bubble...maybe they carry for protection; but here in TV just because they can. .......makes them feel...not sure, in control, powerful, manly....not sure......

None of the above are why people carry.

It is unfortunate that the majority of the populations education and knowledge of fire arms is what they see in the movies, on television and the biased news media.

That is not real life.

Law enforcement has a belt full of equipment each of which is for a specific purpose. One of the items happens to be a pistol. They will use every other piece of equipment on their belt day in and day out....except for the pistol.
Some never ever have had to use their pistol for anything other than training.

They do not have an air of needing it or feeling macho, in control, manly or womanly. None what so ever.

All that training and expense and maintenance just in case....just like insurance. Ditto for those not in law enforcement.

Like everything else in our lives gun recreation, gun ownership, gun self defense are personal choices, just like sky diving, being a pprivate pilot, the military and of course law enforcement. And like evrything else in life the discussion is always about the few who do not do what is right, while the other 98% of us do!

It is a personal choice!

[billethkid]

GG I sense no "yelling" at all in your post. I admire those who state their case without infringing on others views/opinions/etc.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by outlaw

This is a common misunderstanding of SYG in Florida. GZ claimed self defense, not SYG. Two different defenses. In GZ's case, he could not retreat because TM was on top of him before GZ could even bolt.

Thank you, didn't know that. In NY, you pretty much have to seconds away from getting killed yourself, otherwise you're guilty

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by tomwed

I find this conversation interesting mostly because there's not a lot of other conversations going on. It's not inherently interesting.

How about we think of something else to talk about that's a bit more fun?

Wanna talk about nuclear weapons and their everyday uses?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Thank you, didn't know that. In NY, you pretty much have to seconds away from getting killed yourself, otherwise you're guilty

In NY you're probably better off getting killed before you try to defend yourself with a gun. And then, you still may be convicted posthumously.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Wanna talk about nuclear weapons and their everyday uses?

"How about a nice game of checkers instead" (WOMPR, War Games)

[gerryann]

Originally Posted by outlaw

I am shocked that every leo you know including all of your husband's coworkers never carried while off duty or retired. But I guess you must have discussed it with them because how else would you know.

Many years ago the officers on his dept. HAD to carry at all times. We all went out tabogoning one day.....officers and wives. While going down the hill, I felt something hard in my back. I questioned it....he said it was his gun. I was concerned about the safety of a gun during recreational times. I approached the chief and voiced my concerns. The rule was changed and they did NOT have to carry off duty. After that a few officers carried when in the village that they were employed in, but no where else. After a few years, they all stopped carrying. I certainly don't know where they all are now that they are retired or weather they carry now, but I would guess that they don't. By the way, it was a very safe suburb, like TV.
I also still stand by my thought that people carry here for a reason other than fear of crime. TV is very, very safe.

[billethkid]

self explanatory....please read the 10 items

10 Things Everyone Should Know About Concealed Weapons Permit Holders - The Truth About Guns

[ugotme]

Originally Posted by billethkid

self explanatory....please read the 10 items

10 Things Everyone Should Know About Concealed Weapons Permit Holders - The Truth About Guns

EXCELLENT!

So true on all accounts. Thanks for finding this and posting it!

[tomwed]

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[BobandMary]

I can, but I don't. No need here.

[gerryann]

Originally Posted by BobandMary

I can, but I don't. No need here.

That really is my thought as well. I feel it is very safe here. To me it seems a burden to have to worry about a gun on my person or in my purse. That's just me. If it gives one a feeling of inner peace and it really feels natural and comfortable then sure why not.
I believe The Villages is one of the safest place you could live in the country. It was the number 1 reason I moved here.