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Jacob85 04-18-2020 08:02 AM

The 68 people are the ones we know about. This is so contagious and the open beaches show people in clusters it’s only a matter of time

Stu from NYC 04-18-2020 08:12 AM

Something else to look forward too. grrrr

merrymini 04-18-2020 08:31 AM

Surge? Having been cooped up for a month, not just two weeks, we can fairly assume that there will not be a surge and that this reporter is an idiot.

PugMom 04-18-2020 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by stan the man (Post 1748497)
I would really like to know how many of the COVID virus deaths were actually people who died from influenza with pre-existing conditions and counted as COVID deaths 2018 Sumter county 29 deaths from influenza

Stan, the state where i came from (Ct.) is counting deaths of people who pass away showing symptoms, not whether they actually had it. by doing this, they can create their own stats of how many died from corona, or died DURING the virus, but from other complications. i assume i either have it or am a carrier if i listened to all the media hysteria.

ficoguy 04-18-2020 08:43 AM

CV Survivors
 
I'm getting a little weird feeling about this concept of "Corona Virus Survivors"
Are the accolades more deserving for this than prostate cancer, colon cancer, breast cancer, etc?
I think there is a move to start a class action suit against the Federal Government for not acting soon enough by creating a class of victims.
Is Morgan and Morgan running any ads yet?
Tobacco, baby powder, Round Up.....this could be huuuugggggeeeee.

PugMom 04-18-2020 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ficoguy (Post 1748559)
I'm getting a little weird feeling about this concept of "Corona Virus Survivors"
Are the accolades more deserving for this than prostate cancer, colon cancer, breast cancer, etc?
I think there is a move to start a class action suit against the Federal Government for not acting soon enough by creating a class of victims.
Is Morgan and Morgan running any ads yet?
Tobacco, baby powder, Round Up.....this could be huuuugggggeeeee.

:1rotfl::1rotfl: i hear ya!! where do i sign up??

Lottoguy 04-18-2020 08:59 AM

Squares open in two weeks? I'll take that bet any day.

bumpygreens 04-18-2020 09:02 AM

Have you noticed how many so called news stories rely on words like: could, may, might, possibly, etc...hypotheticals in place of facts. Just more of the news trying to shape what we think instead of telling us what is.
Villager Swallows Dollar, No Change Yet
-or-
Villager Swallows Dollar, May Start Shooting Nickels Out His @$$

ficoguy 04-18-2020 09:05 AM

Bring on the summer heat
 
[QUOTE=capecodbob;1748105]Sprawling retirement community has at least 68 residents positive for Covid-19; ‘an opportunity for it to take off’
By Arian Campo-Flores for The Wall Street Journal
April 17, 2020 8:00 am ET


Residents of The Villages, a sprawling retirement community in central Florida, were still gathering in town squares, visiting nail salons and browsing an estate sale in late March. Only after Gov. Ron DeSantis issued a statewide stay-at-home order April 1 did many of the holdouts hunker down, residents and officials say.

The delay in adopting social-distancing measures could haunt The Villages, a fast-growing metro area of more than 128,000 people whose older age makes them especially vulnerable to Covid-19

Preliminary results from government lab experiments show that the coronavirus does not survive long in high temperatures and high humidity, and is quickly destroyed by sunlight, providing evidence from controlled tests of what scientists believed — but had not yet proved — to be true.

davefin 04-18-2020 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1748189)
Surge???.................Yes, thanks to all the golfers.


:shocked:

Can I assume you're not into golf? Let me tell you, it's safer on the golf courses than it is at the mailboxes.

davefin 04-18-2020 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1748481)
I read that Wall Street Journal article, and there were a number of errors. It seems to be the work of a stringer desperate to get her name in the paper, drawn from letters to editors and out-of-date statistics. In this case, surprisingly, the ************** is probably more accurate than the WSJ. The article is a bit like those trash journalism pieces from years ago that keep being mentioned about there being waves of STDs in The Villages. Turned out there were two or three more cases than usual, but still far less than Florida as a whole. But it sold a lot of newspapers. This is the real fake news, people, yet it still ends up on the television. All those people in the town squares? Most of them looked way too young to be living here. I think they were visitors from outside The Villages. But does that get reported? No.

The Villages has almost nothing but single family homes, and nearly all have only one or two people living there, and they all have room to be outdoors in the sun. Social distancing and quarantining is easy. There is plenty of room to walk and ride bicycles or go for rides in golf carts, even if we can’t swim or golf right now. This is much safer than urban neighborhoods where people are packed together. So keep your distance, keep up your courage, don’t panic, and we will get through this.

:bigbow:

mtlee024 04-18-2020 09:11 AM

What?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1748189)
Surge???.................Yes, thanks to all the golfers.


:shocked:

It is safer golfing then going to the grocery stores, or Home Depot, etc. You just sound like a non golfer who can't take it that someone gets to do what they love.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 04-18-2020 09:20 AM

Thanks

Poirier 04-18-2020 09:26 AM

Well, that number could be accurate if all the owners/renters were present here in TV
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1748233)
If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

Well, that number could be accurate if all the owners/renters were present here in TV. There are a lot of empty houses in my area where owners/snowbirds have fled to go back to their home state. I would suspect that the total population of TV would be lower right now making your calculation a little higher......

oneclickplus 04-18-2020 10:07 AM

A surge in TV might result in more re-sales and lower prices. Maybe I'll pick up a rental property.

john352 04-18-2020 10:15 AM

It is more meaningful to state the number of cases per 100,000 population rather than just the totals.

As of the early Saturday (4/18) morning, here are the number of cases per 100,000 population:

215 USA
1,203 New York State
108 Florida
89 Sumter County
56 The Villages (73 cases & 130,000 population)

sally2189 04-18-2020 10:21 AM

They do list them every day, the number of cases and the number of deaths. If you subtract the deaths from the number of cases, you have how many have survived!

meridian5850 04-18-2020 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1748233)
If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

(68/128,000) x 100 = 0.053%

jebartle 04-18-2020 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gmb727 (Post 1748406)
I hate when those pesky facts get in the way of a shocking headlines.

Sign of the times!!!!!!

EdFNJ 04-18-2020 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1748557)
Stan, the state where i came from (Ct.) is counting deaths of people who pass away showing symptoms, not whether they actually had it.

Just maybe it's because they don't have enough tests to warrant wasting them on DEAD PEOPLE but rather those who may be walking around with it. People are also told to STAY home and not walk in to a hospital, Dr office, emergency care or emergency room if they have symptoms so think about how many aren't counted that actually do have it. I guess you also think all those that died and were stacked up in the morgue in the nursing home in Andover NJ just died of the flu or the 600 in the Smithfield plant just had a bad cold.

Joanne19335 04-18-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1748189)
Surge???.................Yes, thanks to all the golfers.


:shocked:

Oh, PULEEEEEZE. Here we go again.

jarodrig 04-18-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Skunky1 (Post 1748427)
If you wish to congregate, get a beer and a hotdog, just go behind Palmer country club.

No longer true to my dismay......that was shut down a week or two ago ....

A tree hugging whiner probably saw folks (who were social distancing) having fun and couldn’t control himself/herself and blew the whistle ......

coastalnh 04-18-2020 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1748233)
If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

Yes, but the problem isn't the 68 infected, its the 100 people each infected, and the 100 each they infected...

EnglishJW 04-18-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1748414)
You might want to recalculate by including an estimate for asymptomatic/undiagnosed cases. Stanford study shows 50-85 times confirmed cases have been exposed to virus.

These are the reported results from the ongoing testing program here in TV.

"Additionally, just three out of 2,100 asymptomatic people in a voluntary research study tested positive."

COVID-19 testing continues at The Villages(R) as research and clinical results offer crucial insights | UF Health, University of Florida Health

Dilligas 04-18-2020 10:42 AM

Why does everyone think just because a writer is in the WSJ, it is fact and gospel? WSJ is like most other media, they write to sell papers and subscriptions. Has Arian Campo-Flores ever been here to witness what he wrote about? Or is he looking at media and internet pics to make his conclusions. Remember, the 'we live in the promiscuous capital of the US' label the media falsely wrote about?

arbajeda 04-18-2020 10:44 AM

Just a regurgitation of this Tampa Bay Times article of two weeks ago. The WSJ article is behind a pay wall so you won't be able to read it all unless you subscribe.

For seniors in Florida’s Villages, coronavirus dangers stack up

Watching and Waiting for a Coronavirus Surge at The Villages in Florida - WSJ

Their predictions primarily rely on the fact that the preponderance of Villagers are older and many have preexisting conditions. They both ignore the fact that if there were going to be rampant infections they would have taken place before the mandated social distancing.

Conclusion? It's all fake news. Just something to take up space on a page that predicts doom and gloom, akin to Don Hendley's "Dirty Laundry."

GoodLife 04-18-2020 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnglishJW (Post 1748660)
These are the reported results from the ongoing testing program here in TV.

"Additionally, just three out of 2,100 asymptomatic people in a voluntary research study tested positive."

COVID-19 testing continues at The Villages(R) as research and clinical results offer crucial insights | UF Health, University of Florida Health

Yes I understand, as noted above the Stanford study was for antibodies, the UF TV test was for active virus. Apples and oranges

EnglishJW 04-18-2020 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1748482)
UF test was for active virus, Stanford test was for antibodies.


Do you have a link to that? Was it the ELISA test?

Researchers Develop COVID-19 Antibody Test

jklfairwin 04-18-2020 10:54 AM

Just remember that the outbreak in Washington stated with one case. The outbreak in New York probably the same.

DianeM 04-18-2020 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rsenholzi (Post 1748477)
This is scary since Fl hasn’t even been quarantined a month yet. What is wrong with the coidiots running this state! Are they trying to kill off the seniors and make social security last longer?

Do you really think the Bambi in a bikini is coming to TV?

DianeM 04-18-2020 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 1748557)
Stan, the state where i came from (Ct.) is counting deaths of people who pass away showing symptoms, not whether they actually had it. by doing this, they can create their own stats of how many died from corona, or died DURING the virus, but from other complications. i assume i either have it or am a carrier if i listened to all the media hysteria.

New York is doing that too. Somehow I suspect higher death rates will afford them the opportunity to whine for more federal assistance.

jimjamuser 04-18-2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1748233)
If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

The problem is those 68 were and are wandering around (maybe 2weeks ago or today) and they have been infecting multiple others (it is highly contagious). Those infected may be non-symptomatic and the spread is exponential. Many experts believe that nationwide there could be 50% of all people infected. We have virtually no testing for non-symtomatic people. In an older community like the Villiages it could be 80% carrying CV.

jimjamuser 04-18-2020 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sail33or (Post 1748245)
Texas will lead the way and maybe Florida will follow.

Down a rabbit hole of pain!

jimjamuser 04-18-2020 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1748654)
Just maybe it's because they don't have enough tests to warrant wasting them on DEAD PEOPLE but rather those who may be walking around with it. People are also told to STAY home and not walk in to a hospital, Dr office, emergency care or emergency room if they have symptoms so think about how many aren't counted that actually do have it. I guess you also think all those that died and were stacked up in the morgue in the nursing home in Andover NJ just died of the flu or the 600 in the Smithfield plant just had a bad cold.

I like it.....200ft......social sneeze distancing

DianeM 04-18-2020 11:47 AM

I am so tired of the constant refrain on the shortage of tests. There are more than enough tests to use on people who need to be tested. You can talk all day about asymptomatic but you cannot test the entire population of the United States, 330 million people, on a daily basis. You can be negative on Monday and positive on Thursday. No one is shoving a stick up my nose just to assuage someone else’s fear for the day. Nor are they doing a nasal swab. Not thrilled with someone taking my temperature either but that’s not invasive.

jimjamuser 04-18-2020 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1748482)
UF test was for active virus, Stanford test was for antibodies.

Very informative. Keep up the good work.

GoodLife 04-18-2020 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnglishJW (Post 1748673)
Do you have a link to that? Was it the ELISA test?

Researchers Develop COVID-19 Antibody Test

Stanford used a lateral flow immunoassay to test for antibodies. Link to study here:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...463v1.full.pdf

JoMar 04-18-2020 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travelhunter (Post 1748449)
Is this official

No....Sumter won't provide any guidance until the end of the month. Since Social distancing is required for Phase 1 and 2 how do you think that would work?

donaviv 04-18-2020 12:11 PM

I wish....

boilermaker7091 04-18-2020 12:18 PM

Don’t blame the golfers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1748189)
Surge???.................Yes, thanks to all the golfers.


:shocked:

Most people I’ve on the courses are driving their own carts. A foursome on a green seldom get to close unless they’re at the hole. This sounds like a disgruntled tennis player who doesn’t realize how close they are when they play. You can fit several tennis courts on a golf green.


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