Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

If crime is not a reason to leave somewhere and move to T V then please, transplanted Villagers, feel free to unlock your doors at night and stop the hypocrisy.

[tombpot]

Leave your politics in NY

[Mrfriendly]

To my New York neighbors, please bring good bagels and pizza‼️

[NoMo50]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

You might want the double check your figures/math. Based on your numbers, that would work out to 25,000 people per square mile. But...a very conservative estimate puts the land area of The Villages at 32 square miles. The developer actually owns much more land than that...likely exceeding 50 square miles.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

Keep telling yourself that. My guess is that you also don't subscribe to the FL "lifestyle" either, which, over time, will make FL more like NY minus the weather.

[lawgolfer]

You can come. close to matching NYC's pizza at Flippers, although there are no walk-away slices. Bagels not so much anywhere in TV.

[lmrk32]

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New YorkerAnd I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think

[airstreamingypsy]

Originally Posted by lmrk32

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing your Stereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New Yorker And I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think

I see the New York hate here and think to myself, they are just jealous because we grew up in the greatest city in the world. I'm just here for the weather.

[Billnjudy]

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed

But hopefully they do not destroy the wonderful “attitude” of Florida. Come on down but leave your Northern cynicism, etc. there. Florida ain’t broke so don’t try to fix it to suit a northern lifestyle you are leaving

Be prepared, I am sadly. I’m a native of Colorado that moved here because Californians fled their state for a better life in Colorado and destroyed Colorado in all areas😢 Califorincated Colorado

[Jazzman]

Originally Posted by lmrk32

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New YorkerAnd I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think

I would bet most of these commenters never set foot in NYC or even NY State which has a whole different vibe and attitude then NYC. One poster complains about the content of the supposed media called the Villages News. Well this board is pretty similar when it comes to certain topics.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

With all due respect...wide by a mile.

This, from The National Bureau of Economic Research website:

"During the 1990s, crime rates in New York City dropped dramatically, even more than in the United States as a whole. Violent crime declined by more than 56 percent in the City, compared to about 28 percent in the nation as whole. Property crimes tumbled by about 65 percent, but fell only 26 percent nationally.

Many attribute New York's crime reduction to specific "get-tough" policies carried out by former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's administration. The most prominent of his policy changes was the aggressive policing of lower-level crimes, a policy which has been dubbed the "broken windows" approach to law enforcement. In this view, small disorders lead to larger ones and perhaps even to crime. As Mr. Guiliani told the press in 1998, "Obviously murder and graffiti are two vastly different crimes. But they are part of the same continuum, and a climate that tolerates one is more likely to tolerate the other."

This is PRECISELY the approach of local law enforcement, as I see it. Keep the clamps down tight on the hoodlum wannabes, and the Real McCoys will keep their distance. It worked for Guiliani in the then-cesspool called New York. It is working here.

Crime was perhaps THE main reason that we moved here. Back in Minnesota we lived in an idyllic little backwater town of perhaps 25,000 or so, but that town was about an hour's drive from Ground Zero and the Floyd riots in Minneapolis - St. Paul. The riots spilled over into the suburbs, and even our idyllic little town had a taste of it: no more than a taste, as armed police ringed the demonstrators, and not a few of the local onlookers were armed as well. As a side note: the "demonstrators" had planned a smash-and-grab, the morning after their "demonstration" at a local big-box store that sold guns and ammo. Word got out. When the demonstrators showed up early that morning the parking lot quite a few obviously armed locals (open carry is legal in Minnesota). The vehicles containing the planned smash-and-grabbers swung into the parking lot, saw the situation, and promptly (and wisely) circled around back onto the street to the freeway entrance ramp and headed south. We moved not long after that. I had a carry permit in Minnesota and for the ten years before moving here rarely left the house unarmed, even in our idyllic little town. I have a Florida permit, but haven't carried even once here. Just haven't felt the need.

Minnesota's situation is not unique; but shared in many of the major cities in the North and Northeast. Call it what you like, but the defund-the-police, no-more-profiling, etc. etc. movements all have the same end in mind; make it easier for the criminals to operate. And it's working: in Minneapolis, the informal SOP is that theft with a value of less than $1,000.00 are not routinely investigated by police. Anything under $1,000 is a misdemeanor (Archiego - Stokka dot com). Cops have to prioritize too: why investigate misdemeanors when there is so much more major crime there?

Guiliani's quote about crime is worth repeating. "Obviously murder and graffiti are two vastly different crimes. But they are part of the same continuum, and a climate that tolerates one is more likely to tolerate the other". It worked in New York. It is working here.

[MrFlorida]

Don't New York my Florida !

[GATORBILL66]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Americans Are Leaving High-Tax New York and Moving to Florida

Florida is getting too crowded. Let them yankees go somewhere else!

[rogerrice60]

Unfortunately a lot of them bring their politics with them; that will become a major problem for our state in the future.

[Dantes]

Yes let’s turn Florida into New York
Let’s all go to restaurants and not pay lol yes
I’m glad the village news reports the crime. The bubble is starting to pop in my opinion the false since of security and putting your head in the sand will catch up to everyone then it’s too late in my opinion I’ll be band from here now for having a opinion good bye