Originally Posted by acornhome (Post 1860689)

Because when you are done drinking and dancing you go to Publix, the dr’s office, or the gas station where you run into people who have been “cowering in their homes” because of compromised health issues or age but still need food, gas and to get to the drs office. That’s why.

Originally Posted by Krittermom (Post 1860758)

Yes, those of us with preexisting conditions do stay home. But we still need to go out to the pharmacy, groceries and doctor offices, where we run the risk of exposure from those who just don’t care to take precautions.

Originally Posted by DrBrutyle109 (Post 1860641)

Why Covid deniers? You stay home and cower in your house. I’ll go out, be careful and enjoy the The life I worked 50 years to have.

Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 1860677)

I agree with your comment , those with their hair on fire about Covid should do everything possible to protect themselves. I am in good health, thank God and am going to enjoy life.

Originally Posted by acornhome (Post 1860689)

Because when you are done drinking and dancing you go to Publix, the dr’s office, or the gas station where you run into people who have been “cowering in their homes” because of compromised health issues or age but still need food, gas and to get to the drs office. That’s why.

Originally Posted by Beyond The Wall (Post 1860699)

You can stay home if your afraid or you can chose to live life. The China Virus is serious . It is not seasonal. There are now treatments for it and a vaccine or 2 are on the way. With tickets to square there were more people outside surrounding squares then inside them! I chose life standing rather then sitting in fear. Yes I’m sure it is economically related but I don’t care what the motivation is. I’m just pleased they are opening .

Originally Posted by Miguel 1952 (Post 1860650)

I too agree that December vaccinations is very optimistic. Hoping the vaccine is approved very soon though. My best!

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1860610)

So, entertainment at the town squares were closed when the pandemic was under much better control than it currently is. Fast forward, the pandemic numbers have never been worse, and a massive influx of potential Covid spreaders are migrating south. Then the seasonal influx of high risk children and grandchildren visitors will follow. People from all over the country will be flying to Florida and converging on the 55 plus community that has been relatively safe during the slow season, where the older and more vulnerable full time residents generally take appropriate precautions. Despite this, starting next week the town squares will go back to business as usual, like the pandemic doesn’t even exist, WTF?

Could there possibly be a worse time to decide to open everything back up? I get that the powers that be need to sell all the houses they are cranking out, and it’s hard to sell houses without being able to showcase the Villages experience. But this could backfire in a big way if the Villages Covid numbers spike, which they most likely will. Not only that, but all the new houses they are trying to sell will have to compete with all the new pre-owned homes that will go on the market vacated by unfortunate Covid victims.

OK, all the Covid deniers, let me have it, I can deal with it.

Originally Posted by lindaelane (Post 1860725)

It is possible to entirely stay home if that is your choice. There is grocery delivery, there is delivery from the drug store (door dash) and there is telemedicine. If you need to go to your doctor's office, no one is allowed in without a temperature check, a mask and social distancing, so you are not going to catch it there. Why not let those small businesses survive?

Deaths of despair (suicide, drugs) are way up. Deaths of people not getting cancer checks are going to go way up. Deaths of people so afraid of Covid they have strokes and heart attacks and call no one are up. In New York, when the lockdown was strict, 63% of those catching the disease had been locked down. In other words, the fact that there are essential workers already means the disease can spread in the community to anyone going out at all, or letting someone in their home who goes out.

Epidemiologists before this year always said "lockdowns do not work" - exception: 100 percent lockdown early in the disease, but we can't do that. You can look up this fact on the WHO site. Epidemiologists had no evidence that lockdowns were suddenly going to work, they just used them to slow the spread, stopping hospitals from being overwhelmed. In spite of scary headlines that our hospitals have more in them that they did before, only one-third of those are in hospital for Covid and no hospital yet has been unable to accept patients.

- - In some degree it seems to be a function of where you get your news, sensationalism creates ratings - why not change the channel to different news or read some facts from the internet?

Those who doubt we will get a vaccine in December - Do you know non-political doctors say that is when it will happen? Again, your news channel gets ratings by scaring you. A large majority of Americans believe "the news" is often untruthful. Please cheer up. Stay home with only no-contact delivery if you decide to, but please cheer up at least about the vaccine.

Oh, and read the Great Barrington Declaration (find it through a search engine) - signed by tens of thousands of medical professionals including epidemiologists and public health officials.

Originally Posted by Travelingal702 (Post 1860784)

Even if the vaccine IS available in December, I won't be rushing to get mine. I'd want to know what the side effects are and how it interacts with my current medication. I heard that one of the side effects is mental illness. Would someone with a predisposition to dementia or Alzheimer's be more likely to be affected? And, if so, would they want the shot or would they be willing to take their chances? Something to think about.

Originally Posted by Chitown (Post 1860787)

As of today’s date in Florida. 871,000 cases, 17,400 deaths, do the math. 2% death rate, 98% recovery rate. I know of plenty of people who have had the virus and have completely recovered with minor symptoms and have no complications, including myself. Last night in Brownwood Square it was blooming there had to be 200 people on the dance floor everyone was enjoying themselves and having a great time. If you want to stay home if you wanna wear your mask by all means do so but leave us who don’t think like you alone. We will be going to the restaurants, we will be going to the town squares, we will be enjoying life without the worry of catching the virus. And if I see you in the town square or walking the street I will be very proud to shake your hand. By the way don’t feel sorry for me and I don’t wanna hear your ridiculous argument about how we don’t know what the long-term effects are even if we recover.

Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1860649)

Can the TOTV just have a CCP aka Covid ban like politics? This is just beyond ridiculous...we have been on this hamster wheel of discussion for months now and it’s NEVER going to change...are people’s lives so boring that this is the only thought or discussion they can fixate on? Yesterday we had a nut job talking about shooting people who walked to close to him on a thread, I found this just unbelievable that his posts were not removed...yet I’ve had some pretty benign comments removed on this forum...the censorship here needs to take a look at their guidelines and find some consistency....

Originally Posted by GPGuar (Post 1860810)

I couldn’t agree more, how many threads need to be written about masks or Covid19. Enough already! Wear a mask or don’t, go to the squares or stay inside, just use the common sense that God gave you and try to be safe. Covid will pass hopefully sooner than later. I like reading TOTV but I’m really getting sick of the same type of threads about masks and covid19 over and over again. JMO!

Originally Posted by acornhome (Post 1860689)

Because when you are done drinking and dancing you go to Publix, the dr’s office, or the gas station where you run into people who have been “cowering in their homes” because of compromised health issues or age but still need food, gas and to get to the drs office. That’s why.

Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1860809)

“We blew it: U.S. reaches explosive COVID-19 spread as virus is nearly impossible to control, experts say.” The recklessness of fully opening the squares without even a mask requirement can only be explained by the Developer's selfish desire to jack up his rental income from area businesses.

It is time for the Sumter County Commission to act and save lives-- not just of those idiots who will actually go to the squares, but, more importantly, the lives of the people whom they will later infect.

Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1860820)

:confused: Do you think your hatred for the developer or your name calling of residents help your argument? :shrug:

Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1860809)

not just of those idiots

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1860737)

Not a COVID denier - rather a COVID realist. We all need to be exposed for herd immunity to take effect. Be a patriot and take off your mask. Shakes hands with a stranger. Go to the town square events and mingle mingle mingle. We need to see 1,000,000 ... 2,000,000 ... 5,000,000 new cases (positivity tests - not deaths) every day. Lets "git'er done".

This is NOT sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1860649)

Can the TOTV just have a CCP aka Covid ban like politics? This is just beyond ridiculous...we have been on this hamster wheel of discussion for months now and it’s NEVER going to change...are people’s lives so boring that this is the only thought or discussion they can fixate on? Yesterday we had a nut job talking about shooting people who walked to close to him on a thread, I found this just unbelievable that his posts were not removed...yet I’ve had some pretty benign comments removed on this forum...the censorship here needs to take a look at their guidelines and find some consistency....

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1860610)

So, entertainment at the town squares were closed when the pandemic was under much better control than it currently is. Fast forward, the pandemic numbers have never been worse, and a massive influx of potential Covid spreaders are migrating south. Then the seasonal influx of high risk children and grandchildren visitors will follow. People from all over the country will be flying to Florida and converging on the 55 plus community that has been relatively safe during the slow season, where the older and more vulnerable full time residents generally take appropriate precautions. Despite this, starting next week the town squares will go back to business as usual, like the pandemic doesn’t even exist, WTF?

Could there possibly be a worse time to decide to open everything back up? I get that the powers that be need to sell all the houses they are cranking out, and it’s hard to sell houses without being able to showcase the Villages experience. But this could backfire in a big way if the Villages Covid numbers spike, which they most likely will. Not only that, but all the new houses they are trying to sell will have to compete with all the new pre-owned homes that will go on the market vacated by unfortunate Covid victims.

OK, all the Covid deniers, let me have it, I can deal with it.

Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1860820)

:confused: Do you think your hatred for the developer or your name calling of residents helps your argument? :shrug:

Originally Posted by jksturgeon (Post 1860643)

It is not the responsibility of The Villages to protect you. if you feel unsafe going to the squares, don't go.
You must take personal responsibility to protect yourself as you see fit.

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1860610)

So, entertainment at the town squares were closed when the pandemic was under much better control than it currently is. Fast forward, the pandemic numbers have never been worse, and a massive influx of potential Covid spreaders are migrating south. Then the seasonal influx of high risk children and grandchildren visitors will follow. People from all over the country will be flying to Florida and converging on the 55 plus community that has been relatively safe during the slow season, where the older and more vulnerable full time residents generally take appropriate precautions. Despite this, starting next week the town squares will go back to business as usual, like the pandemic doesn’t even exist, WTF?

Could there possibly be a worse time to decide to open everything back up? I get that the powers that be need to sell all the houses they are cranking out, and it’s hard to sell houses without being able to showcase the Villages experience. But this could backfire in a big way if the Villages Covid numbers spike, which they most likely will. Not only that, but all the new houses they are trying to sell will have to compete with all the new pre-owned homes that will go on the market vacated by unfortunate Covid victims.

OK, all the Covid deniers, let me have it, I can deal with it.

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1860610)

So, entertainment at the town squares were closed when the pandemic was under much better control than it currently is. Fast forward, the pandemic numbers have never been worse, and a massive influx of potential Covid spreaders are migrating south. Then the seasonal influx of high risk children and grandchildren visitors will follow. People from all over the country will be flying to Florida and converging on the 55 plus community that has been relatively safe during the slow season, where the older and more vulnerable full time residents generally take appropriate precautions. Despite this, starting next week the town squares will go back to business as usual, like the pandemic doesn’t even exist, WTF?

Could there possibly be a worse time to decide to open everything back up? I get that the powers that be need to sell all the houses they are cranking out, and it’s hard to sell houses without being able to showcase the Villages experience. But this could backfire in a big way if the Villages Covid numbers spike, which they most likely will. Not only that, but all the new houses they are trying to sell will have to compete with all the new pre-owned homes that will go on the market vacated by unfortunate Covid victims.

OK, all the Covid deniers, let me have it, I can deal with it.