Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1860649)

Can the TOTV just have a CCP aka Covid ban like politics? This is just beyond ridiculous...we have been on this hamster wheel of discussion for months now and it’s NEVER going to change...are people’s lives so boring that this is the only thought or discussion they can fixate on? Yesterday we had a nut job talking about shooting people who walked to close to him on a thread, I found this just unbelievable that his posts were not removed...yet I’ve had some pretty benign comments removed on this forum...the censorship here needs to take a look at their guidelines and find some consistency....

Originally Posted by Travelingal702 (Post 1860784)

Even if the vaccine IS available in December, I won't be rushing to get mine. I'd want to know what the side effects are and how it interacts with my current medication. I heard that one of the side effects is mental illness. Would someone with a predisposition to dementia or Alzheimer's be more likely to be affected? And, if so, would they want the shot or would they be willing to take their chances? Something to think about.

Originally Posted by mgkw1 (Post 1860863)

This is The Villages giving the seasonal residents and the Lifestyle guests a false sense of safety. If you golf you will see they don't offer their golf staff any protection because they don't want the people thinking they may get sick. This is not a sterile bubble, but it is a controlled environment, and we do not control it.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1860627)

The Florida strategy appears to be herd immunity. A White House official said a couple of weeks ago “we can’t control the virus” and Florida powers-that-be might feel the same way. Just my take.

Originally Posted by acornhome (Post 1860689)

Because when you are done drinking and dancing you go to Publix, the dr’s office, or the gas station where you run into people who have been “cowering in their homes” because of compromised health issues or age but still need food, gas and to get to the drs office. That’s why.

Originally Posted by jksturgeon (Post 1860643)

It is not the responsibility of The Villages to protect you. if you feel unsafe going to the squares, don't go.
You must take personal responsibility to protect yourself as you see fit.

Originally Posted by jack.hunter00@yahoo.com (Post 1860654)

They want everything to look normal so that snowbirds will come back and purchase new property which they have stock piled.
There is no concern about the population already here.

Very unfortunate

Originally Posted by Cheapbas (Post 1860648)

I believe the context was “won’t” control the virus, although your quote above is accurate.

Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1860649)

Can the TOTV just have a CCP aka Covid ban like politics? This is just beyond ridiculous...we have been on this hamster wheel of discussion for months now and it’s NEVER going to change...are people’s lives so boring that this is the only thought or discussion they can fixate on? Yesterday we had a nut job talking about shooting people who walked to close to him on a thread, I found this just unbelievable that his posts were not removed...yet I’ve had some pretty benign comments removed on this forum...the censorship here needs to take a look at their guidelines and find some consistency....

Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 1860677)

I agree with your comment , those with their hair on fire about Covid should do everything possible to protect themselves. I am in good health, thank God and am going to enjoy life.

Originally Posted by acornhome (Post 1860689)

Because when you are done drinking and dancing you go to Publix, the dr’s office, or the gas station where you run into people who have been “cowering in their homes” because of compromised health issues or age but still need food, gas and to get to the drs office. That’s why.

Originally Posted by 8notes (Post 1860722)

:bigbow: Amen. Unfortunately the selfish and entitled won't understand this.

Originally Posted by jksturgeon (Post 1860643)

It is not the responsibility of The Villages to protect you. if you feel unsafe going to the squares, don't go.
You must take personal responsibility to protect yourself as you see fit.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1860904)

Those folks who keep saying "stay home", just do not get it. They do not understand how this virus is spread.

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1860737)

Not a COVID denier - rather a COVID realist. We all need to be exposed for herd immunity to take effect. Be a patriot and take off your mask. Shakes hands with a stranger. Go to the town square events and mingle mingle mingle. We need to see 1,000,000 ... 2,000,000 ... 5,000,000 new cases (positivity tests - not deaths) every day. Lets "git'er done".

This is NOT sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Johnsocat (Post 1860749)

Recovery rate is 99+%. You got the same chances of getting pregnant with a condom. I think I'll take my chances and begin living life again. If course I'll wear mask if I cant distance myself.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1860903)

Did you hear about the 22 year old healthy as an ox young man who just died of Covid? What a shame. Good looking young guy shot down as his life was just beginning. Don't think that can't happen to any one of us. You say you are "healthy". Uh.....that doesn't help you sometimes.

Originally Posted by Scott O (Post 1860649)

Can the TOTV just have a CCP aka Covid ban like politics? This is just beyond ridiculous...we have been on this hamster wheel of discussion for months now and it’s NEVER going to change...are people’s lives so boring that this is the only thought or discussion they can fixate on? Yesterday we had a nut job talking about shooting people who walked to close to him on a thread, I found this just unbelievable that his posts were not removed...yet I’ve had some pretty benign comments removed on this forum...the censorship here needs to take a look at their guidelines and find some consistency....

Originally Posted by Lil GTO (Post 1860781)

If you’re going to get it you are and if you’re not you won’t.

Originally Posted by Travelingal702 (Post 1860784)

Even if the vaccine IS available in December, I won't be rushing to get mine. I'd want to know what the side effects are and how it interacts with my current medication. I heard that one of the side effects is mental illness. Would someone with a predisposition to dementia or Alzheimer's be more likely to be affected? And, if so, would they want the shot or would they be willing to take their chances? Something to think about.

Originally Posted by jksturgeon (Post 1860643)

It is not the responsibility of The Villages to protect you. if you feel unsafe going to the squares, don't go.
You must take personal responsibility to protect yourself as you see fit.

Originally Posted by fastboat (Post 1860786)

Simple solution for you, don't go.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1860917)

No, didn't hear about the 22 year old. Can you provide a link?

I *did* hear about the 1,000 deaths in people under 30 out of 2,500,000 cases. That's approximately a 99.96% survival rate IF there are no non-diagnosed cases. If the estimate of 6 to 10 non-diagnosed cases for every known case is correct then it becomes a 99.993% survival rate.

I also heard about the 69,000 non-Covid deaths of people under 30. With 69 times greater chance of dying from something other than Covid, if I were in that age group I don't think Covid would be on the top of my list of things to watch out for.

Originally Posted by Chitown (Post 1860787)

As of today’s date in Florida. 871,000 cases, 17,400 deaths, do the math. 2% death rate, 98% recovery rate. I know of plenty of people who have had the virus and have completely recovered with minor symptoms and have no complications, including myself. Last night in Brownwood Square it was blooming there had to be 200 people on the dance floor everyone was enjoying themselves and having a great time. If you want to stay home if you wanna wear your mask by all means do so but leave us who don’t think like you alone. We will be going to the restaurants, we will be going to the town squares, we will be enjoying life without the worry of catching the virus. And if I see you in the town square or walking the street I will be very proud to shake your hand. By the way don’t feel sorry for me and I don’t wanna hear your ridiculous argument about how we don’t know what the long-term effects are even if we recover.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1860924)

That is NOT a solution. It has been said numerous times by numerous people on this forum that those folks who go to the squares also go out into the community to all sorts of places. That is where they will be spreading their good joy this holiday season. Thanks but no thanks. You can keep your joy.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1860926)

It has been reported that people who were asymptomatic or very mild symptoms are having side effects of the virus. What those effects are, I do not know but it does not bode well that even people who were barely ill with Covid are having adverse effects after they recover.

Originally Posted by lindaelane (Post 1860725)

It is possible to entirely stay home if that is your choice. There is grocery delivery, there is delivery from the drug store (door dash) and there is telemedicine. If you need to go to your doctor's office, no one is allowed in without a temperature check, a mask and social distancing, so you are not going to catch it there. Why not let those small businesses survive?

Deaths of despair (suicide, drugs) are way up. Deaths of people not getting cancer checks are going to go way up. Deaths of people so afraid of Covid they have strokes and heart attacks and call no one are up. In New York, when the lockdown was strict, 63% of those catching the disease had been locked down. In other words, the fact that there are essential workers already means the disease can spread in the community to anyone going out at all, or letting someone in their home who goes out.

Epidemiologists before this year always said "lockdowns do not work" - exception: 100 percent lockdown early in the disease, but we can't do that. You can look up this fact on the WHO site. Epidemiologists had no evidence that lockdowns were suddenly going to work, they just used them to slow the spread, stopping hospitals from being overwhelmed. In spite of scary headlines that our hospitals have more in them that they did before, only one-third of those are in hospital for Covid and no hospital yet has been unable to accept patients.

- - In some degree it seems to be a function of where you get your news, sensationalism creates ratings - why not change the channel to different news or read some facts from the internet?

Those who doubt we will get a vaccine in December - Do you know non-political doctors say that is when it will happen? Again, your news channel gets ratings by scaring you. A large majority of Americans believe "the news" is often untruthful. Please cheer up. Stay home with only no-contact delivery if you decide to, but please cheer up at least about the vaccine.

Oh, and read the Great Barrington Declaration (find it through a search engine) - signed by tens of thousands of medical professionals including epidemiologists and public health officials.

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1860737)

Not a COVID denier - rather a COVID realist. We all need to be exposed for herd immunity to take effect. Be a patriot and take off your mask. Shakes hands with a stranger. Go to the town square events and mingle mingle mingle. We need to see 1,000,000 ... 2,000,000 ... 5,000,000 new cases (positivity tests - not deaths) every day. Lets "git'er done".

This is NOT sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Johnsocat (Post 1860749)

Recovery rate is 99+%. You got the same chances of getting pregnant with a condom. I think I'll take my chances and begin living life again. If course I'll wear mask if I cant distance myself.

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1860750)

Nonsense. This assumes you know that you are contagious. The alternative is that we assume everyone is contagious (which is what most are doing now). And that's just ridiculous. I'm not responsible for making sure others don't catch the virus. Put on YOUR mask. Wash YOUR hands. Cower in YOUR house. Then, you don't have to worry about what everyone else is doing.

As if this isn't extreme absurdity already - can we just BAN all cars / planes/ lawnmowers to protect asthmatics from dying from pollution? Why aren't you worried about that?

"And you too must take personal responsibility for not putting any pollution in the air which will cause a child with asthma to die. Do it for the children."

It involves the same logic (but not the same agenda)