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Byte1 11-14-2020 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1860903)
Did you hear about the 22 year old healthy as an ox young man who just died of Covid? What a shame. Good looking young guy shot down as his life was just beginning. Don't think that can't happen to any one of us. You say you are "healthy". Uh.....that doesn't help you sometimes.
Is that the one that was killed in a drive by shooting that was labeled "cased by COVID?"

JoMar 11-14-2020 02:00 PM
It's called acceptable collateral damage. The goal is to make sure the economy survives, make sure people come here and buy houses, that the business's in the squares have people attend so they can sell their stuff. If people get sick, or if people die it is considered collateral damage to achieve the goal and the propaganda is spewed to make it seem like it's a good thing. We used that model in the Vietnam war. There is no financial downside for opening squares or anything else until if it gets too bad that the local government is forced to do something and I don't think Sumter County has the desire to do anything. The businesses have never had a desire to do anything that wasn't mandated and the population has never had a desire to do anything if it interfered with their personal selfish agendas. The major health organizations in the world are in agreement, the major hospitals and research centers in US are in agreement that 1) there is no cure and stopping the virus won't happen until there is a vaccine and 2) while treatment has improved and they are keeping people alive, the long term effects of those with or without symptoms are unknown and 3) emerging studies that by contracting the virus, with or without symptoms, can decrease life expectancy by up to 10 years or more especially in the black and latino populations. It is comforting to know that those that are supporting the opening and selfishly want their life to return to normal have more knowledge then some of the best medical minds in the world.

Bill14564 11-14-2020 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1860932)
South Dakota had to fly CV patients to Oregon.
I would check on that. I could find no mention of it in a google search and the South Dakota Dept. of Health reports at least 33% hospital bed availability. In addition, to get to Oregon those patients would have been transported over Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. There are at least nine other states closer to South Dakota than Oregon and it's hard to believe a dozen states refused to help.

jimjamuser 11-14-2020 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Lil GTO (Post 1860781)
If you’re going to get it you are and if you’re not you won’t.
What a philosopher!

coffeebean 11-14-2020 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom M (Post 1860803)
Please cite your source before you throw stuff out like that. I believe you're confusing a side effect of COVID survivors as mental illness (all the more reason to get the vaccine). And "mental illness" includes depression and anxiety - both of which are certainly understandable if someone gets Covid.
Agree with your post above.

Article about what to expect with the Covid vaccine. Mental illness is not mentioned......

Covid-19 vaccines may have potentially unpleasant side effects

Kilmacowen 11-14-2020 02:24 PM
Covid patients need Intensive care beds, not just any bed.

Marykschulz 11-14-2020 02:26 PM
Our governor is part of the problem, stifling daily Covid reports. The Orlando Sentinel has had to use legal means to get the information. Pretending everything is ok does not make it so. The people who do don’t believe in Covid should sign a waiver saying they won’t seek hospital care if they get infected.

coffeebean 11-14-2020 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GPGuar (Post 1860810)
I couldn’t agree more, how many threads need to be written about masks or Covid19. Enough already! Wear a mask or don’t, go to the squares or stay inside, just use the common sense that God gave you and try to be safe. Covid will pass hopefully sooner than later. I like reading TOTV but I’m really getting sick of the same type of threads about masks and covid19 over and over again. JMO!
You can choose not to click on the thread that discusses Covid or anything to do with Covid. It really is a very simple fix for you. Many of us enjoy the discussion so we decide to click on the thread. Click or don't click.....that is the decision you must make. Not too tough, is it?

jimjamuser 11-14-2020 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by shut the front door (Post 1860838)
This is what the sky is falling crowd refuse to accept. Yes, covid cases have gone up. THAT IS GOOD! You know why? Because hospitalizations and deaths have gone DOWN! That means herd immunity is spreading.
When I use the FL dashboard, I am only interested in hospitalizations and deaths. The rest is just numbers for the "I'm not living my life and I don't want anyone else to, either" crowd to whine about.
A strange distortion of REALITY - those statements. Every TV channel is showing that Utah is at Hospital capacity, they are deciding who lives or dies. This COULD(?) be you someday that the Doctors are deciding about whether YOU die. Maybe they just flip a coin? Wisconsin has 37% positive cases. Every THIRD person is INFECTED! How is THAT NOT an emergency? The US Constitution does NOT give the people dancing at the squares the right to endanger the lives of ANY other people. They are WRONG and double wrong!

Tom M 11-14-2020 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by doodles (Post 1860879)
Was announced that essential services will be first the rest of us should not expect vaccines until April at the earliest
Please cite sources. The CDC does not say anything about April. They mention some will be available by the end of this year.Frequently Asked Questions about COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

Fauci mentioned that it would be available to all Americans by April. That's toward the end of the vaccine period, not the beginning. Those over age 65 will likely be earlier.

‘Help is coming — and it’s coming soon’: Dr. Fauci outlines when COVID-19 vaccine will be available to all Americans - MarketWatch

I remain hopeful that seniors and those at risk will have vaccines available to them by January/February.

jimjamuser 11-14-2020 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 1860839)
In reality , you anti maskers and risk takers are putting the healthcare workers at risk and other people in your community and most likely looking for attention . When there are no more ventilators for you or a shortage of doctors or nurses , don’t complain about it . As you say , “live your life “ without being able to breath and don’t complain about it , Sadly . You are a healthcare workers worst nightmare. No the squares should not reopen right now . The country just saw its highest one day new cases number of Covid 19 , 152,000 in a day . At that rate it means every 10 days 1 million 520 thousand people will have contracted Covid 19 . In 100 days a 3rd of the country could contract the virus . That’s pretty serious numbers all because people want to live their life and not take precautions like the smart people who do . You can’t blame the President for this . Thank you for the people who are taking precautions and sacrificing and staying home. God speed . We can fight and stop this .
You are THE MAN - Mr. Marine. You are a credit to your country and to TV Land. May your spirit, intelligence, and clarity of thinking and writing live on FOREVER! God loves his Jarheads.

Tom M 11-14-2020 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1860921)
I read just the opposite about side effects. I read that a sore arm is a common side effect but no other problems have arisen with the vaccine. Hmmm. I guess it depends on the news source. I believe I heard about no serious side effects from one of the TV networks.
I've been looking around and can't find any of these dramatic side effects...
Side Effects of COVID-19 Vaccines By Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, J&J | Observer

coffeebean 11-14-2020 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Plain&peanut (Post 1860827)
If people think they will die or get sick from going to the squares then they should stay home. It’s that simple. Personal responsibility
Life has choices.
Have you been listening? Those folks who will pack the squares will also go out into the community and pass along the virus to those around them. Masks do help to minimize the risk of contracting Covid but they are not 100%. Not even N95 masks are 100% protective. Social distancing is another form of mitigation but that is not 100% either. Aerosols, carrying the virus, can float in the air for several hours and can infect people, even if they have on masks.

Masks and social distancing are not 100% protective but do lower the risk of contracting Covid. Holding up at home is not an option for many people so why do you want to put unsuspecting people at risk of contracting the virus? You are not doing your part to slow the spread of the virus. That is not very neighborly.

Advogado 11-14-2020 02:39 PM
North Dakota just became the 35th state to implement a state-wide mask mandate. Masks will become mandatory here, sooner or later. It is just a question of whether thousands of Floridians will unnecessarily die before our politicians (either state or county) muster the political courage to do the right thing..

Bill14564 11-14-2020 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kilmacowen (Post 1860951)
Covid patients need Intensive care beds, not just any bed.
Assuming this was directed at my comment....

This is not exactly true. According to the SD DoH, Covid patients are occupying 20% of their staffed hospital beds. According to the same page, 33.1% of their ICU beds are unoccupied.

Regardless of the type of bed, the fact still remains that there are a dozen states closer than Oregon that patients could have been driven to or flown to if necessary. It's possible that Oregon was chosen for some reason but I would expect to be able to find a source for that claim.

jimjamuser 11-14-2020 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kanoa1kale2 (Post 1860843)
Just a basic understanding is needed of the economic vs need of quarantine. This country cannot survive another economic shutdown. We, in the Villages, have a bubble oriented view of the situation. Many are much older and have many comorbidities. Those people should definitely stay secluded and safe. Since we rely on retirement income, we aren't really affected much by the shutdown, other than the obvious isolation and lack of activities. However, perhaps we need to go talk to our "essential" workers who are asked to place their health on the line to provide us with our day to day needs. Are we willing to share our income to those laid off, with children and mortgages or rent to help them survive? The shutdown limited medical operations for "non-essential" surgeries or elective operations. Medical procedures that could have diagnosed deadly diseases earlier were bypassed in order to satisfy the lockdown. Covid has a 99% recovery rate for most people. If you are susceptible, stay home. Don't go running around looking for problems and trying to impress your dangerous comorbidities onto the rest of us. Stay home, take advantage of the many online order and delivery systems available to remain safe. Always remember, if you do this, you will not encounter those who are out and they become no danger to you. The vaccine is about six months out according to most "experts" guesses. The U.S. population is approx. 328 million, the covid cases are approx 11 million, giving us 317 million future targets for the virus. We are NOT going to control it anymore than we control other annual illnesses like the flu each year. We minimize it's affect as best we can and move on with our lives and continually search for better vaccines and support procedures for those that contract it.
I don't agree with everything, but it WAS really well written.

coffeebean 11-14-2020 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 1860839)
In reality , you anti maskers and risk takers are putting the healthcare workers at risk and other people in your community and most likely looking for attention . When there are no more ventilators for you or a shortage of doctors or nurses , don’t complain about it . As you say , “live your life “ without being able to breath and don’t complain about it , Sadly . You are a healthcare workers worst nightmare. No the squares should not reopen right now . The country just saw its highest one day new cases number of Covid 19 , 152,000 in a day . At that rate it means every 10 days 1 million 520 thousand people will have contracted Covid 19 . In 100 days a 3rd of the country could contract the virus . That’s pretty serious numbers all because people want to live their life and not take precautions like the smart people who do . You can’t blame the President for this . Thank you for the people who are taking precautions and sacrificing and staying home. God speed . We can fight and stop this .
I blame him. If it weren't for his anti mask and anti social distancing stance, he would have EASILY won this election. It is on him. He could have had another four years in the WH and he screwed it up all by himself.

coffeebean 11-14-2020 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dayeight99 (Post 1860845)
Stay home.
NO!!I'm not going to stay home. I want to be a member of society who supports our restaurants, big box stores, small business, fitness centers, gas stations, retail stores, movie theaters (when ever they open up), coffee shops, etc, etc, etc. I'm doing my part to allow the economy to recover, keep the economy healthy and eventually thrive. That is what I'm doing and I do it with a mask on indoors and I keep my distance from others at all times. No reason for anyone to not remain employed and support their families if people adhere to the CDC guidelines.

American cities which are having spikes due to folks who are "Living their lives" are beginning to have shut downs and impose curfews. THAT is what happens when people "Live their lives". Do you understand why that is happening?

We can continue to "live our lives" as long as we wear masks and remain diligent about keeping our distance from others. That means no shoulder to shoulder proximity to others you do not know. The squares are a perfect example of that. I'm staying away from the squares but, NO, I will not stay home.

coffeebean 11-14-2020 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by nick demis (Post 1860857)
Do what you want. Don't dictate what I should do.
It is people like you who have fueled this pandemic. Thank you. NOT!

coffeebean 11-14-2020 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1860859)
No one is denying Covid, just the insane paranoia associated with it. People screamed about the Trump rally and how, 2 weeks later there would be this massive outbreak of Covid. Didn't happen although I am sure some were hoping for it. Some are calling for a mask mandate and another complete lockdown all for a virus that has a 99.9% recovery rate! Absolutely insane. Many accuse those who refuse to wear masks as ignorant and selfish when the "science" of CDC has admitted that 84% of those who tested positive wore a mask most if not all the time. I don't ridicule those who wear a mask but respect their decision as well as their health issues that would make them more at risk. Is it too much to respect the personal decisions of those who choose not to buy in to this hysteria?
NOT TRUE! That information was misinterpreted. Please Google the subject and you will see FACT CHECK shows it is not true. I don't want to link to articles about this because I'm sure this post would be deleted. Just know, that claim has been debunked.

coffeebean 11-14-2020 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Seve1 (Post 1860877)
Man you folks are jumping to unfounded conclusions. They have been limiting the crowds and masks are mandatory. It is outside. If people are uncomfortable with the situation, please stay home. My wife and I stay away, but don’t begrudge those that attend the square activities as long as they follow the vivid guidelines. We are all adults here and personally I’m fine with the way it’s been handled. We need to live our lives, we’ve had flu virus for a long time and never locked down. Even the crazy WHO said lockdowns don’t work. Some of you people are getting paranoid again. Like I said if you’re concerned stay home.
I guess you haven't heard......All three squares will be open to everyone, no tickets required as of November 18th. The squares will be back to business as usual as in pre-pandemic. I won't be going until I'm vaccinated.

ts12755 11-14-2020 03:21 PM
We have therapeutics and soon a vaccine... Thanks to China it is here to stay, just like the regular flu virus. As we get back to normal, 80 million Americans will get Covid each year, just like regular flu. Also, just like regular flu expect 70,000 to die each year from Covid. It is here to stay. Get used to it. Go on with your life. Yes, tens of thousands will die each year, even with a vaccine. This is the new normal. Live, you dont have many years left.

ts12755 11-14-2020 03:24 PM
Exactly

Polar Bear 11-14-2020 03:26 PM
As of the 18th, do you still need to provide your own chairs?

coffeebean 11-14-2020 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 1860910)
I suggest for your safety that you move to a remote area and stay indoors. Your welcome.
Who did you direct this comment to? Please QUOTE the post when you are directing a comment to someone. Thanks.

ts12755 11-14-2020 03:31 PM
Your ignorance is glaring. Don't you understand this pandemic. The only way to stop this pandemic is to shut down the entire world. 100 percent shut down. No grocery stores, no pharmacies, no TV or radio employees. No hospital workers, no police or firepersons leave their homes. No school operate. This has to take place across the world. No travel by car, plane, or ship. No food processing. If the world can do this, for at least 3 months we can stop covid. If not, learn to live with it. The president gave us therapeutics and a vaccine.

coffeebean 11-14-2020 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1860917)
No, didn't hear about the 22 year old. Can you provide a link?

I *did* hear about the 1,000 deaths in people under 30 out of 2,500,000 cases. That's approximately a 99.96% survival rate IF there are no non-diagnosed cases. If the estimate of 6 to 10 non-diagnosed cases for every known case is correct then it becomes a 99.993% survival rate.

I also heard about the 69,000 non-Covid deaths of people under 30. With 69 times greater chance of dying from something other than Covid, if I were in that age group I don't think Covid would be on the top of my list of things to watch out for.
I heard about the 22 year old male on a newscast on TV just yesterday. His mother was interviewed. I can not find an article to link regarding this young guy. There is, however, an article from April of a 22 year old Tulsa man, new dad, who passed away from Covid. Google it.

coffeebean 11-14-2020 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1860925)
There was a young athletic guy whose death was attributed to Covid. Turned out he had undiagnosed leukemia which made him very susceptible to getting sick. Not sure if that is the same guy or not.
No, doesn't sound like the same 22 year old man. His mother was interviewed on TV and she said he was very healthy.

coffeebean 11-14-2020 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1860930)
Life comes with risks. Same thing could be said of pneumonia, the flu, strep or any other contagious illness. There can be lingering after affects. That doesn't mean you shut down the country and go into self isolation - there will always be viruses out there, it will never be completely safe.
I'm not a proponent of shut downs. Just the opposite. I'm all for going about our lives as best we can, out and about in the community but be smart about it. Always wear masks when in public spaces indoors and keep your distance from others. Outdoors, I'm NOT a proponent of wearing a mask unless you can not keep a safe distance from others. Please.....no shut downs. I do not want to see that happen.

Dana1963 11-14-2020 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1860971)
NOT TRUE! That information was misinterpreted. Please Google the subject and you will see FACT CHECK shows it is not true. I don't want to link to articles about this because I'm sure this post would be deleted. Just know, that claim has been debunked.
Since you won't due it I will your assertion was debunked.
Fact check: Does CDC study show '85 percent' of COVID-19 patients wore masks? Not exactly. :: WRAL.com

coffeebean 11-14-2020 03:44 PM
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Dana1963 11-14-2020 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1860979)
No, doesn't sound like the same 22 year old man. His mother was interviewed on TV and she said he was very healthy.
Leukemia is a curable disease it's not what killed this person.

Jpk180 11-14-2020 03:52 PM
When Biden takes office his COVID task force is already talking about a 4-6 week shutdown of THE COUNTRY so nobody will have to worry about the squares or any other business being open, good luck

coffeebean 11-14-2020 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kilmacowen (Post 1860951)
Covid patients need Intensive care beds, not just any bed.
There are not enough ICU trained staff to work ICU. Hospitals are "floating" staff nurses to work in ICU. That does not give me warm fuzzies knowing that might be me or a loved one in ICU, being cared for by a floor nurse. But......that's just me.

coffeebean 11-14-2020 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1860963)
Assuming this was directed at my comment....

This is not exactly true. According to the SD DoH, Covid patients are occupying 20% of their staffed hospital beds. According to the same page, 33.1% of their ICU beds are unoccupied.

Regardless of the type of bed, the fact still remains that there are a dozen states closer than Oregon that patients could have been driven to or flown to if necessary. It's possible that Oregon was chosen for some reason but I would expect to be able to find a source for that claim.
I Googled it and could not find that information.

woderfulwendy1 11-14-2020 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1860610)
So, entertainment at the town squares were closed when the pandemic was under much better control than it currently is. Fast forward, the pandemic numbers have never been worse, and a massive influx of potential Covid spreaders are migrating south. Then the seasonal influx of high risk children and grandchildren visitors will follow. People from all over the country will be flying to Florida and converging on the 55 plus community that has been relatively safe during the slow season, where the older and more vulnerable full time residents generally take appropriate precautions. Despite this, starting next week the town squares will go back to business as usual, like the pandemic doesn’t even exist, WTF?

Could there possibly be a worse time to decide to open everything back up? I get that the powers that be need to sell all the houses they are cranking out, and it’s hard to sell houses without being able to showcase the Villages experience. But this could backfire in a big way if the Villages Covid numbers spike, which they most likely will. Not only that, but all the new houses they are trying to sell will have to compete with all the new pre-owned homes that will go on the market vacated by unfortunate Covid victims.

OK, all the Covid deniers, let me have it, I can deal with it.
Stay home, there is nothing that can't be delivered to you!

coffeebean 11-14-2020 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1860982)
Thank you. Maybe those who believe that lie will no longer spread that misinformation.

Bill14564 11-14-2020 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1860995)
I Googled it and could not find that information.
Practice makes perfect.

Available beds: Start with doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx then click on the Hospital Capacity tab.

States closer to South Dakota: Try google maps for one

coffeebean 11-14-2020 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpk180 (Post 1860988)
When Biden takes office his COVID task force is already talking about a 4-6 week shutdown of THE COUNTRY so nobody will have to worry about the squares or any other business being open, good luck
Look what the shut down did for us back in April and look at where we are today. Shut downs are NOT the answer. Dr. Fauci is not a proponent of shut downs. I surely hope it does not come to that. America will not be able to recover from another national shut down.

Bill14564 11-14-2020 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1860998)
Thank you. Maybe those who believe that lie will no longer spread that misinformation.
A lot of misrepresentation on this one and a CDC contradiction.

No, not 85% of all patients were found to be wearing masks. While Tucker and Trump seemed to be claiming that, it just wasn't true.

However, 85% of the patients in the particular study reported wearing masks most of the time. Of course, this makes sense since ."CDC guidance on masks has clearly stated that wearing a mask is intended to protect other people in case the mask wearer is infected," It doesn't matter if the patient was wearing a mask, it matters whether the others were wearing masks.

The CDC spokesperson goes on to say, "At no time has CDC guidance suggested that masks were intended to protect the wearers." Well, it does now. Which makes you wonder what those 131 patients that reported wearing masks all or most of the time think about that.


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