[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Look at the new case numbers for the long standing mandatory mask wearing states. They are, in most cases, spiking at a rate equal to or greater than states without mandatory requirements.

Well, they must be doing SOMETHING wrong.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Swoop

"An advisor to President-elect Joe Biden has said that closing businesses for four to six weeks could help keep reduce the number of infections and get the economy on track until a vaccine is approved and distributed."
That is a scary, misguided statement. Closing businesses for 4-6 weeks will get the economy on track?!?!?

That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s Biden’s intent to do so. Can you post the source please, for full context?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Niferlou06

AGREE, agree, and agree more with you. Just because time has passed does not mean we should lower our defences or attention. Now more than ever EVERYONE MUST WEAR MASKS, remain away from ALL crowds, to include all Villages activities and clubs. Sorry, but if we truly want this to go away we need to be vigilant now, more than ever.

Wearing masks will NOT make Covid “go away”. At best they may help slow the spread.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s Biden’s intent to do so. Can you post the source please, for full context?

CNBC
Shutting down businesses and paying people for lost wages for four to six weeks could help keep the coronavirus pandemic in check and get the economy on track until a vaccine is approved and distributed, said Dr. Michael Osterholm, a coronavirus advisor to President-elect Joe Biden.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yes, and the KKK wore masks before anyone ever heard of the word antifa (which is NOT an organized group, for the umpteenth time, sheesh).

That has NOTHING to do with the need to wear masks during a pandemic. Nothing, zilch, nada, zip.

Try to stay on topic.

Yes, people have a need, as social creatures of the human race, to be social creatures and interact with each other. Yes, it is considered "cruel and inhuman punishment" to force anyone into isolation or intimidate them through YOUR actions such that they feel unsafe in your presence.

Yes, people who REFUSE (not merely forget, and not have some life-threatening disease that might exist but I've never actually hard of a real actual bonafide example of) to wear a mask, ARE uncaring dolts. Yes, they are. There is no "fine people on both sides." There are two sides here. The people who - regardless of how they feel about masks - are willing to wear them as a courtesy and consideration to their fellow human being. And there are people who don't care, and won't wear them, period.

People can ABSOLUTELY congregate. They can hang out at each others' houses, they can go to school, they can dance in the squares, they can vote in elections in person, they can shop in the supermarket, they can go to the movies.

They can ALSO be required to wear masks while they're doing it. The thing is - no one should need someone else to "require" it. But sadly - some people are SO myopic, SO selfish, SO aggressively nasty, that they will REFUSE to comply and allow mask-wearing to become a social nicety, and the rest of society is allowing them to change the entire tone of society into one of anger and "my rights are more important than your health." We are no longer a community. There is no spin on this. A community works together. We work against each other. Therefore, we are not a community.

We're just a bunch of neighborhoods where people all live. That's all we are now.

Sad but true commentary.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Well, they must be doing SOMETHING wrong.

Yet, you would feel safer in those places with curfews, mask mandates, shut downs and schools shuttered.....even though all of those draconian measures are not helping. Does that even make sense?

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Swoop

CNBC
Shutting down businesses and paying people for lost wages for four to six weeks could help keep the coronavirus pandemic in check and get the economy on track until a vaccine is approved and distributed, said Dr. Michael Osterholm, a coronavirus advisor to President-elect Joe Biden.

Thanks Swoop. That’s “advice” TO Biden, which he may or may not follow, right?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by denniskathyb

Most of my golfing buddies believe that the numbers are only going up because of increased testing. More testing more cases uncovered. (ie: Trump's position).
I disagree.

Without a doubt....more testing yields higher numbers. BUT.....many people are tested multiple times and each one of those tests are counted as a NEW case. That is just irresponsibly wrong on every level. I'm appalled at how the records are being kept in this country. It seems so antiquated. This is why I pay absolutely no attention to the numbers of any sort. I pay attention to how over whelmed the hospitals and health care workers are. I pay attention to how many satellite hospital beds are being set up in parking lots. I pay attention to the refrigerated trucks being used to store bodies because morges are filled to capacity. Nope.....I don't pay attention to the numbers.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

It has been reported that people who were asymptomatic or very mild symptoms are having side effects of the virus. What those effects are, I do not know but it does not bode well that even people who were barely ill with Covid are having adverse effects after they recover.

So, it has been REPORTED but they failed to REPORT what the side effects are? Then, it wasn't reported. More fake news.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Thanks Swoop. That’s “advice” TO Biden, which he may or may not follow, right?

From boropark24.com:

“Just last month, at a town hall in Philadelphia, Biden said, "I don't think there's a need to lock down...I laid out a plan [on] how you can open businesses. You can open businesses and schools if in fact you provide them the guidance they need as well as the money to be able to do it.”

Here’s Osterholm’s latest take of HIS opinion of a shutdown which weakens the case further that Biden would follow it.

Biden adviser walks back earlier proposal calling for lockdown - ABC News

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Thanks Swoop. That’s “advice” TO Biden, which he may or may not follow, right?

That is correct. But he named him as a Coronavirus adviser after he came out with his recommendation to shut down the economy.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Not sarcasm, but it is complete stupidity.............the idea of Herd Immunity

Herd immunity is what Fauci and other "experts" were pushing for early on. Now it's stupidity? I don't think so. It's REALISTIC as my original post read.

If flu vaccine penetration is any guide, less than 40% will take a vaccine that comes along. I think even less than the flu vaccine participants will accept it because it is new and rushed. Everyone saying they don't know what the future holds in terms of residual effects of getting the virus is not considering the unknown of a vaccine. Sure, they tested it. And those tested have had the vaccine for at most weeks or months. But the non-realists are worrying about months and years after getting the virus.

I prefer to trust my God-given immune system to take care of this much more than I trust Pfizer.

Again - REALISM. No matter what you think is stupid, REALITY will run you over like a truck. If only 30% get the vaccine, we are still going with herd immunity by INFECTION (not necessarily sickness or death). What if 90% get this new-fangled vaccine because it's free and widely available and suddenly MILLIONS are dying. What then? Personally, I will be calling that STUPID.

On the plus side, that will make a lot of water front property available and good prices and simultaneously solve the social security financial mess. I think those relying on a vaccine are the stupid ones.

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I AM very worried about pollution....both gas pollution and noise pollution from cars AND lawnmowers. Besides bad air to breathe, pollution CAUSES Global Warming (oh, oh, I just said that bad, ugly word - around here). The fact that you are NOT is a condemnation of the US education system that is producing SCIENCE-DENIERS (oh, another BAD word - I am going to wash my mouth out with soap). Please excuse me!

But, why aren't cars / planes / lawnmowers banned then?

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Well, they must be doing SOMETHING wrong.

No shirt, no shoes, no mask, NO SERVICE

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

From boropark24.com:

“Just last month, at a town hall in Philadelphia, Biden said, "I don't think there's a need to lock down...I laid out a plan [on] how you can open businesses. You can open businesses and schools if in fact you provide them the guidance they need as well as the money to be able to do it.”

Here’s Osterholm’s latest take of HIS opinion of a shutdown which weakens the case further that Biden would follow it.

Biden adviser walks back earlier proposal calling for lockdown - ABC News

Well, it seems as though Florida is about a thousand steps ahead of Biden because schools and businesses here are reopened and Desantis has said there will be no more shutdowns or mask mandates in this state. Other states' supreme courts have ruled that the shutdowns are unconstitutional....so, yeah, Biden probably wouldn't have much luck with a national shutdown even if he ordered one.