[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

The vaccine was approved on Dec 18. Did anyone expect the entire country to be vaccinated in 16 days?

I don't know how many doses they can produce in a day but it's going to take a while to produce 330 million. Then they have to produce another 330 million. Then there is the issue with this product having to be stored at -95 degrees. Transportation and distribution are going to take a while.

We're only 16 days out people.

Nobody expected the entire country to be vaccinated in 2 weeks but some folks who are supposed to actually know said 20,000,000 will and now are playing the semantics game with "we never said shots given we said shots DELIVERED" ....... to the states who have very little physical resources (PEOPLE) to give the shots. Also, only the Pfizer requires -95 degrees, the Moderna can go into a regular freezer.


But yes, it's gonna take a LONG time as it is a major rollout. We have to be patient but publicly promoted expectations need to be REALISTIC.

[C. C. Rider]

Originally Posted by BayLady57

Actually there is such a tool available which is used by the VA. This tool called the Care Assessment Needs or CAN tool that was established in 2013 when the PACT model of care was being rolled out with the goal to better manage chronic diseases and provide earlier intervention to reduce rehospitalizations. This tool compiles multifaceted patient data which generates a score that identify patients who statistically are at the highest risk for hospitalization and mortality. So for example, an 85 year old with few if any chronic diseases, minimal if any hospitalizations, and lives in a single family dwelling will generate a lower CAN score than a 65 year old who lives in a communal living environment such as a nursing home and has multiple chronic diseases that resulted in frequent hospitalizations. Being a VA primary care R.N. I use the CAN tool daily to identify patients that I need to outreach frequently to assess for evolving status changes so that early interventions can be implemented to avoid further status decline.

Not sure if the VA will be using the entire CAN score to determine which patients will be 1st offered Covid vaccines. But I am pretty certain that those Vets residing in communal living situations such as nursing homes and Vets living in group homes and shelters regardless of age and health statue will be offered 1st and encouraged to receive Covid vaccines because due to their communal living situations they are at a very high risk for Covid contraction and spreading it to others they live with communally.

Yeah, but the population of veterans receiving care in VA facilities is a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions of people in the US who all want to be vaccinated RIGHT NOW! How do you propose that all the information be obtained and input into computers for every one of these hundreds of millions of people in the next week or so?

Also, since everyone has their own reasons or agenda as to why they should be first in line, it's unlikely that they would go along with a system such as the VA uses unless it put THEM first in line. That's just the way people are today.

Veterans, OTOH, are pretty much accustomed to being viewed as just one of huge group whose individual needs are subordinated to the overall group mission. The general public today has no such view of things and is unlikely to agree to ANY rating policy that doesn't put THEM first in line.

That's why I think the AGE ONLY method of determining priority is the best, easiest, and quickest to implement and use. Anything other than that is going to result in constant conflict and disagreement over whose condition warrants more consideration than someone else's condition.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Professor

Anyone have any luck getting a vaccination scheduled in Sumter county today?

Ha! What a joke. Sumter Health uses it's main number for people to call , including health
care workers, and guess what? System overload. Line has been instantly busy sine 7:55 AM. Hope no one has a legit reason to all for anything else.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Advogado

A partial answer to the question, "Where is our vaccine?" is: At least some of it is in the arms of the Developer's cronies.

Allowing those cronies to cut in line ahead of health-care workers and nursing-home patients was reprehensible, and it may result in the death of some of the high-risk individuals whose doses were, in effect, stolen.

Seriously?? Why are you still living in TV if you are so unhappy and prone to
conspiracy theories?

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Nobody expected the entire country to be vaccinated in 2 weeks but some folks who are supposed to actually know said 20,000,000 will and now are playing the semantics game with "we never said shots given we said shots DELIVERED" ....... to the states who have very little physical resources (PEOPLE) to give the shots. Also, only the Pfizer requires -95 degrees, the Moderna can go into a regular freezer.


But yes, it's gonna take a LONG time as it is a major rollout. We have to be patient but publicly promoted expectations need to be REALISTIC.

Actually it is the states that have the resources to give the shots. Do you think doctors and nurses from Washington DC are going to come to the states? You are asking for accuracy in vaccination forecasts that is not possible at the start of a major program.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Seriously?? Why are you still living in TV if you are so unhappy and prone to
conspiracy theories?

It's ok, the poster is expressing his disappointment that he isn't one of the cronies. If he was I suspect he would have been up there. Another perspective, we need somewhere around 130,000 doses to get everyone in Sumter their first shot, then another 130,000 doses for the second shot. The 5 or so doses that were given is the proverbial drop in the bucket. This will take a long time, take a breath and keep masking, spacing and washing let's help each other until we can get the vaccine.

[dahrens1]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Ha! What a joke. Sumter Health uses it's main number for people to call , including health
care workers, and guess what? System overload. Line has been instantly busy sine 7:55 AM. Hope no one has a legit reason to all for anything else.

I finally got through and was told all appointments have been filled for now and to call back later in the week to try to make an appointment. I admit that a system that utilizes appointments is much better than first come first served that we have seen results in long lines of people waiting for hours to get vaccinated. But Sumter county knew this was coming and had months to prepare, is this really the best solution they could come up with?

Originally Posted by chet2020

We currently have no problem with vaccine distribution. We have a problem with getting needles in arms. Regardless, the current Surgeon General is not in charge of either component, and the new Surgeon General won't be either. The new Surgeon General was asked his opinion on how fast vaccinations would happen, and he estimated most Americans would be vaccinated by Summer 2021. If the new guys pull this off given the botched roll-out, it will hardly be "failure before trying."

Oh more excuses, blame the future distribution failure on the people who got the impossible to do vaccine developed and got the vaccine distribution started.

You left out that the new SG said lots things could go wrong on meeting that Summer 2021 target leaving plenty of wiggle room for failure to meet the Operation Warp Speed vaccine rollout schedule.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by John41

Actually it is the states that have the resources to give the shots. Do you think doctors and nurses from Washington DC are going to come to the states? You are asking for accuracy in vaccination forecasts that is not possible at the start of a major program.

The STATES DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES and THAT is the problem. They are having enough problems using their existing resources to take care of existing patients. I DO NOT expect the feds to send people all over the country and THAT IS the problem with getting the shots out to PEOPLE and not stuck in freezers. There was no preparation and coordination with the states, As Mr Romney stated SOMETHING IS WRONG. There is no comprehensive vaccination plan. Only plan is to UPS/FEDEX them to the counties and say "good luck." Hopefully something will happen in the next few weeks to move this along. From the link copied below:

Romney: Urgent Action Needed on Vaccination Plan | Senator Mitt Romney

“First, call on people who have carried out widespread vaccination programs elsewhere or in the past. Learn from their experience.

“Second, enlist every medical professional, retired or active, who is not currently engaged in the delivery of care. This could include veterinarians, combat medics and corpsmen, medical students, EMS professionals, first responders, and many others who could be easily trained to administer vaccines. Congress has already appropriated funding for states so that these professionals can be fully compensated.

“Public health professionals will easily point out the errors in this plan—so they should develop better alternatives based on experience, modeling and trial. The current program is woefully behind despite the fact that it encompasses the two easiest populations to vaccinate: frontline workers and long-term care residents. Unless new strategies and plans are undertaken, the deadly delays may be compounded as broader and more complex populations are added. We are already behind; urgent action now can help us catch up.”

[billethkid]

What is wrong with using the existing flu shot distribution system utilizing pharmacies/big box stores/doctor's offices....

Politicians have no clue how to plan in advance. Their version of fire prevention is....when you see the flames then......

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by John41

Oh more excuses, blame the future distribution failure on the people who got the impossible to do vaccine developed and got the vaccine distribution started.

You left out that the new SG said lots things could go wrong on meeting that Summer 2021 target leaving plenty of wiggle room for failure to meet the Operation Warp Speed vaccine rollout schedule.

So the new SG told the truth instead of "pie in the sky" verbage. Lock him up or whatever the new rally cry is.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by B-flat

Opinion | When Can I Get a Coronavirus Vaccine in America? - The New York Times

Not sure how accurate the NYT estimator is? I entered my age and the other related questions for Marion County and Sumter County. In Marion it tells me there are 161,000 others ahead of me. In Sumter it indicates 62,000 ahead of me. Being familiar with the demographics for Sumter I'm not so sure how accurate the estimates are.

This is an opinion. Not anything scientific or mathematical.

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

The STATES DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES and THAT is the problem. They are having enough problems using their existing resources to take care of existing patients. I DO NOT expect the feds to send people all over the country and THAT IS the problem with getting the shots out to PEOPLE and not stuck in freezers. There was no preparation and coordination with the states, As Mr Romney stated SOMETHING IS WRONG. There is no comprehensive vaccination plan. Only plan is to UPS/FEDEX them to the counties and say "good luck." Hopefully something will happen in the next few weeks to move this along. From the link copied below:

Romney: Urgent Action Needed on Vaccination Plan | Senator Mitt Romney

“First, call on people who have carried out widespread vaccination programs elsewhere or in the past. Learn from their experience.

“Second, enlist every medical professional, retired or active, who is not currently engaged in the delivery of care. This could include veterinarians, combat medics and corpsmen, medical students, EMS professionals, first responders, and many others who could be easily trained to administer vaccines. Congress has already appropriated funding for states so that these professionals can be fully compensated.

“Public health professionals will easily point out the errors in this plan—so they should develop better alternatives based on experience, modeling and trial. The current program is woefully behind despite the fact that it encompasses the two easiest populations to vaccinate: frontline workers and long-term care residents. Unless new strategies and plans are undertaken, the deadly delays may be compounded as broader and more complex populations are added. We are already behind; urgent action now can help us catch up.”

The CDC did develop and publish a comprehensive plan for vaccine distribution. If the states are busy their patients and the feds are busy with their patients where are these doctors and nurses going to come from that are needed? Take time to think the issue through instead of relying on political sound bytes from Romney and Gates.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Seriously?? Why are you still living in TV if you are so unhappy and prone to
conspiracy theories?

Not a conspiracy theory, it was in the newspaper!

[yabbadu]

WARP Speed at a DEAD STOP!!!!