[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bob.Betty

I respectfully disagree, Masks will not end the virus

Agree, masks will not end the virus

The usual paper mask is essentially useless except for preventing one infected person from spreading COVID to many unvaccinated people, indoors when not socially distanced

For personal protection you would need a properly fitted N-95 mask or better; a NASA certified space suit or a level 4 lab biocontainment suit would be better

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by Penglobal

Both myself and two friends attended a concert at the Savannah Center Performing Arts Theater in the Villages last night. The Savannah Center is a beautiful venue, everyone working the venue was very nice and polite and the guest appeared to have a great time. Although I have a very positive vibe towards the Savannah Center, I am bit let down that this great venue has declined to enforce social distancing and declined enforcing a mask mandate while its guest are indoors and especially when so many guest are squeezed together in such a tight space.

I was amazed that the venue with approximately 600 guest were tightly squeezed together, sitting next to one another and hardly anyone, except for a handful were wearing protective mask. No one was socially distancing themselves and in my opinion, all the progress made with the declining COVID infection rate will be lost and the rate of COVID infection will rise again.

Since I'm certain this same scenario of not properly protecting ourselves while indoors in public and still many haven't even vaccinated themselves against COVID is occurring throughout our country, I get this bad feeling that come this winter, our country is going back to another lockdown as we haven't learn yet to protect ourselves.

We have been to a lot of entertainment venues for years small, large not really interested in seeing cover bands at Savanna when we have enjoyed the originals. Looking forward Eagles Concert TD Garden Boston I have my tickets and vaccination cards.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Mrprez

Do Masks Work? Viral immunologist Dr. Byram Bridle performs a simple experiment to see. - YouTube

Certainly even one of those surgical masks can contain droplets from a cough or sneeze as those are the larger offenders that contain THOUSANDS of virus particles. Masking together with social distancing is what has been requested of us from the very beginning of this pandemic.

I have seen another video of a guy wearing several surgical masks, using infra red cameras and his “experiment” revealed the exact opposite of this guy. Barely any aerosols escaped the masks. With each removal of a mask, there were more aerosols spewed into the air but no where near the amount of aerosols with no mask at all.

Bottom line……this guy with the fogging up glasses did not convince me that masks do not work.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And that sucks, I hope they get better. But I doubt any of those children were attending an unmasked performance at Savannah Center, which is what the OP was fretting about.

Those kids are attending schools that do not have mask mandates and the little ones are not vaccinated. I see a huge problem with this.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Dlbonivich

If they social distance people the shows have to cancel. You can not make money on empty seats. If it bothers you do not go.

Broadway theaters are requiring either vaccination proof of a negative PCR test to enter the theater. Masks are also mandated. That is the safest way to go although, personally, I would prefer to ditch the masks for vaccinated people. There is so little risk of a vaccinated person to be contagious to others.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Villagevip

What, some 80% of villagers were deceived into partaking in the eugenics, N.W.O. JAB...Wondering, how many, after being informed of the massive toxicity of the jab, are now panicking? ,

No panicking here.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Those kids are attending schools that do not have mask mandates and the little ones are not vaccinated. I see a huge problem with this.

I agree. Kids under 12 cannot get vaccinated (yet), and once a few kids are not wearing a mask, a lot of others will take theirs off if they can get away with it. Much better just to require they all wear one. And it is a lot easier to tell kids what to do than adults. I'm also not a fan of individual parents deciding whether their kid should wear a mask, or even individual school board. This should be a statewide or even national decision, so as to discourage all the "Dr. Googles" from doing their own (often stupid) thing.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bob.Betty

I respectfully disagree, Masks will not end the virus

Who has said masks will end the virus? We all know that didn’t happen and never will because of non compliance. Vaccinations are the way to go.

[Jean G]

We were there last night and saw absolutely no issue with us being comfortable. I guess it’s a matter of personal perspective. We knew we were getting into before we got our tickets..

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Penglobal

Agree. I remember having this same silly argument back in the early 1970's when car seat belts became universally mandated and the norm. Many argued that wearing seat belts was a personal choice and some had the constitutional right not to wear a seat belt. Some also argued that they had the right to have their face go threw the windshield during a car crash if they choose.

You do know small percentage that don’t and never worn seat belts. Usually space challenged.

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by Neils

Enjoy your opinion. Not everyone else shares it
Wear your mask if you want to.

Still a (barely) free country.

What is a "free country?" What isn't a "free country?" Whether a country is "free" or not has - or should have - no connection to public health or safety measures. Free is about freedom of expression, religion, and political choices.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Agree, masks will not end the virus

The usual paper mask is essentially useless except for preventing one infected person from spreading COVID to many unvaccinated people, indoors when not socially distanced

For personal protection you would need a properly fitted N-95 mask or better; a NASA certified space suit or a level 4 lab biocontainment suit would be better

I completely agree with this post. Masks are not encouraged to be worn to protect the wearer, they are encouraged to prevent spread to others should you be infectious. But understanding that masks, as GE wrote, ARE EFFECTIVE for preventing one infectious person from spreading COVID to many "unvaccinated" people indoors when not socially distanced.. It behooves him and us to consider whether Delta changes the equation.

The data is strongly suggesting that Delta can infect vaccinated people at a much higher rate than previous variations of Covid. Further that while those vaccinated are still extremely well protected against becoming seriously ill, they shed virus at a rate very similar to unvaccinated infectious people.

I think the correct statement with Delta Covid should be that

The usual paper mask is useful for preventing one infected person from spreading COVID to many people, indoors when not socially distanced

That being the case and with Delta being so highly contagious it would be reasonable to require masking. Everyone seeing the data on the prevalence of Delta in Florida, and elsewhere, can see that it is likely some or several persons in the Savannah that night were contagious. It would have been helpful to containment of Delta had they been masked. Masking reduces spread as GE wrote.

All of us expect that workers in a restaurant will wash their hands after defecating. We consider that a public health issue, we have regulations requiring it, and health inspectors looking for compliance regularly. That is done to prevent spread of diseases that are extremely infrequent and of low severity. All the excitement about Hepatitis A and how critical it is to have rules to prevent transmission to the innocent members of the public is reasonable.

But Hepatitis A is a trivial disease compared with Covid both in terms of loss of life and infectious spread. Do all of you who find wearing a mask to protect others such an imposition also support not requiring your server to wash after defecating? After all if you are so afraid of Hepatitis maybe you should just stay home. Maybe we should all be having Hepatitis parties where we all wipe our butts, stick our unwashed fingers in the M&M bowl, and share our viruses to build "natural immunity" which is after all so much better than vaccine immunity or prevention. /s

Maybe we need to take down those signs reminding people to wash their hands. Maybe we should have a statewide ban on enforcing handwashing, make it voluntary. Those who want to wash can, those who don't want to can express their freedom to not wash. Maybe we should only require post-poop handwashing for those unvaccinated against Hep A or lacking natural immunity.

Or instead we can say it doesn't matter if you had your Hep A shots, it doesn't matter if your blood works shows you had Hep A as a child, it doesn't matter if you think you're healthy and not a risk to others.. If you want to work in a restaurant, wash your damn hands to protect the public.

And I'm glad we have those rules. You are too. I've had Hep A vaccine. I'm protected, unless the effect has worn off. But even with my protection, having done all I can to make myself safe while eating out, I still expect that the worker who handles my food is doing what they can to not put Hepatitis on my plate. Reasonable public health and safety rules that people on both sides of the political divide can support. Nobody is screaming "handwash Nazi" about issues to mitigate Hepatitis.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

I completely agree with this post. Masks are not encouraged to be worn to protect the wearer, they are encouraged to prevent spread to others should you be infectious. But understanding that masks, as GE wrote, ARE EFFECTIVE for preventing one infectious person from spreading COVID to many "unvaccinated" people indoors when not socially distanced.. It behooves him and us to consider whether Delta changes the equation.

The data is strongly suggesting that Delta can infect vaccinated people at a much higher rate than previous variations of Covid. Further that while those vaccinated are still extremely well protected against becoming seriously ill, they shed virus at a rate very similar to unvaccinated infectious people.

I think the correct statement with Delta Covid should be that

The usual paper mask is useful for preventing one infected person from spreading COVID to many people, indoors when not socially distanced

That being the case and with Delta being so highly contagious it would be reasonable to require masking. Everyone seeing the data on the prevalence of Delta in Florida, and elsewhere, can see that it is likely some or several persons in the Savannah that night were contagious. It would have been helpful to containment of Delta had they been masked. Masking reduces spread as GE wrote.

All of us expect that workers in a restaurant will wash their hands after defecating. We consider that a public health issue, we have regulations requiring it, and health inspectors looking for compliance regularly. That is done to prevent spread of diseases that are extremely infrequent and of low severity. All the excitement about Hepatitis A and how critical it is to have rules to prevent transmission to the innocent members of the public is reasonable.

But Hepatitis A is a trivial disease compared with Covid both in terms of loss of life and infectious spread. Do all of you who find wearing a mask to protect others such an imposition also support not requiring your server to wash after defecating? After all if you are so afraid of Hepatitis maybe you should just stay home. Maybe we should all be having Hepatitis parties where we all wipe our butts, stick our unwashed fingers in the M&M bowl, and share our viruses to build "natural immunity" which is after all so much better than vaccine immunity or prevention. /s

Maybe we need to take down those signs reminding people to wash their hands. Maybe we should have a statewide ban on enforcing handwashing, make it voluntary. Those who want to wash can, those who don't want to can express their freedom to not wash. Maybe we should only require post-poop handwashing for those unvaccinated against Hep A or lacking natural immunity.

Or instead we can say it doesn't matter if you had your Hep A shots, it doesn't matter if your blood works shows you had Hep A as a child, it doesn't matter if you think you're healthy and not a risk to others.. If you want to work in a restaurant, wash your damn hands to protect the public.

And I'm glad we have those rules. You are too. I've had Hep A vaccine. I'm protected, unless the effect has worn off. But even with my protection, having done all I can to make myself safe while eating out, I still expect that the worker who handles my food is doing what they can to not put Hepatitis on my plate. Reasonable public health and safety rules that people on both sides of the political divide can support. Nobody is screaming "handwash Nazi" about issues to mitigate Hepatitis.

Beautifully said. I agree with every single word and meaning and I respect the training and the innate intelligence of the poster.

I am not a person trained in medicine. Not every person trained in medicine are as well trained as the Blue Ash and Golfing Eagles. We are VERY fortunate to have both of them and their medical advice on this Forum.

The bug and the new bug doesn't give a **** whether we live or die or how we vote.

Get vaccinated.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by blueash

I completely agree with this post. Masks are not encouraged to be worn to protect the wearer, they are encouraged to prevent spread to others should you be infectious. But understanding that masks, as GE wrote, ARE EFFECTIVE for preventing one infectious person from spreading COVID to many "unvaccinated" people indoors when not socially distanced.. It behooves him and us to consider whether Delta changes the equation.

// remainder of a very good post removed to save space //

I would agree if vaccines were not widely available but since they are available and have been proven safe and effective, I disagree with being held hostage by the irresponsible. Are we to wear masks forever while one excuse after another is used to avoid being vaccinated?

The last statistics I saw showed that well over 90% of hospitalizations and deaths were unvaccinated individuals. The current surge and current crisis would have been avoided if 100M or so Americans had done the responsible thing and gone for their vaccination. I disagree with mandates and "vaccine passports" but something needs to be done. We can't go on making demands of those who have acted responsibly to solve a problem caused by those who have acted irresponsibly.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Agree, masks will not end the virus

The usual paper mask is essentially useless except for preventing one infected person from spreading COVID to many unvaccinated people, indoors when not socially distanced

For personal protection you would need a properly fitted N-95 mask or better; a NASA certified space suit or a level 4 lab biocontainment suit would be better

Well, that is a start and actually is the basis for Universal Masking. Your mask protects me and my mask protects you. THIS is why all unvaccinated children should be masked. Each child protects the other. All it takes is for one child whose parents are anti-mask and that child is an asymptomatic contagious virus spreader......all those kids who are wearing masks are NOT protected.