LOL I live in PA and TV. In PA we have weekenders who come from NY and NJ. Full-timers dislike them. Then I go to FL and I'm a Snowbird and full-timers don't like me !!! Don't be too upset that full-timers don't like you too much! Everyone in every part of the country would like a full time neighbor for many reasons. There are grumpy people where ever you go. Don't let them get to you and enjoy the good people. There are many in TV !

I can understand disliking people who rent their homes out because renters use everything and cause all owners to pay higher bills for maintenance. The people who own rental property make money and the non-rental property owners foot the bill. On the other hand the real snowbirds who own property pay the full bill and only use the facilities part time. Disliking seasonal owners makes absolutely no sense to me either.

I think that is an over exaggeration. I have wonderful neighbors that happen to be snowbirds. The joke is that in autumn the license plates turn colors instead of the leaves. In general, snowbird season means an increase in traffic and difficulty finding parking spaces at the squares. Also, restaurants become more crowded. If that makes people despise snowbirds that’s pretty sad.

I don’t think snowbirds are despised. Our neighborhood loves our snowbirds;however, snow birds can make us grumpy when we can’t get our favorite tee time, have to arrive an hour early to get into classes, can’t get in our favorite restaurant without long waits, etc. Its not personal. Btw many snowbirds do not take good care of their property. I am thankful that most do.

I’m sorry to disappoint but I can “afford” two homes but choose to live in one place. Nice try.

Snowbirds are terrific--Help keep this place financially sound. So glad they can enjoy "The Villages".

Most of the snowbirds I’ve met at various clubs are great people. They are kind and respectful. The only thing that is negative is that there are so many and facilities and roads become so overcrowded.

Not despised at all by us. We miss our seasonal neighbors.

We don’t despise snowbirds. We miss our neighbors, but do like less crowds. Looking forward to seeing them again & catching up.

I know one retired doctor who keeps looking for a Canadian about something about a World Series and a lobster dinner bet on it.

One of my favorite Talk of the Villagers husband worked up in PA as a helicopter pilot for charters. At least, that was what I thought. He could have been in some other kind of work with helicopters. She came down for much of the year. He was here on-and-off. She also lived down the block from me.

Although we are newer to TV we have lived in a Florida resort town (Key West) for over 30 years. "Snowbirds" pay amenity fees year round while only using the amenities part time. Can't very well complain about that. We like to frequent restaurants off season since they are quiet and the staff is able to be more attentive. I also like that we can support them during their slower times.

Yeah..... something nice said about snowbirds.
I think it's kind of silly that people would have any destain for any of their neighbors. We do pay the same in all fees, probably more bc we are not there to fix those little things that most handy men fix on their own place.
We currently have 2 or 3 little things going on at our place that really need addressing....can't ask a renter or neighbor to fix, yet can't/shouldn't wait til fall.....ie: sprinkler head, flickering light, intermittent running dishwasher. If we were there we know how to tackle...hence, a quick flight next week.

But we are all lucky to be able to have this place to enjoy.

Lack of facility care
 

This does not apply to all seasonal residents, I appreciate so many.
However there is a general lack of care during season. There is an increase in the cigarette butts on the golf courses. The sand traps are not raked. There is garbage along side the road.
There is horns honking for pauses at the red lights, or in the round abouts.
There is a general rush and general disregard with some individuals seeming to feel entitled.
This is some of the reasons there is resentment.
I personally am happy you are paying amenities fees all year round, which helps to lower mine.

That's not "human nature", that's called RACISM.

As with all social media topics including how to fry bologna.

I would love to see all the snowbirds stay for a whole year. Just think instead of everyone here 3 to 6 months a year, everyone FULL time.

What a happy place TV would be, everyone in their home taking care of lawns, driving the roundabouts, taking up golf tee times, restaurant reservations, run over gates, throwing out cigarettes from their cart (I have 3 neighbors that toss theirs on my lawn everyday, not a bird). Then one can enjoy all the aspects that only happen few months a year.

Would the conversation be any different? :popcorn: would one be less happy if everyone was here 12 months, or happier.

I need to go uncover my lanai furniture and enjoy the day

Many snowbirds lately are coming from parts of the country where they are always ****ed off and they bring that with them. Many are non-conformists and want the rules to be like where they came from. My suggestion woyld be, if you don't like it here and don't want to conform to our policies, go back where you came from. PERIOD

As with everything......................there is a minor, minor, minor group of people who are not happy in life and love to complain.

We are not divided..............just noisy individuals.

In my neighborhood we love our snowbirds and can’t wait till they come back!

"Maybe" means possibly... Not you specifically...

And if that's not the reason, what is?

puzzled
 

I am puzzled. We have a number of winter people and they are as accepted as the year- rounders are unless they are unacceptable by behavior as some year-rounders are. In fact, we look forward to their return each Nov, Dec, or Jan and are sad to see them leave each April, May or June.

Well, yeah...but aren't the snowbirds harder to scrape off your windshield?

Been here 20 years. Lots, not all snowbirds do nothing but party, party, party when they're here with little to no regard for others be they other snowbirds or full timers, this gives them a bad reputation. Some are also pushy and aggressive wanting what they want "right now", because they are "on vacation".

It's all in one's viewpoint
 

Wouldn't you think that a place as built up as The villages would have a lot of people and traffic? So, why would anyone buy in here who isn't prepared to deal with hard-to-get tee times, wait times at restaurants, traffic on the main roads? As for me, I have never been unable to get a tee time on one course or another...NEVER. I have always been seated within a reasonable time at any restaurant I've chosen...ALWAYS. I might not choose the restaurant with a line wrapped around the building. I have always been able to get from one place to another within the time I ALLOW for doing so. As far as traffic goes...why would I be in a hurry...I have left business meetings behind. I am retired.

The very same things occur off season.

More people means more of the same...

That's just New Yorkers... (ducks for cover)

I keeed, I keeed!

People that complain about congestion from snowbirds would you rather they were full timers so you could complain about congestion all year. I come from a congested crowded area with lots of traffic.The so called congestion at TV is a piece of cake. Snowbirds pay full time taxes and fees which is a benefit to permanent residents.

Yeah, that's a no from me, Dog...

"Different" does not have to have anything to do with "race"...

Please explain...

Some of my best friends are people...

I really did not have a problem with snow birds until I found one golf cart, owned by a snow bird parked 6 inches from my front bumper and a second golf cart, owned by a snow bird parked 6 inchs from my rear bumper in front of Two Jays. Then, I had a problem.

Love snowbirds. My
Snowbird neighbors are great. Always look forward to their return.

What about all of the FROGS who don't want to "conform" and are "****ed off"?

How did you know they were owned by snowbirds?

Winter Floridians
 

Becca, I share your concern and even offered a suggestion in the Daily Sun a couple of years ago. What if TV management and business owners modeled a welcoming attitude as is displayed in the southern valley of Texas with banners "Welcome Winter Texans". Our parents looked forward to returning to Texas each year to renew acquaintances and experience the gratitude of the community.

What if the Daily Sun, business owners on the town squares, and recreational centers displayed "Welcome Floridians" banners as an opportunity to celebrate a reunion of all our residents? The TV community has a well deserved history of displaying celebrations for multiple occasions throughout the year.

and you sound so happy.

Don’t hate anyone. Snowbirds are great. So are us full-timers. I think we just have some grumpy people who need something to complain about

Great question, right up there with "When did you quit beating your wife".

Seriously, the closest thing I've seen to anybody despising snowbirds is this stupid thread. Like most of these complainer threads, it bears absolutely no relationship to the reality of living in the Villages. In fact, most of the full timers I've met since we moved here seem to have previously spent years as snowbirds before going full-monty.

Hey, I have a great question!

What do Villagers get out of stirring up their neighbors on Talk of the Villages?

not despised
 

I wouldn't say despised. Fact is, snowbirds do very much to contribute to a healthy economy all over Florida, including TV, and many of my friends and family are snowbirds and I love to see them again when it's "in season" time and they are back in Florida.

On the flip side, here are a few reasons some might groan over snowbirds:

1. Definitely more crowded "in season" -- can't get a table in a restaurant when you want -- definitely can't just be an in-the-moment walk-in, the tee time you wanted is harder to come by, stand in line for a lot of things "in season" that you don't have to stand in line for when the snowbirds are back north.

2. Sometimes it's the few who spoil it for the many. Every season I always run into at least one snow bird who decides to "show off" their entitled side . . . "WE don't do it like that in NY" . . . "step aside I'm coming through" . . . "it's my first day back and I'm going to run you over in Publix buying up EVERYTHING I can get my hands on even if it means shoving past you to grab that last loaf of multi-grain on the bakery shelf" . . . "I'm cutting you off in the round-about because I am in a hurry (license plate: Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, etc. . . )" . . . receive the one-finger salute for going to slow at 20 mph as I'm cut you off in my golf cart because they have GOT to get that seat in the square . . . you get the picture. DEFINITELY not everyone . . . but does happen with greater frequency "in season" . . .

3. Have a visiting guest who can't join me in my weekly yoga/aerobics/water exercise class because it's full with seasonal residents . . . sigh

4. Having my backside rammed with a cart in Fresh Market because it's busier ahead of Christmas . . . when if I tried to move myself I'd have to ram the person in front of me because it's just that busy . . . and then when I look back to see who rammed me . . . I get glared out. Hmmm.

Mainly, it's just more crowded and that makes people grouchier. Plus there are a preponderance of "old, angries" in TV . . . and they are perpetually cranky.

Snowbirds are not despised . . . but it does give those who are prone to complaining something to complain about.

:clap2: thank you! i think the anti-snowbird thing is blown way out of proportion by a handful of malcontents