[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Miles42

Pretty simple really the ones opposed are seat savers. End of story.

I can't help but wonder the same thing.

[Peggy D]

Originally Posted by Miles42

Pretty simple really the ones opposed are seat savers. End of story.

WRONG !

If the worthless monitors on the Square did something about it, as someone said, it would stop.

Again, don't announce seat saving is prohibited if you aren't going to enforce this rule. Simple.

[biker1]

There is no upside, and lots of downside, to asking the shirted Villages folks to confront people saving seats. I have seen them enforce safety issues such as having people move seats to keep aisles open. Bring your own chairs -end of story. Although I guess we could get to the point where people will whine about people saving "ground" ;-)

Originally Posted by Peggy D

WRONG !

If the worthless monitors on the Square did something about it, as someone said, it would stop.

Again, don't announce seat saving is prohibited if you aren't going to enforce this rule. Simple.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by biker1

There is no upside, and lots of downside, to asking the shirted Villages folks to confront people saving seats. I have seen them enforce safety issues such as having people move seats to keep aisles open. Bring your own chairs -end of story. Although I guess we could get to the point where people will whine about people saving "ground" ;-)

I think that you have hit the nail on the head--if people are made to bring their own chairs, they will simply bring them to the squares early instead of lining up the square's chairs.

Somebody needs to take the responsibility of enforcing the rule. Or abolish the rule and let everyone fend for themselves.

[Walt.]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

I also tire of this topic, but your logic is the logic that fails...

One is against the law. The other is not.

Actually, the logic does not fail.
The point was the EXCUSES people make for bad behavior.

Bad behavior is bad behavior... legal or not.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Walt.

Actually, the logic does not fail.

The point was the EXCUSES people make for bad behavior.

Bad behavior is bad behavior... legal or not.

Yes it does fail.

If you want your "logic" to hold up, compare two activities that are either legal or illegal, not one of each.

You're actually trying to convince us that legal bad behavior equals illegal bad behavior?? Good luck, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

[biker1]

The basic problem is a lot or people can't/won't bring their own chairs and it is unreasonable to expect the "shirted" people to confront seat savers. So, we are where we are and there is no reasonable expectation of change. For us, it is not really an issue. We always have our own chairs when we go to the squares. If we don't need them they go back in the golf cart. Pragmatically, there are only a few entertainers where this really matters.

Originally Posted by CFrance

I think that you have hit the nail on the head--if people are made to bring their own chairs, they will simply bring them to the squares early instead of lining up the square's chairs.

Somebody needs to take the responsibility of enforcing the rule. Or abolish the rule and let everyone fend for themselves.

[Cedwards38]

It's a shame, but we need privately employed "bouncers" in the squares.

[Stdole]

Please fellow Villagers.... we deserve better from our Security Staff... we all know they are being directed by Management to take no action..
just be there and hardly seen.... but lets be honest this staff should be directed to be pro-active (at least 50%) that would be 100% improvement!
This is good for us as residents and good for The Villages to violators within and out of our community.

I would make an educated guess these threads are read by Management... I will make a request at this time PLEASE! HELP us be safer, enjoy
our days and nights knowingly rules will be enforced. I know what I was told by my initial visit with Sales on purchasing properties here.

Violations are not only occurs daily at many locations within The Villages from recreation centers to squares to neighborhoods... Please do not
let the reputation of violation of our rules continue on a downward path.. (especially doing our tense times).. You must admit we are living on
our past history.. Management Please again serves us better.

Residents please take a few minutes out of your day to call Management Office and voice your concerns. When I attended the very good
Village Residents Academy several months ago.. I was told "we do not look for problems or violators here in The Villages, we will look into
complaints if they are brought to our attention" so follow their orders complain,bring things to their attention since these are the new
rules... That goes for your neighborhoods, the streets, the rec centers, the squares... lets keep The Villages what you moved here for..
Your peaceful final years!!! It is getting away from us as it stands now daily...

Thanks

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Likely, after two or three challenges to these seat savers, and, if necessary, subsequent arrests by police for assault against the authorized "ambassador", and subsequent trespass notification to the seat saver by the developer, the seat saving would all but disappear. I think you would be surprised how differently these bullies would respond to someone with authority (a simple "The Villages Staff" polo shirt)...and maybe some mace for backup (teehee).

Is that two or three challenges per Square? I'm not sure mace would be effective against CCW. I don't think most Residents want ugliness, violence and confrontation at the Squares over a few nights where seats are saved.

Originally Posted by biker1

Pragmatically, there are only a few entertainers where this really matters.

I agree. It's annoying, but I think it's primarily limited to popular groups like Rocky.

[Walt.]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Yes it does fail.

If you want your "logic" to hold up, compare two activities that are either legal or illegal, not one of each.

You're actually trying to convince us that legal bad behavior equals illegal bad behavior?? Good luck, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

Actually I'm not trying to convince you of anything of the sort.
If a guy steals your car it's bad behavior... talking on a cell phone during a movie is also bad behavior. Only one is illegal.
By your logic a cow and a giraffe can't both be animals. We won't even go into the platypus!

Now... listen up. A guy is watching "Quincy" on TV and a dragon jumps through his window. The dragon grabs him by the head, runs down the street, and goes into Publix. Dragon buys a six-pack, releases the guy's head, they get drunk and tell war stories.
Pay attention here. The subject is NOT "Quincy."

The point is that people keep making excuses for bad behavior and "reasons" why nothing can be done about it.

Mehh. I know you didn't mean anything by it. Just having a little fun...at your expense.
Say... what the heck does "Mehh" mean anyway?

[graciegirl]

It is bad behavior.

It is not illegal.

People want other people to confront a selfish person who has had a few drinks and tell them that they can't do what they are doing.

People want free entertainment, but adding personnel to stop people who are not breaking any laws is gonna cost some money, somewhere. And in the end there is no teeth to the rule.

It is a rule of conduct, not a rule of law. People who don't give a **** about other people are going to say "So What???". And there is NOTHING anyone can do to stop them from acting that way.

People who don't like to see selfish people intimidating nice people are going to stop going to the square so eventually only the selfish, uncaring bullies will be there sitting in the seats.

We haven't even gotten to the part where a BUNCH of people are ignoring the laws about stealing, and hitting people with their cars and leaving them lying there and forget about stop when the police say stop.

It ain't lookin' good folks.

[biker1]

Maybe. It depends on who owns the Squares. If the Developer owns the Squares then they can ask anyone to leave because of seat saving and if they refuse then it is trespassing and you call the police. I am not suggesting this will ever happen (it won't) but it is more than bad behavior if the Developer owns the Squares.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It is bad behavior.

It is not illegal.

People want other people to confront a selfish person who has had a few drinks and tell them that they can't do what they are doing.

People want free entertainment, but adding personnel to stop people who are not breaking any laws is gonna cost some money, somewhere. And in the end there is no teeth to the rule.

It is a rule of conduct, not a rule of law. People who don't give a **** about other people are going to say "So What???". And there is NOTHING anyone can do to stop them from acting that way.

People who don't like to see selfish people intimidating nice people are going to stop going to the square so eventually only the selfish, uncaring bullies will be there sitting in the seats.

We haven't even gotten to the part where a BUNCH of people are ignoring the laws about stealing, and hitting people with their cars and leaving them lying there and forget about stop when the police say stop.

It ain't lookin' good folks.

[skyking]

There are several forms of seat saving, but having someone at each each square making a sweep at 4pm to remove ropes, tapes, etc. would quickly stop the seat saving at 11am. They would stop wasting their time and get a life.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Stdole

Please fellow Villagers.... we deserve better from our Security Staff... we all know they are being directed by Management to take no action..
just be there and hardly seen.... but lets be honest this staff should be directed to be pro-active (at least 50%) that would be 100% improvement!
This is good for us as residents and good for The Villages to violators within and out of our community.

I would make an educated guess these threads are read by Management... I will make a request at this time PLEASE! HELP us be safer, enjoy
our days and nights knowingly rules will be enforced. I know what I was told by my initial visit with Sales on purchasing properties here.

Violations are not only occurs daily at many locations within The Villages from recreation centers to squares to neighborhoods... Please do not
let the reputation of violation of our rules continue on a downward path.. (especially doing our tense times).. You must admit we are living on
our past history.. Management Please again serves us better.

Residents please take a few minutes out of your day to call Management Office and voice your concerns. When I attended the very good
Village Residents Academy several months ago.. I was told "we do not look for problems or violators here in The Villages, we will look into
complaints if they are brought to our attention" so follow their orders complain,bring things to their attention since these are the new
rules... That goes for your neighborhoods, the streets, the rec centers, the squares... lets keep The Villages what you moved here for..
Your peaceful final years!!! It is getting away from us as it stands now daily...

Thanks

This post is proceeding from an incorrect premise.

There is NO security staff at the squares. There are people working for the entertainment business and the entertainment business (NO longer owned by the developer) is paid by the businesses around the square. The Villages Watch are NOT empowered to protect but to WATCH and report a problem to law enforcement.

So. Call the entertainment business. If they have to pay for security, than the money is going to come from somewhere and the quality of entertainment may be changed. NOTHING is FREE.

AND you can't arrest someone for seat saving. As for law enforcement removing people reported for saving seats....I don't know if that is a feasible plan or a wise one.