[buzzy]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

We have a winner. Must have really struck a nerve.

Where do you get those post counts?

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Yep. As I explained. Not sure why people have tear down posts from people being helpful. Addressed each one, plus a general comment to that effect, and a thank you to the OP. The 5 posts must have hit a nerve also.

To appear superior to others or to pad their post count.
I found this post very helpful. Just need someone to do the work for me!

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Where do you get those post counts?

Click on new form post, find thread then click on replies it will open a list of users and count number

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Do you understand the concept and use of a LAN? I have significantly more data going within my house than I do going over the WAN. So passing large video files from cameras to NATs within the LAN can greatly benefit from 2-1/2 times the speed. I think if people are going to be snarky, they should try to know what they are talking about.

Oh, but I do.

I suspect the person who's posted 5 or 6 times in this thread already, has some need to make it seem like he's an expert ... even when expertise isn't really needed.

Unless of course, he's actually contracted to NSA and is helping keep us safe, by monitoring China and Russia. In that case, thanks for your service.

[huge-pigeons]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Oh, but I do.

I suspect the person who's posted 5 or 6 times in this thread already, has some need to make it seem like he's an expert ... even when expertise isn't really needed.

Unless of course, he's actually contracted to NSA and is helping keep us safe, by monitoring China and Russia. In that case, thanks for your service.

I don’t think you do. Most people don’t know the difference between a lan/wan/dmz.
I’m posting this thread because for the years I have lived here, there have been many posts about people having issues with their networks. And yes, it does take expertise to setup a network, much more than xfinity or the geek squad to come in and place a router in 1 location and think you’re done. Far from it.
Most people don’t know how to tell what kind of networking speeds they are getting from room to room, or possibly no connection at all say to your lanai or garage or outside. Most people will hire the geek squad to setup their network and the geek squad has no clue what they are doing.
I’m trying to help people by adding to this thread by stating there are options to create a better network and your house might already have some of this hardware already in place. Cybersprings and others are doing the same thing.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

I don’t think you do. Most people don’t know the difference between a lan/wan/dmz.
I posted this thread because for the years I have lived here, there have been many posts about people having issues with their networks. And yes, it does take expertise to setup a network, much more than xfinity or the geek squad to come in and place a router in 1 location and think you’re done. Far from it.
Most people don’t know how to tell what kind of networking speeds they are getting from room to room, or possibly no connection at all say to your lanai or garage or outside. Again, most people will hire the geek squad to setup their network and the geek squad has no clue what they are doing.
I was trying to help people by stating there are options to create a better network and your house might already have some of this hardware already in place. Cybersprings was doing the same thing.

Interesting use of the word "I" when this is the first post by huge-pigeons in this thread. Gives the impression you might be posting under two user names.

[PoolBrews]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

And you would be wrong.

I wasn't saying the additional speed isn't cool, just trying to understand why you need that much speed. I spent a good portion of my life designing and implementing high speed networks for large corporations. Many times the backbone was set up at 10GBps, and my last project was at 100GBbps. But that was for a corporation with hundreds of IT folks on it and over a thousand servers communicating on it.

I don't know of any ISP's that offer more than 1GBps incoming, so trying to understand what having 2.5GBps wired offers that can't be handled with ease over 750MBps wireless. A mesh system, set up properly will provide coverage over the entire home and yard.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by PoolBrews

I wasn't saying the additional speed isn't cool, just trying to understand why you need that much speed. I spent a good portion of my life designing and implementing high speed networks for large corporations. Many times the backbone was set up at 10GBps, and my last project was at 100GBbps. But that was for a corporation with hundreds of IT folks on it and over a thousand servers communicating on it.

I don't know of any ISP's that offer more than 1GBps incoming, so trying to understand what having 2.5GBps wired offers that can't be handled with ease over 750MBps wireless. A mesh system, set up properly will provide coverage over the entire home and yard.

A backup of terrabytes of data from one computer to a Local NAS over the LAN takes much less time and and rarely fails over a very fast wired LAN as opposed to a wireless mesh network.

Also, replacing the phone jacks with Cat 6 jacks is substantially cheaper than a good wireless mesh router system.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Of course no one was speaking to me directly; if they were then they would use something other than a public forum. Since they *did* use the public forum they must have been speaking to any of the members who have an interest in the topic. I am a member, I have an interest, and so I asked a question.

Before I go and purchase the equipment to wire my house I would like to know why I might need it. It is far too easy to advertise/promote services and products on here that the average person just doesn't need. If I have a question about why I would need this then you can be sure many others on here have that same question. Before any of us go out and spend the money it makes sense to find out why it is necessary.

You shouldn't need to wander around my house to explain why I need more bandwidth. Two televisions streaming, multiple smart devices, only one camera, and two or three tablets/laptops using the internet simultaneously doesn't tax the 75Mbps WAN / Xfinity Wifi LAN setup I have. If more bandwidth is needed then it is for an application or a device or a pattern of usage beyond that. What is it that some of us might choose to utilize in the future that would require that extra bandwidth and additional equipment.

Multiple cameras streaming to the cloud might be an answer - some of us might do that. Multiple cameras streaming to an in-home NAS could also be an answer though I imagine fewer would have the NAS. Some gaming systems would be a hobby that some would have and could use the bandwidth.

Before I need to know what equipment to buy to get 1.2Gb bandwidth to my bedroom I need to know why that bandwidth is important to me.

Someone tried to offer a cheap and easy way to improve network speeds in our homes. Your question "Why would I need speeds above 20Mbps much less above 700Mbps?" did not convey a sincere question regarding why anyone would need speeds in excess of 20Mbs but rather discounting the persons information. And they merely shared what you could achieve with the cheap and easy solution, they did not in any way try to convince anyone that they needed that.

If you don't need more speed or reliability for your home network, then the article wasn't for you and you don't need to buy or do anything. His post was not a sales pitch, it was a public service post.

It took me a couple years before I paid any attention to the wire hooked up to the phone patch panel in the cabinet in my garage and realized it was cat 5e/6 which allowed me to do what the OP had suggested and I bet many people on here wouldn't even know that there was a simple upgrade solution much cheaper than an expensive mesh system available to them even if they saw the wiring(because that is not their thing).

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Oh, but I do.

I suspect the person who's posted 5 or 6 times in this thread already, has some need to make it seem like he's an expert ... even when expertise isn't really needed.

Unless of course, he's actually contracted to NSA and is helping keep us safe, by monitoring China and Russia. In that case, thanks for your service.

I am not a networking expert nor have I ever played one on TV. But I have set up some networks. Apparently it does take some expertise to understand a LAN or you would not have posted the following. That statement indicates you don't know the difference between a WAN and a LAN or you are trying to intentionally mislead people. The comment about contracting to NSA seems like a veiled attempt to provide your own credentials but may in fact indicate why you made the post below.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

That's like changing all the water pipes in your house to 4" pipe, but your connection to the water supply on the street is still 1". BFD.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

I am not a networking expert nor have I ever played one on TV. But I have set up some networks. Apparently it does take some expertise to understand a LAN or you would not have posted the following. That statement indicates you don't know the difference between a WAN and a LAN or you are trying to intentionally mislead people. The comment about contracting to NSA seems like a veiled attempt to provide your own credentials but may in fact indicate why you made the post below.

Actually, as someone who has played a networking expert on TV, that statement made quite a bit of sense.

Perhaps your confusion is related to the way you intend to make use of your network and bandwidth. (This is related to my question which you have discounted/ignored twice) If the intent is to do high volume downloads to multiple devices then the pipe to the street (the WAN) had better be larger than the sum of the pipes in the house (the LAN) or there will be problems. On the other hand, if the intent is to do high volume transfers within the home (LAN) but not out to the internet (WAN) then the pipe to the street doesn't need to be that large.

So the question remains: What things might a homeowner plan to do that would require the high bandwidth? The answer to that will drive how much pipe to the street is needed and how big the pipes in the house need to be.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Actually, as someone who has played a networking expert on TV, that statement made quite a bit of sense.

Perhaps your confusion is related to the way you intend to make use of your network and bandwidth. (This is related to my question which you have discounted/ignored twice) If you intent is to do high volume downloads to multiple devices then the pipe to the street (your WAN) had better be larger than the sum of the pipes in your house (your LAN) or you will have problems. On the other hand, if your intent is to do high volume transfers within your home (LAN) but not out to the internet (WAN) then the pipe to the street doesn't need to be that large.

So the question remains: What is it that you plan to do that requires the high bandwidth? The answer to that will drive how much pipe to the street you need and how big the pipes in your house need to be.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Do you understand the concept and use of a LAN? I have significantly more data going within my house than I do going over the WAN. So passing large video files from cameras to NATs within the LAN can greatly benefit from 2-1/2 times the speed. I think if people are going to be snarky, they should try to know what they are talking about.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

A backup of terrabytes of data from one computer to a Local NAS over the LAN takes much less time and and rarely fails over a very fast wired LAN as opposed to a wireless mesh network.

Also, replacing the phone jacks with Cat 6 jacks is substantially cheaper than a good wireless mesh router system.

Apparently it is you who are ignoring my posts. I answered your question before you even asked it and after. And I am not confused about anything. Everything is working wonderful for me with a very high speed LAN passing lots of data INTERNALLLy (LAN) and sufficiently for that which I am posting to the cloud. And that is because I had previously set up my LAN as described by the OP.

Maybe you could start over and say thanks to the OP for his helpful post and stop trying to win some sort of snarkiness battle.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Apparently it is you who are ignoring my posts. I answered your question before you even asked it and after. And I am not confused about anything. Everything is working wonderful for me with a very high speed LAN passing lots of data INTERNALLLy (LAN) and sufficiently for that which I am posting to the cloud. And that is because I had previously set up my LAN as described by the OP.

Maybe you could start over and say thanks to the OP for his helpful post and stop trying to win some sort of snarkiness battle.

I modified my post to make it clear I don't really care what you have in your home except as one example. The question is what might a homeowner plan to do that would require the high bandwidth? That's a good question for someone to ask before they spend money on upgrades. Your application is one answer - great. There may be other answers as well.

I tried to help you to understand why the particular statement from BrianL99 actually made sense. You're welcome. You seemed confused since you tried to use his statement to discredit him. I don't know him so maybe he doesn't know the difference between a LAN and a WAN but based on his analogy to water pipes he seems to have a pretty good grasp of things.

Are we in a snarkiness battle?

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I modified my post to make it clear I don't really care what you have in your home except as one example. The question is what might a homeowner plan to do that would require the high bandwidth? That's a good question for someone to ask before they spend money on upgrades. Your application is one answer - great. There may be other answers as well.

I tried to help you to understand why the particular statement from BrianL99 actually made sense. You're welcome. You seemed confused since you tried to use his statement to discredit him. I don't know him so maybe he doesn't know the difference between a LAN and a WAN but based on his analogy to water pipes he seems to have a pretty good grasp of things.

Are we in a snarkiness battle?

The water pipe example does make sense to explain how bandwidth works for LAN and WAN. And it also showed that he was only considering WAN and not considering that there are a myriad of uses of a LAN for local traffic (incomplete grasp of networks and their usage). And he ended his post with an expletive abbreviation emphasizing his point that was clearly wrong. It is a BFD for some people to have bandwidth on their LAN that exceeds their WAN bandwidth.

Maybe we should try this. Point out 1 single thing that the OP got wrong that warranted all the people trying to point out that it is pointless (and demonstrate that they either don't understand or don't have a complete grasp).

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

The water pipe example does make sense to explain how bandwidth works for LAN and WAN. And it also showed that he was only considering WAN and not considering that there are a myriad of uses of a LAN for local traffic (incomplete grasp of networks and their usage). And he ended his post with an expletive abbreviation emphasizing his point that was clearly wrong. It is a BFD for some people to have bandwidth on their LAN that exceeds their WAN bandwidth.

Maybe we should try this. Point out 1 single thing that the OP got wrong that warranted all the people trying to point out that it is pointless (and demonstrate that they either don't understand or don't have a complete grasp).

We seem to have a completely different view on these posts. There is a considerable amount of negativity but it seems to be coming from a single source and is not directed at the OP.

The OP posted a solution, great. I don't recall one reply that suggested the OP's solution was wrong. The way I read them, most of the responses said they already used that solution, said they had an alternate solution, or my post asked about examples of the problems that might need the solution.

Too many people are quick to purchase a solution (new roof, whole house water filter, reverse mortgage) just because it was presented. There should be nothing wrong with asking what problem the solution is intended to solve - more people ought to be doing that.

To the water pipe analogy: If that poster was shortsighted in not considering a LAN-only requirement then neglecting to consider a LAN/WAN requirement and criticizing that poster is just as shortsighted.