[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

I agree with this assessment. It applies to adjusting to driving in any new community during each season. As to how good a golf cart driver one becomes...I doubt it has anything whatsoever to do with home ownership other than perhaps driving responsibly as insurers know all too well. Probably the younger drivers who have driven a lot of accident free miles over the years after a year in TV will be the best. Eyesight (cataracts, macular degeneration, glaucoma...) physical strength and endurance, reaction time, the effect of medications (legal & illegal), an affliction such as Parkinson’s disease and possibly dementia all play a role. After a time even a home owning long time resident of TV ought to hang up his/her golf cart keys as well as the car keys.

When you have money invested in a community such as owning property, and an emotional attachment to an area such as it being your primary home, it is different than when you go visit an area on vacation.

Some people are responsible all of the time and in all situations and some....well...... What happens in The Villages, stays in the Villages. So they throw their beer can and pizza box out along the cart path that we take such pride in. Who is going to know who you are if you tailgate or are sloppy parking? There are far more young....and old drunks than people impaired by age who drive. Most people have enough character that they would not endanger their lives or others by driving with less than accurate perception.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

When you have money invested in a community such as owning property, and an emotional attachment to an area such as it being your primary home, it is different than when you go visit an area on vacation.



Some people are responsible all of the time and in all situations and some....well...... What happens in The Villages, stays in the Villages. So they throw their beer can and pizza box out along the cart path that we take such pride in. Who is going to know who you are if you tailgate or are sloppy parking? There are far more young....and old drunks than people impaired by age who drive. Most people have enough character that they would not endanger their lives or others by driving with less than accurate perception.

I always love Gracie’s well reasoned and logical responses. As with many things I find she gets better as I age.


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[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

When you have money invested in a community such as owning property, and an emotional attachment to an area such as it being your primary home, it is different than when you go visit an area on vacation.

Some people are responsible all of the time and in all situations and some....well...... What happens in The Villages, stays in the Villages. So they throw their beer can and pizza box out along the cart path that we take such pride in. Who is going to know who you are if you tailgate or are sloppy parking? There are far more young....and old drunks than people impaired by age who drive. Most people have enough character that they would not endanger their lives or others by driving with less than accurate perception.

You are so right. Friends of mine bought an expensive condo in a resort in Hawaii. After they moved in they discovered that only about 20% are full time owner occupied. The other 80% are rented out very short term. Bottom line: it is a nightmare. The pool, hot tub and everything else require extensive maintenance. The 3 br 3 ba units get sometimes packed by 6 or more occupants. It is party central and they want to sell and move. BTW their association fees are ‘only’ $1,200/mo! The fees cover their water so they in essence pay for the 6 to a unit vacationers’ taking three showers a day since they are on the beach.

No doubt about it, short term rentals are terrible for neighbors. I sympathize with Villagers dealing with carefree and careless vacationers. Nonetheless, I believe a skilled young careful driver is at the peak of his faculties whereas medicated up older drivers encumbered with physical and mental difficulties are dangerous.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

I would disagree with what I bolded above. In my experience, the worst cart and car drivers are impatient younger and most likely recent transplants from dog eat dog urban environments. The older folks seem to show more courtesy, obey stop signs, and are not in a hurry.

Older folks are old because they have successfully avoided traffic accidents and other forms of death.

If you read the online news, they usually report the ages of people involved in traffic accidents. There are plenty of them caused by younger drivers.

No question wild young crazy, careless and intoxicated or doped up drivers should not be on the road and cause senseless carnage.

Yet I know of many elderly drivers who should have hung up their keys but kept on driving until they killed or maimed someone. Check the statistics. The very young and the very old drivers cause most accidents. Those in the middle who drive responsibly - the group I am touting - are the safest and best drivers.

p.s. Goodlife: I noticed your Porsche avatar. Are you a Porsche affectionado? I have owned a few. My last one was a Cayenne S. Porsche got it up to 180 mph on their Leipzig track. They put a governor to limit those they sold to 165 mph but they put a sticker on the dashboard of the one I bought warning me the tires were only good for 150 mph. All the Porsche’s drivers I know love to drive very fast! As you must be well aware Porsches really smooth out and get in the groove at high speeds but beat you to death over every crack, bump and irregularity in the road at low speeds.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

No question wild young crazy, careless and intoxicated or doped up drivers should not be on the road and cause senseless carnage.

Yet I know of many elderly drivers who should have hung up their keys but kept on driving until they killed or maimed someone. Check the statistics. The very young and the very old drivers cause most accidents. Those in the middle who drive responsibly - the group I am touting - are the safest and best driver.

p.s. Goodlife: I noticed your Porsche avatar. Are you a Porsche affectionado? I have had a few. All the Porsche’s drivers I know love to drive very fast!

Actually, according to statistics, drivers over the age of 75 have one of the lowest percentages in accidents of all age groups, the largest percentage of ages involved in accidents are concentrated in age groups from 20 to 54 years old.

Age of Driver and Number in Accidents statistics - USA Census numbers

Yes have a Porsche Panamera S, lovely car but no I don't drive very fast, sometimes on the freeway a bit but not around here. I'd love to go 80 on parts of Buena Vista but that kind of ticket is very expensive! When I am here I rarely use it, my golf cart gets me almost everywhere I need to go.

[manaboutown]

Well, drivers over 75 probably drive very few miles in a year. So, 55 year olds, the young uns of TV, may very well be the safest drivers since they are physically and mentally the healthiest, statistically speaking.

My 79 year old cousin has a Panamera and loves it! Drives it to and from D.C. and Miami Beach. Great car!

Gotta admit it is fun to putt-putt around in a golf cart. Enjoy!

[GoodLife]

As you must be well aware Porsches really smooth out and get in the groove at high speeds but beat you to death over every crack, bump and irregularity in the road at low speeds.

The Panamera is like an extended wheelbase 911, it rides very nice especially when you have PASM option. I find the roads here in TV very smooth and good, especially up here in Marion County. The only time I feel bumps in the road are when I cross the railroad tracks going to 301.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

As you must be well aware Porsches really smooth out and get in the groove at high speeds but beat you to death over every crack, bump and irregularity in the road at low speeds.

The Panamera is like an extended wheelbase 911, it rides very nice especially when you have PASM option. I find the roads here in TV very smooth and good, especially up here in Marion County. The only time I feel bumps in the road are when I cross the railroad tracks going to 301.

[dirtbanker]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

When you have money invested in a community such as owning property, and an emotional attachment to an area such as it being your primary home, it is different than when you go visit an area on vacation.

Some people are responsible all of the time and in all situations and some....well...... What happens in The Villages, stays in the Villages. So they throw their beer can and pizza box out along the cart path that we take such pride in. Who is going to know who you are if you tailgate or are sloppy parking? There are far more young....and old drunks than people impaired by age who drive. Most people have enough character that they would not endanger their lives or others by driving with less than accurate perception.

Not all the young people here are drunks...just like all the old people here are not blind. But, I definately have had to dive into people's front yards to avoid being ran over by the old and blind (I am young enough to see they are short, wrinkled, grey or white haired, and terrified being behind the wheel).

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[GoodLife]

Well, drivers over 75 probably drive very few miles in a year. So, 55 year olds, the young uns of TV, may very well be the safest drivers since they are physically and mentally the healthiest, statistically speaking.

Yes statistically younger people are heathier, better vision etc, and miles per year driven has an effect. But the fact is, drivers over 75 are involved in a very small percentage of accidents which is dwarfed by the cohort aged 20 to 54. According to the link I posted 5-6% of accidents caused by over 75, 50-60% caused by 20 to 54. In fact the age group 55 to 64 is 8 to 11% of accidents vs 5-6% over 75.

[Allegiance]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Well, drivers over 75 probably drive very few miles in a year. So, 55 year olds, the young uns of TV, may very well be the safest drivers since they are physically and mentally the healthiest, statistically speaking.

Yes statistically younger people are heathier, better vision etc, and miles per year driven has an effect. But the fact is, drivers over 75 are involved in a very small percentage of accidents which is dwarfed by the cohort aged 20 to 54. According to the link I posted 5-6% of accidents caused by over 75, 50-60% caused by 20 to 54. In fact the age group 55 to 64 is 8 to 11% of accidents vs 5-6% over 75.

Bingo... give the man a prize. Look at the over 75 year olds you know. Most don't drive anymore but retain their licences. They must be perfect drivers.... zero accidents.

A lot of Fake News is put out by aarp et al

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Allegiance

Bingo... give the man a prize. Look at the over 75 year olds you know. Most don't drive anymore but retain their licences. They must be perfect drivers.... zero accidents.

A lot of Fake News is put out by aarp et al

The link provide was not AARP and numbers provided were from US Census Bureau and National Safety Council. If you have better data feel free to post it.

I live on a street with 20 homes. 7 are owned by couples in their mid 70s. They all have cars, driver's licenses, and actually use their cars more than I do.

Put up some data if you know better.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Allegiance

Bingo... give the man a prize. Look at the over 75 year olds you know. Most don't drive anymore but retain their licences. They must be perfect drivers.... zero accidents.

A lot of Fake News is put out by aarp et al

Really? I can easily give you a very long list of people over 75 who are safe drivers.

[Allegiance]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

The link provide was not AARP and numbers provided were from US Census Bureau and National Safety Council. If you have better data feel free to post it.

I live on a street with 20 homes. 7 are owned by couples in their mid 70s. They all have cars, driver's licenses, and actually use their cars more than I do.

Put up some data if you know better.

Did i say it was put out by the aarp... NO


And... I don't think your street in the Villages is a Good sample.

Good day.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Allegiance

Did i say it was put out by the aarp... NO


And... I don't think your street in the Villages is a Good sample.

Good day.

I completely disagree with you. I think perhaps you aren't aware of people's real age around here.