[Altavia]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Sadly, I no longer trust how clean people are...

I've had more than a few patients show up with live baby roaches in their shoes and clothing...

I't always a pleasure to shut town a treatment room for a deep cleaning in the middle of a busy day...

Yes, people should be at least as concerned about Improper human hygiene, food handling/spoilage/contaminaton, sanitation etc.

Causing gastroenteritis due to E. coli, Salmonella, Norovirus, Rotavirus, Campylobacter and so on.

[Bay Kid]

Just as dogs aren't allowed in our pools they shouldn't be allowed in restaurants. Health reasons should be enough of a reason.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

"Hot button issue"?

Yes it is... For all of the people who immediately start making up nonsensical scenarios that no one with an ounce of common sense thinks will actually happen...

YOU are making this about dogs IN restaurants. You're now expanding the topic to random stores and even the squares, and farmer's markets... So tell me, who's "hot button issue" is this?

Sorry you stepped in dog poop. I did it once, as well. But it was when I was 12... I quickly learned to watch where I was walking...

In case you missed it, I can be a bit of a contrarian... Especially when I see what I feel is nonsense posted on the forum.

Yes, this is a bit of a hot-button issue with me. Although I don't think it was that evident until I stated it. I choose not to have pets because I don't want to clean up behind them, and keep them from sniffing me etc. Yet, I have to clean up behind them in my yard, I have to clean their mess off my shoes in the square, etc. I never asked people to change my son's dirty diapers. And I don't expect to have to clean up behind other people's pets.

I am confused on which scenarios you think are nonsensical. Which ones are you saying are made up?

I absolutely did NOT make this about dogs inside restaurants! Read my posts again without the disdain that is making it impossible for you read with accuracy. I asked a simple question. Why do you think it is INappropriate for a dog to eat INside a restaurant? You made that statement. I am asking you why you believe that.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by wbilbrey99@gmail.com

For the life of me why would you need to take your dog to a restaurant.

It take too long to read him the menu over the phone.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Whitley

It take too long to read him the menu over the phone.

And that wins the prize for best post in the thread.
thanks!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Yes, this is a bit of a hot-button issue with me. Although I don't think it was that evident until I stated it. I choose not to have pets because I don't want to clean up behind them, and keep them from sniffing me etc. Yet, I have to clean up behind them in my yard, I have to clean their mess off my shoes in the square, etc. I never asked people to change my son's dirty diapers. And I don't expect to have to clean up behind other people's pets.

I am confused on which scenarios you think are nonsensical. Which ones are you saying are made up?

I absolutely did NOT make this about dogs inside restaurants! Read my posts again without the disdain that is making it impossible for you read with accuracy. I asked a simple question. Why do you think it is INappropriate for a dog to eat INside a restaurant? You made that statement. I am asking you why you believe that.

Because inside is inside and outside is outside...

And the scenarios I'm talking about are when people claim to have an allergic attack at the sight of a dog...

Sounds to me like you don't want to have to encounter dogs anywhere...

Sorry, that's not going to happen...

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Because inside is inside and outside is outside...

Wow! That level of analysis and logic must only come with a medical degree and must be why I can't understand.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And the scenarios I'm talking about are when people claim to have an allergic attack at the sight of a dog...

I have never seen or heard any situation of that occuring, but I also have never seen that happen with peanuts or diet sodas, but I have been on aircraft where a person with allergies (my seatmate but a stranger) was the reason they could not be served anywhere on the aircraft. She said she had to be taken off a previous flight unconscious because of that. So I can't speak to whether or not the allergy situation with animals is real or not, regardless of the fact that you have never encountered it or heard of it.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Sounds to me like you don't want to have to encounter dogs anywhere...

Sorry, that's not going to happen...

I think it does sound like that from what I have posted, but that wouldn't be accurate, and you are correct it would be unreasonable to expect that. However, I don't think they need to be in stores, at restaurants, or at the squares during the farmers market or entertainment. Everyone should not have to endure others' pets at all times.

Your assessment of where pets should be (inside is inside and outside is outside) is not the only opinion that matters. I am not saying that my opinion should have more weight than anyone else's, but my opinion does not require other's to endure my wims. Would you be ok if I brought in a speaker and played rap music (or some music you don't appreciate) beside you in a restaurant if that is what I liked to do during dinner? But I would only do it outside because inside is inside and outside is outside.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Wow! That level of analysis and logic must only come with a medical degree and must be why I can't understand.

Sorry you cannot comprehend the difference in air flow between being inside and being outside. I learned that long before I attended Med School...

I have never seen or heard any situation of that occuring, but I also have never seen that happen with peanuts or diet sodas, but I have been on aircraft where a person with allergies (my seatmate but a stranger) was the reason they could not be served anywhere on the aircraft. She said she had to be taken off a previous flight unconscious because of that. So I can't speak to whether or not the allergy situation with animals is real or not, regardless of the fact that you have never encountered it or heard of it.

Again, INSIDE and airplane is quite different than OUTSIDE, on a patio...

I think it does sound like that from what I have posted, but that wouldn't be accurate, and you are correct it would be unreasonable to expect that. However, I don't think they need to be in stores, at restaurants, or at the squares during the farmers market or entertainment. Everyone should not have to endure others' pets at all times.

You're perfectly free to think that, but real life expectations are quite different...

Your assessment of where pets should be (inside is inside and outside is outside) is not the only opinion that matters. I am not saying that my opinion should have more weight than anyone else's, but my opinion does not require other's to endure my wims. Would you be ok if I brought in a speaker and played rap music (or some music you don't appreciate) beside you in a restaurant if that is what I liked to do during dinner? But I would only do it outside because inside is inside and outside is outside.

And thank you for providing one of those "ridiculous scenarios" I mentioned earlier...

Apples and kumquats... If the rules of the restaurant allowed for you to play "rap music" beside other patrons, I would have two choices. Either I endure the music or I dine elsewhere. Easy peasy...

And yes your wims most certainly do cause me to endure things I wish not to endure...

As I mentioned earlier, If I'm out with my wife and dog, and we decide we're hungry, we seek out a "dog friendly establishment" to grab a bite. We are abiding by THEIR rules. We don't insist on taking our dog inside, nor do we have her sit on a chair or at the table. We follow THEIR rules. Sorry that is not good enough for you.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

As I mentioned earlier, If I'm out with my wife and dog, and we decide we're hungry, we seek out a "dog friendly establishment" to grab a bite. We are abiding by THEIR rules. We don't insist on taking our dog inside, nor do we have her sit on a chair or at the table. We follow THEIR rules. Sorry that is not good enough for you.

I agree 100% with this part. When I see the pets eating there in the future, I will make sure to go elsewhere and let the management know why. Hopefully I and others who would not like to dine with pets can influence their rules. If not, we will just our business elsewhere. You are correct. Easy peasy.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Sorry you cannot comprehend the difference in air flow between being inside and being outside. I learned that long before I attended Med School...

Sorry you never learned the ability to communicate clearly. Are you implying that the ONLY difference between inside and outside is airflow and that if asked the difference between inside and outside a restaurant, the majority of people would specify airflow as the only or even main difference?

Speaking of easy peasy, "why do you think it is inappropriate for dogs to eat inside restaurants? answer "airflow is different." See how simple that is to communicate?

[Byte1]

Ok, the question was NOT whether or not dogs were allowed INSIDE or OUTSIDE a restaurant, but whether or not there were restaurants that allowed dogs. Some folks have said they do not believe that dogs belong inside the restaurant and there is one that insisted that the OP did not suggest "inside" the restaurant. What I read was just simply if there are restaurants that allow dogs, not differentiating whether inside or outside.
Another poster said that there are restaurants that serve dogs. Another said that there are countries that have dog on the menu. I have been to countries that prepare a dog meat meal and I have consumed dog meat. In case anyone is curious, dog meat tasted much like pork to me, although with less fat. Just saying.
I stipulated earlier that I love animals, especially dogs but no longer own one. I don't wish to leave a pet behind unless I know someone would take care of/love it as I would. However, my "opinion" is that animals should not be allowed in food establishments, period. Outside is a different matter. I have no problem with folks having their pets dine with them OUTSIDE. After all, birds, bugs and lizards frequent dining tables outside, so a dog under the table can't possibly be any worse.
I would hate to see a pet locked up in a car while the owner is enjoying a meal inside an AC cooled restaurant. But, I believe that mos folks that own a pet, would or should think about the pet and treat it responsibly. That said, there are exceptions to folks with common sense.
After dining out in many countries, I have learned to cope/endure/enjoy eating in unusual places. I have seen all manner of unusual environments inside and outside of food establishments. I am at an age where I am past getting excited over other folks eccentricities. Thanks to COVID, there are plenty of masks available for those that are still germaphobes.
The OP did not ask for my preferences. The OP asked if there were restaurants that allowed their dog to be present while they dine. At least that is what I surmised from the simple/brief post. The OP did not ask whether or not you allowed dogs to poop on your lawn, ride in a hot car, or sleep on your bed. They simply wanted to know if there were pet friendly restaurants available in the area of America's Friendliest Hometown.

[LuvNH]

If the OP has been following this long, long thread, then they have probably decided to look elsewhere in Florida. I certainly would have, although the OP may have put this nonsense down to heat stroke!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Ok, the question was NOT whether or not dogs were allowed INSIDE or OUTSIDE a restaurant, but whether or not there were restaurants that allowed dogs. Some folks have said they do not believe that dogs belong inside the restaurant and there is one that insisted that the OP did not suggest "inside" the restaurant. What I read was just simply if there are restaurants that allow dogs, not differentiating whether inside or outside.
Another poster said that there are restaurants that serve dogs. Another said that there are countries that have dog on the menu. I have been to countries that prepare a dog meat meal and I have consumed dog meat. In case anyone is curious, dog meat tasted much like pork to me, although with less fat. Just saying.
I stipulated earlier that I love animals, especially dogs but no longer own one. I don't wish to leave a pet behind unless I know someone would take care of/love it as I would. However, my "opinion" is that animals should not be allowed in food establishments, period. Outside is a different matter. I have no problem with folks having their pets dine with them OUTSIDE. After all, birds, bugs and lizards frequent dining tables outside, so a dog under the table can't possibly be any worse.
I would hate to see a pet locked up in a car while the owner is enjoying a meal inside an AC cooled restaurant. But, I believe that mos folks that own a pet, would or should think about the pet and treat it responsibly. That said, there are exceptions to folks with common sense.
After dining out in many countries, I have learned to cope/endure/enjoy eating in unusual places. I have seen all manner of unusual environments inside and outside of food establishments. I am at an age where I am past getting excited over other folks eccentricities. Thanks to COVID, there are plenty of masks available for those that are still germaphobes.
The OP did not ask for my preferences. The OP asked if there were restaurants that allowed their dog to be present while they dine. At least that is what I surmised from the simple/brief post. The OP did not ask whether or not you allowed dogs to poop on your lawn, ride in a hot car, or sleep on your bed. They simply wanted to know if there were pet friendly restaurants available in the area of America's Friendliest Hometown.

I couldn't have said it any better... A simple explanation of the difference between "Inside" and "outside"...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by LuvNH

If the OP has been following this long, long thread, then they have probably decided to look elsewhere in Florida. I certainly would have, although the OP may have put this nonsense down to heat stroke!

Nah... They just learned that people are the same wherever they live...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Sorry you never learned the ability to communicate clearly. Are you implying that the ONLY difference between inside and outside is airflow and that if asked the difference between inside and outside a restaurant, the majority of people would specify airflow as the only or even main difference?

Speaking of easy peasy, "why do you think it is inappropriate for dogs to eat inside restaurants? answer "airflow is different." See how simple that is to communicate?

See Byte1's response above...