For this reason in particular, and maybe a few others, healthcare insurance did indeed need reform. I do not want my previous post to reflect that I did not see problems with our former system. However, the MAJOR overhaul that was done was unnecessary and probably hurt more people than it helped.

I also agree with chachacha's statement - " but humanity has been cared for by churches and charity for generations" - because this is true compassion, people helping people, not government "helping" people. I have seen this at work firsthand - not only does this supply people with their basic needs but gives them a "hand-up" so to speak to help themselves. We do no one any good by continuing to give "hand-outs" without also giving the tools to build themselves up. IMO, people are better at doing this than an impersonal government.

For the money being spent on the program they could have paid all the bills for the uninsured many times over. Just more Govt waste. Not political just fact.

Every year for last ten years my retiree medical insurance escalated to the point it had doubled and then some. The company does not participate as far as deferring any cost; you pay from dollar one. As expensive as it got there was no choice because of a pre-existing condition. I recently went on Medicare which was a huge savings, but my wife needed to stay on the retiree policy. Beginning in 2014 the ACA did away with the pre-existing condition clause, and even though she did not qualify for any subsidies we were now able to shop around. Bottom line is that we were able to save $300.00 per month going from Cigna to Blue Cross. Same doctors, same co-pay, and less of a deductible.

FWIW - A law to accomplish healthcare, was first proposed back, (60 plus years ago), when Harry Truman was the president. I'm sure there are many situations, that need refining, to get ACA, to work perfect. IMHO

Whew! - I'm glad I got this in, before this thread is closed. Hint. :D

A great example of where ACA has indeed been beneficial. And I, like many others have no problem with any actions that result in those NEEDING it like pr existing conditions, uninsureable for what ever reason or can't afford it, etc.

What is objectionable was and is the changing of what was working, yes with problem areas-but working just fine. To address those in need the current ACA has upset programs many of us were completely happy to have.

This upsetting of the entire health care industry, as I have stated in prior posts, will only result in lessor and much more expensive care. And many of us who will elect to attempt to keep the same level and quality of care will continue to pay more to see to it we get what we have had all our lives.

Enjoy the health care you have now as it is the best and lowest cost you will have for the rest of your life.

Didn't we break away from Great Britain because of too many and too high taxes? How about we form the "Country" of Florida - Just a thought Right now i am personally not effected by ACA so I really can't judge, but it doesn't seem fair just because one can afford insurance they should be penalized. My son's insurance went way up for each member of his family, he's a hard worker but has 5 kids and his wife to pay for now, plus whoever else can't pay for their own. Not fair.

And I agree, that it needs to be refined, but appealed,,,,,,,NONSENSE!!!!!!

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In the first place.....

Who buys their other important insurance policies without a state-licensed and state-regulated agent to advise them on which particular policy gives them the coverages they need, at the most affordable cost?

I've never (and WOULD never) bought our homeowners', auto, flood, life, golf cart, RV, nor any other insurance policy of that importance without an agent who is monitored for the legality of his practices by the state insurance commission.

I don't think any of us has ever gone online to buy insurance with the help of unlicensed, unregulated, recently employed "navigators" on whom criminal background checking was not done.

Going to a website that is usually fouled up, and that had no method of premium payment included for at least the first two months, is senseless.

It's not the concept or goal that is bad. It is the method.

Now that it is law...... Now that it is effect for 6 million Americans...... Now that appeal would be horrible......

Let's put our heads together and make it work for everyone without kicking these 6 million Americans to the curb.

PLEASE.......

Website updated back page form states as long as you enroll through the Obomacare website, you can't be cancelled for one year by insurance companies due to non payment reasons related to hardship clause based on honor system. It's renewable every year at enrollment. Basically it says you are a victim of hardship if your are breathing. Is this what they mean when they say the bill has to pass to see what's in it? Only suckers will be sending in payments for health care.....

If a post offends someone, they should, in line with forum policy complain to the moderator by using the red triangle instead of using a broad paint brush on all posters. That's what the red triangle on each post is there for.

It's quite convenient to project one's beliefs and present a limited point of view by using a poll that's a couple of years old. Let's present more current polls or data that project the whole picture both long term and current regardless of whichever view they wind up projecting or supporting and not a view that's used to promote a personal point of view . You'll find the kind of polls I'm speaking of in the two following sites giving polling data:

Health Tracking Poll: Exploring the Public’s Views on the Affordable Care Act (ACA) | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

As for myself, I would pay a penalty before I would signup for a plan that in my opinion:

1. ...gave designers a need to conceal details from lawmakers and the public in general in order to get acceptance by voters.
2. ...resorted to a mandate, a tactic normally considered to be extortion, in order to attempt making enrollment a success.
3. ...continued to conceal negative elements to those signing up until after they signed up. i.e my son was fit to be tied to find out that the deductible on the policy he got from CA's ACA setup (Covered CA) was concealed from him beforehand. It was $4000, an outrageous amount for anybody let alone people that were supposed to allegedly be helped because they couldn't afford to get insurance in the first place. I also have reason to believe that there are even higher deductibles, but didn't see actual figures to say how much higher.

Again, the poll I was speaking of was the 2012 election where the choice between repealing the ACA and keeping it could not have been clearer, and the voters spoke loud and clear that they did not want it repealed.

I am going to be careful with my comments on this issue, as avoiding politics when discussing this healthcare law is very difficult as it IS a political program put into law via a political process.

Any law of this scope, that has only the support of one single party AND requires two other things to have it passed. One, the pay off of certain states with pork (See LA as one clear example) and secondly has to suspend and change the traditional vote counting in the senate to have it passed is suspect to begin with.

Secondly, any law of this scope that began with maneuvers that can be described with other words, but will leave it at maneuvers, that mislead not only the public but the congress of the USA. I am speaking of the untruth told to the american public about public hearings. They did not happen, and IN FACT clearly 90% of all discussions were held in secret. The promise to incorporate other proposals already in play (yes, there were a few...maybe 20 or so....other healthcare proposals that had been put forward) and then not only to ignore those proposals but to ignore those who put them forward

This kind of law with a shadowy, secretive birth had failure written all over it.

While much of the bill is great and that is ALL the designers of the bill speak of, it is going to cost this country so much money we simply cannot afford it. REMEMBER....the bill, since it is been pushed out and out, will not really come due for a few years. The tax bill in a couple years will shock all of us.

This bill has so many things that are wonderful. When the president at the time introduced a proposal to discuss health care in 2007, he was mocked by the congress....now, his proposal was not the same at all except it had most of the same goals

As what is really going to happen to this country as this bill matures, the american public have become very suspect.....and as time goes on it will be even worse.

Insuring those with pre existing conditions....allowing children to stay on their parents health policy, etc.......ALL proposed in the past....ALL agreed by everyone to be a part of any health legislation. What was missing was any discussion, public OR private with anyone but the health insurance industries.

Those who speak as if this law is black and white...if you oppose this, you are a bad person opposed to items I mentioned....NOT THE CASE.....I cannot think of anyone opposed to any of that at all.......it is how we get there that was the question and do you not wonder what might have been had there been discussion on this bill ?

The financial implications of this bill will haunt your children and grandchildren for years....it is already haunting those who have lost their health insurance or worse.

Ill designed.....poorly planned...politically planned....I doubt if this can be scrapped and start over. I know the authors are already doing the dance of asking for suggestions to fix it.....they sure should have done that when they promised they would and did not....might have been a different landscape.

A great thought has been made into a political football and did not need to be that way. I, for one, will never forget the birth of this and the dishonesty and manipulation done in the name of caring.

I don't see why this thread should be closed. What is wrong with having opposing views about anything? POLITE discussion is a good and healthy thing. Those who are 'offended' (what a tedious overwrought word) are free to find many other threads more to their liking, leaving people who like to debate ideas free to do so. To each his own.