[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Just don't ask ChatGPT who David Mayer is.

LOL! yea, that was funny!

[skarra]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

AI, yes in many ways.
You can type at us about AI as there are alot of high tech experienced people on this site.
But as far as AI in education, I think you might want to talk with some front line teachers who deal with it everyday, versus a plutocrat

However, BG is just an anachronistic plutocrat trying to stay relevant in technology today. Don't conflate the two. .

I don't know why folks hate Bill to this degree, but what I do know is that he is intelligent and has some interesting ideas as do other folks. For example, AI can be used to actually score students on how original their work is. That might help teachers in their job. AI bots could also do much of the teaching in time - I can definitely see that happening. And it could be personalized for each student.

It's a new frontier we're embarking upon. The sooner it replaces those automated voice systems that customer service likes to use today the happier we will all be.

[M2inOR]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

I'm not entirely confident that what Bill Gates and I think are good for the education system are the same things. I'm about the basics: reading, writing, math, philosophy (logical analysis), and physical science. I'm not about DEI, climate panic, brainwashing, bias inducing, or population control.

I suspect we might be diametrically opposite in our ideas.

Absolutely!

The younger generations...too many no longer have the basics, even though all of them have attended a K-12 generation.

Without analytical and critical thinking skills, as well as mastering reading, writing, and arithmetic, MEI will be much more important.

And for those who didn't know, MEI means:
Merit
Experience
Intelligence

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by skarra

I was listening to a recent Youtube interview where Bill Gates was talking about the effects that AI is going to have on our education system. Most of it will be good thankfully.

What seems more doubtful is how it will be leveraged in society in general. The bad actors (Cyber Crime) are already all over it, and a lot of white collar jobs are being impacted already.

Does anyone have any stories about how it's impacting them? I know CoPilot, ChatGPT etc is already available to the masses, and I use it for so many things with great effect. I'm really looking forward to seeing it being applied to the healthcare industry. But my biggest concern is that without proper governance it will be abused - are our governments up to the task?

Interesting times.

I was an English professor at a university for forty years. My daughter is one now. Fifteen or twenty years ago, students began buying papers online and trying to pass them off as their own work. I caught a small number of these on my own and punished the students. Then several apps became available that let teachers paste in all or part of an essay and in seconds receive a report on if any of it is plagiarized. Then some teachers began requiring that all papers be submitted directly to one of these apps before the teacher would look at it. Instead, I assigned individualized topics that students couldn’t find online. That worked.

For my daughter, teaching in central Georgia, dealing with ChatGPT over the past few years has been very difficult, as students can be much more specific about what they want. She has had a number of students turn in papers they ordered up from ChatGPT or a similar source and tried to pass off as their own work. Often the students are minority students who deny cheating and know how to make a fuss with the social equity office if a teacher lowers their grade. Teachers generally let them get away with it. I’m so glad I don’t have to deal with that. A lot of college students have very low moral standards and think cheating is acceptable. It’s disgusting.

I have a friend here in The Villages who recently published a large book. The vocabulary was graduate school level. Her editor told her her audience was likely to be people who read on the eighth grade level. She submitted the entire book to ChatGPT and “dumbed it down.” Then we had to go through it carefully and find phrases or sentences where the meaning had inadvertently been changed. I had thought it would take her several months to rewrite the book, but the changes took seconds. The proofreading took several weeks, though.

[Rainger99]

The following is an AI response to whether it is helpful or harmful.

Whether AI is helpful or harmful depends on the context in which it's used. AI can be incredibly helpful in many areas, such as improving healthcare, automating repetitive tasks, enhancing productivity, and solving complex problems. It can also drive innovation and improve accessibility to services.

However, AI also poses risks. If misused, it can contribute to job displacement, amplify biases in decision-making, or even be used in harmful applications like surveillance or weaponry. Additionally, there are concerns about privacy, security, and the ethical implications of AI systems making decisions without human oversight.

Ultimately, AI itself is neutral—it's how we design, deploy, and regulate it that determines whether its impact is beneficial or harmful.

[Susan1717]

One major problem worsening with AI is the huge impact it’s having on draining our electric grid system. I’ve seen numerous news reports and been researching online. It could impact our home use of using electricity by designating times of usage, especially for large items like car charging, dishwasher and washing machine. There’s also concern about the extent of the huge power plants that will be needed and the harmful RF and other emissions they radiate to neighbors on top of all the fuel they take to run.

[rsmurano]

I spent 45 years in high tech and bill gates is the last person I would look for advice in the high tech area, unless you want to know how to rip off somebody’s technology or are still using dos/windows. This guy is a clown!
If you want to listen to somebody intelligent on AI, go out to many YT videos and podcasts that has Elon Musk describing the good and the bad that AI can bring us. In today’s AI arena, you still have programmers that are influencing the output from AI programs, like ChatGPT. We all know how biased our search engines are from all the high tech companies and this is from programmer code. Same goes for ChatGPT.
I read AI books 4 decades ago so it’s not new technology.
What we have to worry about is when a rogue country or when robots get smart enough to write AI code that will do harm. We program all the robots used in our factories today and humans still check the robots work, but when robots are smart enough to check their own work and make modifications to themselves, watch out, all you need is 1 bad apple/robot/programmer and things will get out of control.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Susan1717

One major problem worsening with AI is the huge impact it’s having on draining our electric grid system. I’ve seen numerous news reports and been researching online. It could impact our home use of using electricity by designating times of usage, especially for large items like car charging, dishwasher and washing machine. There’s also concern about the extent of the huge power plants that will be needed and the harmful RF and other emissions they radiate to neighbors on top of all the fuel they take to run.

There's always someone who swings for the fences and ends up with a pop fly to left field.

[gorillarick]

Originally Posted by MandoMan

I was an English professor at a university for forty years. My daughter is one now. Fifteen or twenty years ago, students began buying papers online and trying to pass them off as their own work. I caught a small number of these on my own and punished the students. Then several apps became available that let teachers paste in all or part of an essay and in seconds receive a report on if any of it is plagiarized. Then some teachers began requiring that all papers be submitted directly to one of these apps before the teacher would look at it. Instead, I assigned individualized topics that students couldn’t find online. That worked.

For my daughter, teaching in central Georgia, dealing with ChatGPT over the past few years has been very difficult, as students can be much more specific about what they want. She has had a number of students turn in papers they ordered up from ChatGPT or a similar source and tried to pass off as their own work. Often the students are minority students who deny cheating and know how to make a fuss with the social equity office if a teacher lowers their grade. Teachers generally let them get away with it. I’m so glad I don’t have to deal with that. A lot of college students have very low moral standards and think cheating is acceptable. It’s disgusting.

I have a friend here in The Villages who recently published a large book. The vocabulary was graduate school level. Her editor told her her audience was likely to be people who read on the eighth grade level. She submitted the entire book to ChatGPT and “dumbed it down.” Then we had to go through it carefully and find phrases or sentences where the meaning had inadvertently been changed. I had thought it would take her several months to rewrite the book, but the changes took seconds. The proofreading took several weeks, though.

"if a teacher lowers their grade"

In the old days; cheating was instant expulsion.
There's no cure for this. We're stuck with stupid.
Entropy is the engineering term for it.

I have a friend who is dean of the education dept. at a fairly large state U. Says she had an experienced HS teacher who returned to U for a master's - for a pay raise. Could not put a paragraph together. So we have stupid teaching cheats?

[Andyb]

Originally Posted by skarra

I was listening to a recent Youtube interview where Bill Gates was talking about the effects that AI is going to have on our education system. Most of it will be good thankfully.

What seems more doubtful is how it will be leveraged in society in general. The bad actors (Cyber Crime) are already all over it, and a lot of white collar jobs are being impacted already.

Does anyone have any stories about how it's impacting them? I know CoPilot, ChatGPT etc is already available to the masses, and I use it for so many things with great effect. I'm really looking forward to seeing it being applied to the healthcare industry. But my biggest concern is that without proper governance it will be abused - are our governments up to the task?

Interesting times.

I would not listen to anything Bill Gates has to say. He is a fraud.
In the end AI will be more destructive than beneficial. It will destroy trust.

[Shelbyh]

Originally Posted by skarra

I was listening to a recent Youtube interview where Bill Gates was talking about the effects that AI is going to have on our education system. Most of it will be good thankfully.

What seems more doubtful is how it will be leveraged in society in general. The bad actors (Cyber Crime) are already all over it, and a lot of white collar jobs are being impacted already.

Does anyone have any stories about how it's impacting them? I know CoPilot, ChatGPT etc is already available to the masses, and I use it for so many things with great effect. I'm really looking forward to seeing it being applied to the healthcare industry. But my biggest concern is that without proper governance it will be abused - are our governments up to the task?

Interesting times.

I see the risk vs reward as a negative.
People need to be doing more not less. That’s the whole problem with the world. Everything being done for you is the cause of a degenerate society with to much time on their hands leads to deviance.
My career was in healthcare. As far back as 2019 I have seen the plans for AI. I refuse to be apart of it. The goal is to monitor everyone in their home 24/7. What you eat, activities, sleep, etc. then penalize you for behavior not “approved”.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

For those who want to understand the effect of data and technology, you might want to read this book:
Explains why many of us here aren't technology worshippers for education. .

Amazon.com

and at some point in our lives, we have all, myself included, used google information to believe we are more informed than experts. . inch deep knowledge versus mile deep experienced subject matter experts.

Yes, the world is changing, however, is it for the better? ie, at some point, if the internet is rendered useless, ie, you can't look up any information, will the youngest generations know how to survive easily?

[SHIBUMI]

Ai can analyze your golf swing, BUT, it cannot help you feel your golf swing.
Ai has no feel mechanism only facts mechanism. Ai cannot relate to you, never will.
Seek human help with your golf swing and develop feel.

Originally Posted by Velvet

So far I like ChatGPT. It lets me talk to it in my native language - haven’t had a chance to use my mother tongue in 30 years. Then I have a Chinese gf I plan to surprise by learning some Mandarin to talk to her at our MahJongg games.

I get the best coupons and sales available anywhere when I ask.

AI is teaching me how to play Canasta and Bridge, too bad it can’t analyze my golf swing (yet). It’s really a lot like having a smart toaster that can talk back.

So on a personal level, I’m having fun with it.

[Pixelpups]

What I found most concerning about ai is that it is open sourced and China has vacuumed up enough code to reverse engineer their own ai… smart disinformation, damaging infiltration anyone? It won’t be spy balloons next time.

[BrianL99]

We all grew up in a world that valued knowledge and information.

We now live in a world, that all the world's knowledge and information, is available to anyone with a cell phone.

To use this decade's word of choice, we are now in a world where the ability to curate knowledge and information, is what's valuable.

AI is the future, just like TV took over from radio. Time to embrace it and not just try to wish it away.