[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by tedquick

As I intimated, he probably did not intend to kill anyone, but any time you are handed a gun and regardless of what you are told about that gun it is your responsibility to make sure that it is safe, or if not then you must treat it differently. The gun handler is always 100% responsible for what happens with any gun in their possession.

As someone who doesn't know the first thing about guns, and has no interest in learning, that's all really great info.

However - if I was on a movie set, playing cops and robbers, and given a PROP that someone said was "cold" I'd probably not check to see if there were bullets in it. I'd think - yup, it really IS cool to the touch or maybe nope, that's pretty warm, actually. And then I'd continue with the scene using the prop given to me.

Because I'm not a gun person, don't know the rules and etiquette of gun handling, and aren't interested in learning about real guns at all. I shouldn't have to care, if I'm just playing a makebelieve role with what I am told is a prop for a make-believe scene in a movie that isn't a documentary.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

As someone who doesn't know the first thing about guns, and has no interest in learning, that's all really great info.

However - if I was on a movie set, playing cops and robbers, and given a PROP that someone said was "cold" I'd probably not check to see if there were bullets in it. I'd think - yup, it really IS cool to the touch or maybe nope, that's pretty warm, actually. And then I'd continue with the scene using the prop given to me.

Because I'm not a gun person, don't know the rules and etiquette of gun handling, and aren't interested in learning about real guns at all. I shouldn't have to care, if I'm just playing a makebelieve role with what I am told is a prop for a make-believe scene in a movie that isn't a documentary.

My basic rule when handling a gun was never keep it loaded unless you are hunting with it and always treat it as if it were loaded.

On another subject. If they were going for a sequence where a loaded pistol is fired at the audience then the bullets in the weapon would have to appear real to the audience. Especially if a real close up was involved.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I still haven't read why live ammo was on the movie set. Who put it there and why?

Exactly. Isn't that the most obvious question? Why is no one talking about what real bullets were even doing on the set to begin with and who would load a gun with them that is being used on a movie set?

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Villageswimmer

Very, very tragic. In an industry that constantly decries gun violence, why do they use them in movies? Double standard much?

Simple answer to your question. Because they want to make lots of money, so they have to make the type of movies that the most people will pay to watch. You are correct, it is a double standard. That double standard marginalizes their position on gun violence.

[Woodbear]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

My basic rule when handling a gun was never keep it loaded unless you are hunting with it and always treat it as if it were loaded.

On another subject. If they were going for a sequence where a loaded pistol is fired at the audience then the bullets in the weapon would have to appear real to the audience. Especially if a real close up was involved.

Having a loaded gun is never the problem. I have loaded guns at the ready all the time. Stuff only starts to hit the fan when I put my booger finger on the bang bang switch and aim the weapon at another object/individual. A loaded gun is no more dangerous than a car with a tankful of gas. Neither item is an issue till we become actionable with the inanimate object.

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

Exactly. Isn't that the most obvious question? Why is no one talking about what real bullets were even doing on the set to begin with and who would load a gun with them that is being used on a movie set?

They weren’t real bullets… they were blanks. Blanks kill.

[skippy05]

He didn't check to see if it was loaded. He should go to jail for the rest of his life. Simple. End of story.

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by skippy05

He didn't check to see if it was loaded. He should go to jail for the rest of his life. Simple. End of story.

You have no idea what you’re talking about or how the movie industry works. I bet if it was Tom Selleck you’d have a different response. I love how everyone is making the death of a 48 year old mother of a 9 year old, a political thing. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALEC BALDWIN AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH GUN SAFETY ON SETS. PERIOD. I have worked in this business, on sets, for over 30 years and still do. There is ONE person in charge of guns. ONE…. That person failed to do the job.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

You have no idea what you’re talking about or how the movie industry works. I bet if it was Tom Selleck you’d have a different response. I love how everyone is making the death of a 48 year old mother of a 9 year old, a political thing. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALEC BALDWIN AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH GUN SAFETY ON SETS. PERIOD. I have worked in this business, on sets, for over 30 years and still do. There is ONE person in charge of guns. ONE…. That person failed to do the job.

Good. Some sense on Talk of the Villages. A lot of this is about what shows Alec Baldwin was on and when.

An actor should not be second-guessing the prop master or whatever on a movie set.

If someone gave me a loaded gun to look at here in the Villages I would unload it right then as I do not like being around a weapon with live rounds in it. If it is my hands then I am responsible for it if it goes off.

[RMHisle]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

As someone who doesn't know the first thing about guns, and has no interest in learning, that's all really great info.

However - if I was on a movie set, playing cops and robbers, and given a PROP that someone said was "cold" I'd probably not check to see if there were bullets in it. I'd think - yup, it really IS cool to the touch or maybe nope, that's pretty warm, actually. And then I'd continue with the scene using the prop given to me.

Because I'm not a gun person, don't know the rules and etiquette of gun handling, and aren't interested in learning about real guns at all. I shouldn't have to care, if I'm just playing a makebelieve role with what I am told is a prop for a make-believe scene in a movie that isn't a documentary.

You have a responsibility to learn about guns from someone with competent knowledge on them, otherwise you don't pick them up.

If you are handed a firearm and told it is loaded with blanks, you personally have to check it right then and there. If you pull the trigger and it harms someone, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.

[Taltarzac725]

8 famous people who accidentally shot themselves | The Week

I found this interesting.

I recall that a fellow Earl Wooster HS grad (Reno, Nevada) Greg LeMond got shot and nearly died in a hunting accident. Greg LeMond - Wikipedia

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

I have worked in this business, on sets, for over 30 years and still do. There is ONE person in charge of guns. ONE…. That person failed to do the job.

Just because "you" are on a set does not remove personal responsibility.
"You" have a knife, a gun, explosive materials in your hand, "you" are responsible.

With safety issues on this set, "you" can't stick your head in the sand.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

He was given, what he was told was a cold gun. The fault is with the prop person in charge of the gun. .

That excuse will work great on the South side of Chicago.
My fellow gang member told me it was a cold gun.

The laws are not different on a "set".
Come back to reality.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by tedquick

As I intimated, he probably did not intend to kill anyone, but any time you are handed a gun and regardless of what you are told about that gun it is your responsibility to make sure that it is safe, or if not then you must treat it differently. The gun handler is always 100% responsible for what happens with any gun in their possession.

[jimkerr]

He is 100% responsible. He pointed the gun and pulled the trigger. He should have checked the gun himself.