[tomwed]

A dog in a store, what could be worse than that?

A 3 year old tearing up the place completely out of control.

Or maybe some skanky person barely human. Or was it shanky?

And what if none of this bothers you?

Than evil will triumph all over you.

Am i getting this right?

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by fred53

Some service dogs are psychological aids to vets with PTSD...no idea if this one was, but it's quite easy for a person who claims anxiety issues to get their dog certified as a service dog.

When they allow them into a restaurant I get my check/pay up and leave. No one knows how clean that dog is. Might have just peed all over itself.

Fred,
Changed my mind on passing.
This is a website for a nearby trainer with a grant from the vets admin.
If you think lightly of this bit about claiming anxiety..Read up.

And you are right, who knows! And who is rude enough to challenge?
Guardian Angels pairing & training medical service dogs

Yes, misuses happen...but how big a deal is that?

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Kitty is right. Basically, what harm did the little leashed dog do to you or anyone else at Walgreens? Is it worth any money to make laws to keep the very tiny percentage of dogs from being called "service animals" and it really might have been one for all we know.



Would you rather have the fake service dog being well behaved or a 3 year old child out of control at the candy display unwrapping candy bars and his mommy doing nothing?



Yep, worthless debate and waste of my time. Glad I had some Johnny Walker Black handy.

Excellent selection

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Kitty is right. Basically, what harm did the little leashed dog do to you or anyone else at Walgreens? Is it worth any money to make laws to keep the very tiny percentage of dogs from being called "service animals" and it really might have been one for all we know.

Would you rather have the fake service dog being well behaved or a 3 year old child out of control at the candy display unwrapping candy bars and his mommy doing nothing?

Yep, worthless debate and waste of my time. Glad I had some Johnny Walker Black handy.

One or two today that should not be there, more tomorrow and the next day, and even more the next. What about when the little leashed dog decides to do his business in the floor or even on the merchandise which will happen?

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by tomwed

A dog in a store, what could be worse than that?

A 3 year old tearing up the place completely out of control.

Or maybe some skanky person barely human. Or was it shanky?

And what if none of this bothers you?

Than evil will triumph all over you.

Am i getting this right?

How do you think it got the way it is now in the first place? Nothing was done when the first out of control 3 year old came along, then another and another. Now it has more or less become the expected and the norm.

[Topspinmo]

Well f I got to wear shoes and shirt in stores so should the dogs

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

One or two today that should not be there, more tomorrow and the next day, and even more the next. What about when the little leashed dog decides to do his business in the floor or even on the merchandise which will happen?

If a dog doesn't pee in it's house it probably won't do so in a store. When a dog is housebroken they potty outside - not on merchandise.

[Bonny]

I usually don't say much about this topic, but I must.
Are there people that take advantage of saying service dog, I'm sure.
Do some use a dog and say emotional support or comfort dog that may not need them, I'm sure.
With that being said, I have a friend that has a small dog for emotional support. He has some issues that make it difficult for him to go out by himself. He doesn't converse well with people and gets very nervous about it. When he has his little dog, he is much calmer. Yes he goes to a few restaurants & sits on the patio with his little guy & has a bite to eat. Yes, he has taken the dog in a store.
Without the dog, he would literally spend most of his time in his house. What a shame that someone would begrudge him of that one comfort in his life.
He doesn't bother anyone. He's a very nice guy and if he needs that dog to get out into the world a little, God bless him.
Please stop trying to analyze people's needs by looking at them, questioning what they need the dog for and making them feel less of a person than they are.
Can't we all get along and give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when we have no clue !!
Okay, rant over.
I hope everyone has an awesome day and just enjoy the lives that we have.

[newguyintv]

Originally Posted by Bonny

I usually don't say much about this topic, but I must.
Are there people that take advantage of saying service dog, I'm sure.
Do some use a dog and say emotional support or comfort dog that may not need them, I'm sure.
With that being said, I have a friend that has a small dog for emotional support. He has some issues that make it difficult for him to go out by himself. He doesn't converse well with people and gets very nervous about it. When he has his little dog, he is much calmer. Yes he goes to a few restaurants & sits on the patio with his little guy & has a bite to eat. Yes, he has taken the dog in a store.
Without the dog, he would literally spend most of his time in his house. What a shame that someone would begrudge him of that one comfort in his life.
He doesn't bother anyone. He's a very nice guy and if he needs that dog to get out into the world a little, God bless him.
Please stop trying to analyze people's needs by looking at them, questioning what they need the dog for and making them feel less of a person than they are.
Can't we all get along and give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when we have no clue !!
Okay, rant over.
I hope everyone has an awesome day and just enjoy the lives that we have.

Quite an emotional plea for tolerance of "cheating". Only Seeing Eye and Service Dogs should be allowed in stores or shops, except perhaps pet stores which already smell.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bonny

I usually don't say much about this topic, but I must.
Are there people that take advantage of saying service dog, I'm sure.
Do some use a dog and say emotional support or comfort dog that may not need them, I'm sure.
With that being said, I have a friend that has a small dog for emotional support. He has some issues that make it difficult for him to go out by himself. He doesn't converse well with people and gets very nervous about it. When he has his little dog, he is much calmer. Yes he goes to a few restaurants & sits on the patio with his little guy & has a bite to eat. Yes, he has taken the dog in a store.
Without the dog, he would literally spend most of his time in his house. What a shame that someone would begrudge him of that one comfort in his life.
He doesn't bother anyone. He's a very nice guy and if he needs that dog to get out into the world a little, God bless him.
Please stop trying to analyze people's needs by looking at them, questioning what they need the dog for and making them feel less of a person than they are.
Can't we all get along and give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when we have no clue !!
Okay, rant over.
I hope everyone has an awesome day and just enjoy the lives that we have.

I agree, there are people who needs service dogs, and their need may not be evident by looking at them. The blind person with a white tipped cane and a seeing eye dog is obvious (except on Halloween). The person with an anxiety disorder and an emotional support dog is not. However, there seems to be an "explosion" in the number of these animals all over the place. This means there is either an epidemic of disabilities requiring a service animal, or there is a lot of fraud.

The situation is similar to SSDI. In 1992, there were about 3 million on disability, now there are about 11 million---did American workplaces become unsafe places in the last 20 years, is there an epidemic of disabling diseases in the under 65 crowd, or are there about 8 million frauds out there?

The sad part is this: As the number of frauds increases and dwarfs those that truly are in need, people will eye all service animals with derision---you can see by this thread it has already started

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

Quite an emotional plea for tolerance of "cheating". Only Seeing Eye and Service Dogs should be allowed in stores or shops, except perhaps pet stores which already smell.

Oh, no--again I can't agree---see above. Was hoping, but alas

[newguyintv]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Oh, no--again I can't agree---see above. Was hoping, but alas

Ya gotta be wrong sometime.

[Gerald]

First of all You don't have the right to question a person who has a service dog with him or her. Who do you think you are trying to challenge a handicap person.
If the dog has a service dog collar or a service ID attached to its collar. That is it! By LAW what you are doing is fighting with a handicap person. Guess who actually will have problems with the law.
You have not one clue why of how the dog was trained or what the service is nor is it even your business. Privacy laws. You should read laws first then talk. Before you make a fool of yourself.

They can be touched if the owner says ok. As for the store they can ask to see official Id. which is carried by the owner. If the store challenges and it is never done because if they are wrong it is a criminal offense to abuse handicap people the store will get a huge fine in the thousands of dollars plus have to deal with many handicap groups that follow treatment of handicap people and service dogs.

[kittygilchrist]

Well who knew this topic would heat up so?

Here is the best site I can find with info on legitimate registration...
On the other hand, the google hit says "take your dog anywhere"..
Anyone can buy vests, decals, etc. without papers fm diagnosticians.

It is a problem that needs working out..just not a priority in these days of federal spending.

https://www.officialservicedogregist...Fdc9gQodKJMOGQ

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Gerald

First of all You don't have the right to question a person who has a service dog with him or her. Who do you think you are trying to challenge a handicap person.
If the dog has a service dog collar or a service ID attached to its collar. That is it! By LAW what you are doing is fighting with a handicap person. Guess who actually will have problems with the law.
You have not one clue why of how the dog was trained or what the service is nor is it even your business. Privacy laws. You should read laws first then talk. Before you make a fool of yourself.

They can be touched if the owner says ok. As for the store they can ask to see official Id. which is carried by the owner. If the store challenges and it is never done because if they are wrong it is a criminal offense to abuse handicap people the store will get a huge fine in the thousands of dollars plus have to deal with many handicap groups that follow treatment of handicap people and service dogs.

Your right, you should read the law before making a fool of yourself

from ADA.gov:

3. Q: How can I tell if an animal is really a service animal and not just a pet?



A: Some, but not all, service animals wear special collars and harnesses. Some, but not all, are licensed or certified and have identification papers. If you are not certain that an animal is a service animal, you may ask the person who has the animal if it is a service animal required because of a disability. However, an individual who is going to a restaurant or theater is not likely to be carrying documentation of his or her medical condition or disability. Therefore, such documentation generally may not be required as a condition for providing service to an individual accompanied by a service animal. Although a number of states have programs to certify service animals, you may not insist on proof of state certification before permitting the service animal to accompany the person with a disability.

There is no law against asking a question (at least not yet). Asking a question is NOT fighting with someone. And you are only asking the question of a handicapped person if they are indeed handicapped.

Don't get me wrong, I favor service animals that help those with a disability. I like dogs, own 2, and couldn't care less if someone, disabled or not, has a dog with them. But the question at hand was regarding people who fraudulently claim they have a service animal with them. I don't think your response hit the mark, given the facts from the ADA