[Taltarzac725]

The shooter is just some evil SOB who wanted to be famous like the Unabomber. Sick that some people are trying to make a hero out of him.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What I WANT is economic FAIRNESS as there was in the 50s and 60s when America had the world's strongest middle class. After 1980 the average middle class worker's pay stayed the same (made ZERO gains) when inflation is considered - from 1980 until today. After Covid there was a small gain in average pay.
.........What I would have liked to HAVE HAPPENED is for the tax laws to NOT have been changed toward benefiting the upper class. That would have kept the working class strong (and incidentally made the US stronger than it is today). I would have liked to have the Politicians from 1980 to today to have RESISTED all forms of OUTSOURCING to China and other countries. I would have LIKED the Politicians after 1960 to have KEPT the population of the US from rising above 260 million people by decreasing IMMIGRATION to only a few needed Physicians and top end Scientists. Note now we have so many unnecessary low level people ALREADY in the USA, that we are now thinking about deporting 10 or 20 million people. That would be REVERSE immigration. What an interesting concept. What if a country DECIDED what their BEST maximum population SHOULD be. Switzerland may be the closest country that tries to keep an IDEAL population level. Australia also has strict rules about immigration.
...........I would also RESPECT and encourage ALL UNIONS.
..........If the US had done those things that I outlined above, I believe that America would be STRONGER than it is today and Americans would be happier and wealthier. It would be like "the streets were REALLY paved in GOLD".

Wow. You think the tax rate in the 50's was fair??? Some paid 0 while others paid 85%! Here's what's "fair"---a flat 17%, PERIOD.

[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The shooter is just some evil SOB who wanted to be famous like the Unabomber. Sick that some people are trying to make a hero out of him.

I agree with you. Although the internet has been a vehicle for a lot of good, unfortunately it at times can give rise to a very dark side of humanity that hides behind anonymity to say many awful things. Seeing what happens on teen social sites and children being driven to suicide does show the depravity that can inhabit the web. Australia is on the right track limiting internet access to young people in order to protect them. We adults have to make our own decisions. It is disturbing to me to see all the class warfare, anti business, and political theories as to why this happened. Some even theorize that the man himself or his wife had him killed by this amateur. Is it possible that this is just one man who went to New York alone and murdered this businessman?

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The shooter is just some evil SOB who wanted to be famous like the Unabomber. Sick that some people are trying to make a hero out of him.

Right, the shooter is a cold blooded murderer.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Wow. You think the tax rate in the 50's was fair??? Some paid 0 while others paid 85%! Here's what's "fair"---a flat 17%, PERIOD.

Many rich people pay ZERO taxes today. A flat tax system would only help rich people and hurt the most important segment of ANY society - the middle class. A highly progressive tax that forces rich people to pay their fair share is the best because those that are born lucky enough to be rich will be able to help out those that were not so lucky and some that have physical problems.
........Incidentally, one of the main ideas of the early Colonists were that each generation should earn their OWN way. That they should NOT get inheritances from their parents. Inheritances makes rich families, which eventually develop into KINGS and DICTATORS. There should be zero transfer of inter - generational wealth.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

I agree with you. Although the internet has been a vehicle for a lot of good, unfortunately it at times can give rise to a very dark side of humanity that hides behind anonymity to say many awful things. Seeing what happens on teen social sites and children being driven to suicide does show the depravity that can inhabit the web. Australia is on the right track limiting internet access to young people in order to protect them. We adults have to make our own decisions. It is disturbing to me to see all the class warfare, anti business, and political theories as to why this happened. Some even theorize that the man himself or his wife had him killed by this amateur. Is it possible that this is just one man who went to New York alone and murdered this businessman?

A murderer is a murderer and that IS very wrong. But, the important point about this interesting situation IS that many on the internet REALIZE that it is WRONG and SHOULD BE A CRIME to deny insurance claims at a ridiculously high rate. Greed approaches a CRIME when people get a medical procedure denied that would have saved their lives.
............Let me put this on a balance beam .......DEAD customers that were denied care versus more money going into the hands of GREEDY corporations.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Wow. You think the tax rate in the 50's was fair??? Some paid 0 while others paid 85%! Here's what's "fair"---a flat 17%, PERIOD.

Flat income taxes have gone the way of the DODO bird because they are just WAY wrong. Florida has a flat tax called Sales tax and can get away with it because they have so many visitors from Europe to the Magic Kingdom. Florida had better hope that Europeans do NOT decide to boycott Florida.

[mbene]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The shooter is just some evil SOB who wanted to be famous like the Unabomber. Sick that some people are trying to make a hero out of him.

How many people have been murdered by healthcare companies denying coverage, coverage you pay for in the name of greed. The largest reason people file bankruptcy is because of medical debt, this is unconscionable.

UHC was denying more than any other company. These companies don't even use medical professionals or even someone with a medical background to determine if claims should be paid or denied. One doctor was saying that a patient was denied chemotherapy because the person making the decision didn't know that a carcinoma was cancer!

[manaboutown]

He had spinal surgery to his lower back and was living with debilitating back pain. Probably on lots of pain meds...

Interesting that he shot the CEO in the back...

Luigi Mangione told friends about back pain before CEO slaying: reports | Fox News

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Many rich people pay ZERO taxes today. A flat tax system would only help rich people and hurt the most important segment of ANY society - the middle class. A highly progressive tax that forces rich people to pay their fair share is the best because those that are born lucky enough to be rich will be able to help out those that were not so lucky and some that have physical problems.
........Incidentally, one of the main ideas of the early Colonists were that each generation should earn their OWN way. That they should NOT get inheritances from their parents. Inheritances makes rich families, which eventually develop into KINGS and DICTATORS. There should be zero transfer of inter - generational wealth.

Envy, one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What I WANT is economic FAIRNESS as there was in the 50s and 60s when America had the world's strongest middle class. After 1980 the average middle class worker's pay stayed the same (made ZERO gains) when inflation is considered - from 1980 until today. After Covid there was a small gain in average pay.
.........What I would have liked to HAVE HAPPENED is for the tax laws to NOT have been changed toward benefiting the upper class. That would have kept the working class strong (and incidentally made the US stronger than it is today). I would have liked to have the Politicians from 1980 to today to have RESISTED all forms of OUTSOURCING to China and other countries. I would have LIKED the Politicians after 1960 to have KEPT the population of the US from rising above 260 million people by decreasing IMMIGRATION to only a few needed Physicians and top end Scientists. Note now we have so many unnecessary low level people ALREADY in the USA, that we are now thinking about deporting 10 or 20 million people. That would be REVERSE immigration. What an interesting concept. What if a country DECIDED what their BEST maximum population SHOULD be. Switzerland may be the closest country that tries to keep an IDEAL population level. Australia also has strict rules about immigration.
...........I would also RESPECT and encourage ALL UNIONS.
..........If the US had done those things that I outlined above, I believe that America would be STRONGER than it is today and Americans would be happier and wealthier. It would be like "the streets were REALLY paved in GOLD".

All I remember about the 50's, as a young kid, is hard times. I grew up poor and many of our neighbors and friends weren't much better off than us. I never experienced those good old days in the 50's.
Manufacturing is what built the middle class in this country. The demise of the middle class started when U.S. manufacturers, starting in the 80's if I remember correctly, began moving their plants to 3d world countries and shuttering their facilities in the U.S. We need to bring back manufacturing into this country.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What I WANT is economic FAIRNESS as there was in the 50s and 60s when America had the world's strongest middle class. After 1980 the average middle class worker's pay stayed the same (made ZERO gains) when inflation is considered - from 1980 until today. After Covid there was a small gain in average pay.
.........What I would have liked to HAVE HAPPENED is for the tax laws to NOT have been changed toward benefiting the upper class. That would have kept the working class strong (and incidentally made the US stronger than it is today). I would have liked to have the Politicians from 1980 to today to have RESISTED all forms of OUTSOURCING to China and other countries. I would have LIKED the Politicians after 1960 to have KEPT the population of the US from rising above 260 million people by decreasing IMMIGRATION to only a few needed Physicians and top end Scientists. Note now we have so many unnecessary low level people ALREADY in the USA, that we are now thinking about deporting 10 or 20 million people. That would be REVERSE immigration. What an interesting concept. What if a country DECIDED what their BEST maximum population SHOULD be. Switzerland may be the closest country that tries to keep an IDEAL population level. Australia also has strict rules about immigration.
...........I would also RESPECT and encourage ALL UNIONS.
..........If the US had done those things that I outlined above, I believe that America would be STRONGER than it is today and Americans would be happier and wealthier. It would be like "the streets were REALLY paved in GOLD".

Unfortunately the world is a different place than the 50s . WW2 devastated a large section of the developed world, at the same time stimulating the growth of industry here in the USA, Third world countries were very much third world countries lacking much basic infrastructure. The situation geopolitically, economically and militarily put the western democracies in a position of the greatest leverage. One wage earner households could do OK. The devastated countries rebuilt, third world countries improved their economic potential all that = competition and now two wage earners per household is normal in order to have the standard of living people want . But that competition continues , it will not stop, economically, geopolitically, militarily,, nothing is as certain as change

[Rainger99]

I found this on the internet.

Medicare Advantage plans denied 7.4% of 46.2 million requests submitted in 2022. This was up from 5.7% in 2019.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

I found this on the internet.

Medicare Advantage plans denied 7.4% of 46.2 million requests submitted in 2022. This was up from 5.7% in 2019.

...and United Healthcare denied almost 33% of claims submitted to plans covering subscribers of their marketplace plans.

Pretty sure the shooter would not have been on a Medicare Advantage plan since he's only in his 20's.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

...and United Healthcare denied almost 33% of claims submitted to plans covering subscribers of their marketplace plans.

Pretty sure the shooter would not have been on a Medicare Advantage plan since he's only in his 20's.

As a medical provider for nearly 40 years, I cannot remember the last time UHC denied a claim we made for a patient...