[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by pugmom

lol! That came & went, huh?? I was in 8th grade when prince charles claimed the ozone condition would destroy the earth within 10 years. After that it became global warming, & now climate change, each time becoming more dire than the last warning. Same story re-packaged for each generation. I wonder what they'll call it 10 years from now?

three card monte

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by djplong

i may get banned for this but...

How ignorant can you be? Measuring hurricane severity by casualties? Are you nuts?

You know why there aren't many casualties in hurricanes these days? Satellite technology - meteorology - storm tracking.

We know days in advance when a storm is going to hit and get the warning out to people. We fly airplanes into these storms to get precise measurements. What airplane could do that in 1926? None - that's what!

Dear lord - the people here should be old enough to remember when we did not have these tools! They only started coming into play in the 1960s and 70s!

Yeah, the "top three" were in the early part of the 20th century - when the population was a lot less, there was almost no mass media (certainly not compared to today - only a couple of 'worst' storms would even have radio).

We're documenting the warning of the oceans. We're getting historical climate information from everything from tree rings to ice cores. We've documented the warming properties of carbon. The oil companies have been caught in misinformation campaigns to protect their profits.

Look, i don't blame some people for not knowing the difference between "weather" and "climate". It's hard, for example, to be up here in new england and hear about global warming during a blizzard. And that's why it's "climate change" now. As science learns more, the definitions get refined. Yes, "on average" the temperatures are going up - but in some places that means more severe winter storms. We know this because of observations and models.

I used to be a skeptic, like many here. We'd learned, back in grade school, that it was volcanoes that put the carbon in the atmosphere that changed the climate - over millenia. Now? Humans are putting over sixty times the amount of carbon into the atmosphere that volcanoes do, year over year. Still think we can't affect the climate? When we're 60x worse than the worst "natural" cause - that's the number that made me change my mind.

And that's what science is. When you find data that doesn't match up with what you thought was the answer, you do more testing. And that's how we've refined the models over time.

Science wasn't wrong. Science was being science. It's like looking into the sky and seeing something and thinking it's a star. Then you get a telescope and you see it's not a star but something spiral shaped. You get better optics and you start seeing that 'thing' is made up of many points of light - like stars are here. And you realize there are things called "galaxies". The word didn't exist not too long ago. But it doesn't mean that galileo was wrong. It means that we didn't have enough knowledge. Now, because of our technology, we're seeing more galaxies further out in the cosmos than we ever imagined - in numbers that we can't wrap our heads around. We pointed the hubble at some "empty space" and found thousands of galaxies. That's how science evolves.

We knew about the properties of carbon in the 1800s:

scientists understood physics of climate change in the 1800s – thanks to a woman named eunice foote

it was even in a new zealand newspaper in august of 1912:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ne...9120814.2.56.5

the data is overwhelming. Ask yourself who stands to profit from the denial. You think there's a "big science" out there making a profit off of the 'alarmism'? Who was the last billionaire scientists you met? Take a good look at the balance sheet of fossil fuel companies.

mission impossible

[CSB1228]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Don't just concentrate on Hurricanes but also droughts, and what people use to call hundred year weather events now estimated 500 year rain events.
Prior to April 1960 when the first weather satellite was launched we were blind to hurricane forecasting resulting in loss of life and property.

Let's not forget "The Dust Bowl" in the 1930's. Was that global warming??

[me4vt]

Amen

[BiPartisan]

Great Hurricane of 1780, it is among the deadliest storms ever recorded 20,000 dead. In today number that would be over 100,000 due to increased population.

[me4vt]

Gods time not ours ; )

[rsmurano]

That narrative didn’t pan out along with dozens of others. Years ago, it was earth warming, then earth cooling, the hole in the ozone, then climate change. The only change is the narrative of the year

[defrey12]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

There have always been and always be "deniers" no matter the subject. For whatever reason they can't accept evidence counter to their beliefs. Flat earther's are a good example. Anything relating to earth as a globe is conspiracy and lies in their minds.

Excuse me, but SCIENCE is not a “belief system.” And there is absolutely NO evidence that WE are the cause of it, ONLY computer models. The sky is not falling!

[dougawhite]

Scientists everywhere said Pluto was a planet, with not one of them disagreeing on that. Until...
So, scientists do not hold the ultimate truths, they just study nature, make conjectures and hypotheses, and take lots of measurements. Hardly anything is 'settled' in science, so always keep an open mind.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Steve

For those blaming "Climate Change" or "Global Warming" for the severity of Hurricane Ian here is a listing of the 10 most intense Florida hurricanes since record keeping of that nature began (not including Ian, of course).

Six were in the years1919-1960, long before 'Climate Change" or "Global Warming" were today's hot topic. They just happened because conditions were right.

The top three as far as loss of life is concerned were in 1919, 1926 and 1928.

Most Intense Hurricanes In Florida’s History
(From worldatlas.com)
Rank System Season Estimated Casualties
1 "Labor Day" 1935 400
2 Michael 2018 74
3 Andrew 1992 65
4 "Florida Keys" 1919 600-900
5 "Okeechobee" 1928 2,500
6 "Great Miami" 1926 372–539
7 Donna 1960 438
8 Irma 2017 134
9 "Florida" 1948 13
10 Charley 2004 35

The warming of the earth has happened at least once before that we know of. I think they called it the "Ice Age" where the earth cooled to the point it covered most of the planet with a sheet of ice killing off the dinosaurs, etc. But then it warmed up again and the glaciers that covered the earth receded...and it wasn't because of "greenhouse gases". We are still in that warming cycle and there's not an electric car in the world that can change that.

The Ice Age did not kill off the dinosaurs and the reason for the current Global Warming is the result of human caused activity. See the NASA website. It has many pages for your edification: Home – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Surprising coming from someone as educated as yourself.

Our climate IS changing, it has done so many, many times. For example, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, it was about 10-12 degrees warmer world wide. Twenty thousand years ago, half the northern hemisphere was covered in 2 miles of ice and it was 7-8 degrees colder on average. This is just fact, it would be illogical to deny it.

However, NONE of that has anything to do with humans burning fossil fuels. I again challenge those who believe that is the cause to tell me what model of SUV Fred Flintstone drove. To date, none of the "humans caused climate change believers" have even attempted to answer that question.

The last 4 million years have seen a cycle of repeated periods of glaciation and interglacial thaws that last not decades, not centuries, but 80-100,000 years. For anyone to make any assumptions based on the last 50 years is a joke. After all, Uncle Al said the polar ice caps would be gone by 2010, instead they are actually growing slowly. In the 1970's, the great fear was another ice age was imminent.

Unless we nuke ourselves into oblivion or the big asteroid comes to get us, we will be just fine in 2122---because "the rate at which we are changing the planet" is just about nil in comparison to the forces that drive climate change (the sun, variations in Earth's orbit and the tilt of its axis)

Search Results – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Climate Change: Global Temperature | NOAA Climate.gov

66 Million Years of Earth’s Climate History Uncovered – Puts Current Changes in Context

Read especially the latter that does show the earth was warmer millions of years ago, but that was before humans existed. The current trend is moving much faster than ever in recorded history and is directly the result of human activity as these reports all conclude. Please stop the nonsense and accept the reality which is presented very clearly by these reports of scientists who have studied the phenomena.

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by bipartisan

great hurricane of 1780, it is among the deadliest storms ever recorded 20,000 dead. In today number that would be over 100,000 due to increased population.

the loss of life is staggering.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

The Ice Age did not kill off the dinosaurs and the reason for the current Global Warming is the result of human caused activity. See the NASA website. It has many pages for your edification: Home – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Excellent!

[Gdkrause]

In order to even make a dent in human caused climate change, you have to start with China and India. The USA is not the big global polluter.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Search Results – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Climate Change: Global Temperature | NOAA Climate.gov

66 Million Years of Earth’s Climate History Uncovered – Puts Current Changes in Context

Read especially the latter that does show the earth was warmer millions of years ago, but that was before humans existed. The current trend is moving much faster than ever in recorded history and is directly the result of human activity as these reports all conclude. Please stop the nonsense and accept the reality which is presented very clearly by these reports of scientists who have studied the phenomena.

Yep!