[Caymus]

Article claims EV's are 28% more expensive than gas vehicles. Will need much more governmental subsides to allow lower income people to purchase.

I have not seen a breakdown of EV/ICE ownership by income. I wonder if most EV owners live in homes with garages and the associated easy and lower cost charging.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...rt/ar-AA1moUZR

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by biker1

Yes, GM has issues, I already mentioned that. They aren't, however, the only car manufacturer suppling EVs to the US. God help the big 3 if BYD starts importing cars into the US.

How about this letter to the President signed by 4000 auto dealership owners asking him to back off of the mandate because the EVs are sitting on their lots unsold? The 4000 are not all GM dealers, btw.

Dear Mr. President,

We are auto dealers from across the country who collectively sell every major brand in the U.S. We are small businesses employing thousands of Americans. We are deeply committed to the customers we serve and the communities where we operate, which is why we are asking you to slow down your proposed regulations mandating battery electric vehicle (BEV) production and distribution.

Your Administration has proposed regulations that would essentially mandate a dramatic shift to battery electric vehicles (BEVs), increasing year after year until 2032, when two out of every three vehicles sold in America would have to be battery electric.

Currently, there are many excellent battery electric vehicles available for consumers to purchase. These vehicles are ideal for many people, and we believe their appeal will grow over time. The reality, however, is that electric vehicle demand today is not keeping up with the large influx of BEVs arriving at our dealerships prompted by the current regulations. BEVs are stacking up on our lots.

Last year, there was a lot of hope and hype about EVs. Early adopters formed an initial line and were ready to buy these vehicles as soon as we had them to sell. But that enthusiasm has stalled. Today, the supply of unsold BEVs is surging, as they are not selling nearly as fast as they are arriving at our dealerships -- even with deep price cuts, manufacturer incentives, and generous government incentives.

While the goals of the regulations are admirable, they require consumer acceptance to become a reality. With each passing day, it becomes more apparent that this attempted electric vehicle mandate is unrealistic based on current and forecasted customer demand. Already, electric vehicles are stacking up on our lots which is our best indicator of customer demand in the marketplace.

Mr. President, no government agency, no think tank, and no polling firm knows more about the automobile customer than us. We talk to customers every day. As retail automotive dealerships, we are agnostic as to what we sell. Our business is to provide customers with vehicles that meet the needs of their budgets and lifestyles.

Some customers are in the market for electric vehicles, and we are thrilled to sell them. But the majority of customers are simply not ready to make the change. They are concerned about BEVs being unaffordable. Many do not have garages for home charging or easy access to public charging stations. Customers are also concerned about the loss of driving range in cold or hot weather. Some have long daily commutes and don’t have the extra time to charge the battery. Truck buyers are especially put off by the dramatic loss of range when towing. Today’s current technology is not adequate to support the needs of the majority of our consumers.

Many of these challenges can and will be addressed by our manufacturers, but many of these challenges are outside of their control. Reliable charging networks, electric grid stability, sourcing of materials, and many other issues need time to resolve. And finally, many people just want to make their own choice about what vehicle is right for them.

Mr. President, it is time to tap the brakes on the unrealistic government electric vehicle mandate. Allow time for the battery technology to advance. Allow time to make BEVs more affordable. Allow time to develop domestic sources for the minerals to make batteries. Allow time for the charging infrastructure to be built and prove reliable. And most of all, allow time for the American consumer to get comfortable with the technology and make the choice to buy an electric vehicle.

Sincerely,
Supporting Dealerships

[biker1]

Yeah, that is old news. Of course dealers don't like EVs - they are part of the increasing threat to their business model. I don't think you get it. Many (most?) automakers have announced that they are going to phase out ICE vehicles. Large capital expenditures have been made and will continue to be made for battery production, manufacturing, and mining/processing of required minerals. Recharging facilities are being built out. Many manufacturers have signed up for the NACS. CAFE standards have been set that force EVs to be made. Cash incentives are in place at the federal and state levels. The Federal Government and foreign governments are all in. Nine states have already announced bans on the sale of new gas vehicles in 2035. Many new EV models (many from GM) will be introduced in 2024. Think Blackberry when the iPhone and Android phones came out.

Originally Posted by shut the front door

How about this letter to the President signed by 4000 auto dealership owners asking him to back off of the mandate because the EVs are sitting on their lots unsold? The 4000 are not all GM dealers, btw.

Dear Mr. President,

We are auto dealers from across the country who collectively sell every major brand in the U.S. We are small businesses employing thousands of Americans. We are deeply committed to the customers we serve and the communities where we operate, which is why we are asking you to slow down your proposed regulations mandating battery electric vehicle (BEV) production and distribution.

Your Administration has proposed regulations that would essentially mandate a dramatic shift to battery electric vehicles (BEVs), increasing year after year until 2032, when two out of every three vehicles sold in America would have to be battery electric.

Currently, there are many excellent battery electric vehicles available for consumers to purchase. These vehicles are ideal for many people, and we believe their appeal will grow over time. The reality, however, is that electric vehicle demand today is not keeping up with the large influx of BEVs arriving at our dealerships prompted by the current regulations. BEVs are stacking up on our lots.

Last year, there was a lot of hope and hype about EVs. Early adopters formed an initial line and were ready to buy these vehicles as soon as we had them to sell. But that enthusiasm has stalled. Today, the supply of unsold BEVs is surging, as they are not selling nearly as fast as they are arriving at our dealerships -- even with deep price cuts, manufacturer incentives, and generous government incentives.

While the goals of the regulations are admirable, they require consumer acceptance to become a reality. With each passing day, it becomes more apparent that this attempted electric vehicle mandate is unrealistic based on current and forecasted customer demand. Already, electric vehicles are stacking up on our lots which is our best indicator of customer demand in the marketplace.

Mr. President, no government agency, no think tank, and no polling firm knows more about the automobile customer than us. We talk to customers every day. As retail automotive dealerships, we are agnostic as to what we sell. Our business is to provide customers with vehicles that meet the needs of their budgets and lifestyles.

Some customers are in the market for electric vehicles, and we are thrilled to sell them. But the majority of customers are simply not ready to make the change. They are concerned about BEVs being unaffordable. Many do not have garages for home charging or easy access to public charging stations. Customers are also concerned about the loss of driving range in cold or hot weather. Some have long daily commutes and don’t have the extra time to charge the battery. Truck buyers are especially put off by the dramatic loss of range when towing. Today’s current technology is not adequate to support the needs of the majority of our consumers.

Many of these challenges can and will be addressed by our manufacturers, but many of these challenges are outside of their control. Reliable charging networks, electric grid stability, sourcing of materials, and many other issues need time to resolve. And finally, many people just want to make their own choice about what vehicle is right for them.

Mr. President, it is time to tap the brakes on the unrealistic government electric vehicle mandate. Allow time for the battery technology to advance. Allow time to make BEVs more affordable. Allow time to develop domestic sources for the minerals to make batteries. Allow time for the charging infrastructure to be built and prove reliable. And most of all, allow time for the American consumer to get comfortable with the technology and make the choice to buy an electric vehicle.

Sincerely,
Supporting Dealerships

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Was this an attempt at humor? First, implying that just bc ABC NBC CBS MSNBC CNN WaPo NYTimes haven't been sued, they must be telling the truth. LOL. All of the MSM lies, fabricates stories to fit their preferred narrative and gaslights their viewers.

As for CA, the size of their economy is mostly irrelevant. China and Russia have huge economies, but that doesn't mean you'd want to live there or that they are doing anything right. As someone else already pointed out, people are fleeing in droves. Not exactly an endorsement. If it's so great, why are they leaving? The weather is great tho.

I really hate saying this but you can add US to the China and Russia list

[Rainger99]

Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas cars

[biker1]

Hertz is selling 1/3 of their electric fleet.

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas cars

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas cars

"Hertz will instead opt for gas-powered vehicles, it said on Thursday, citing higher expenses related to collision and damage for EVs"

I thought they were supposed to be safer and less expensive to repair.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Caymus

"Hertz will instead opt for gas-powered vehicles, it said on Thursday, citing higher expenses related to collision and damage for EVs"

I thought they were supposed to be safer and less expensive to repair.

Where does the Hertz statement mention safety as a factor? I haven't looked for the statistics but I suspect they will show EVs are safer.

Who said it was less expensive to repair collision damage for EVs? Drivetrain maintenance costs are less for EVs. Electronics costs are higher for EVs. Collision damage costs are likely to be astronomical for EVs. Where did you see anything different?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Where did you get either of those ideas?

Marketing, they will say anything these days as there is no fraud enforcement for BS.
Most likely the guy whose EVs were dumped on Hertz, who has a mouth which will say anything to promote himself.

and don't waste your electrons on trying to change my mind.

[Byte1]

You can't have a business without making a profit. Only the government gets away with having a deficit year after year, doesn't pay it's bills and manages to prove that Ponzi schemes can work for many decades without being held accountable. Hertz is smart to ditch an idea that is not yet ready for prime time.

[biker1]

Read post #111.

Originally Posted by Byte1

You can't have a business without making a profit. Only the government gets away with having a deficit year after year, doesn't pay it's bills and manages to prove that Ponzi schemes can work for many decades without being held accountable. Hertz is smart to ditch an idea that is not yet ready for prime time.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Caymus

"Hertz will instead opt for gas-powered vehicles, it said on Thursday, citing higher expenses related to collision and damage for EVs"

I thought they were supposed to be safer and less expensive to repair.

I think you are confusing routine maintenance with collision damage.

The cost of maintaining an EV is lower bc there is virtually nothing to service. No oil changes, spark plugs, fuel lines, belts, etc. EVs have only brakes, tires and cabin filters to deal with, at roughly the same cost as other cars.

Collision damage is indeed more expensive to repair on an EV. No one ever stated otherwise. If you think they did in attempt to mislead anyone, please provide a link to the misinformation.

[Rainger99]

Used Teslas for under $20,000 with the tax credit.

Ex-Hertz Tesla Model 3s Cost as Little as $14,000. Would You Buy One?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I have never had or known of a battery powered torch or watch to catch fire either!

I've heard of lithium powered cell phones catching fire. Even now, there is a certain brand that gets pretty hot while charging.