[jimhoward]

I think China stopping delivery of Boeing aircraft will be very painful to us as Aircraft are one of the most important products that we export. It’s bound to hurt our trade deficit even if Boeing does have a backlog,

I also think the tariffs on Chinese products will prove painful because I don’t see companies rushing to manufacture in the us based on tariffs that could easily be repealed in the future. Regardless prices on goods will increase.

It seems like we are losing on both ends.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Ralph Cramdon

It’s fascinating how often people blame China for the loss of U.S. jobs, rather than the companies that chose to move operations there in pursuit of higher profits.

Companies moved there, because Americans were demanding lower priced goods.`

American consumers are responsible for businesses moving overseas and government is responsible for allowing it to happen.

Why blame "business"? If people stopped buying Chinese made goods, China would be in ruins and all those businesses would be coming back to the USA.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

No I blame our government for letting it happened.

A lot of people want government out of their lives

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

A lot of people want government out of their lives

People only want government out of their lives, when it suits their needs & wants. Americans are perfectly happy if government regulates those who don't agree with them.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimhoward

I think China stopping delivery of Boeing aircraft will be very painful to us as Aircraft are one of the most important products that we export. It’s bound to hurt our trade deficit even if Boeing does have a backlog,

I also think the tariffs on Chinese products will prove painful because I don’t see companies rushing to manufacture in the us based on tariffs that could easily be repealed in the future. Regardless prices on goods will increase.

It seems like we are losing on both ends.

I agree. And, it isn't only the Chinese. "We" seem to be going out of our way to anger everyone.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Why blame "business"? If people stopped buying Chinese made goods, China would be in ruins and all those businesses would be coming back to the USA.

I don’t blame businesses for wanting to maximize profits, just like I don’t blame consumers for wanting the best value for the products they purchase. Both parties have the same financial/economic incentive. The real issue at hand is why can businesses sell stuff cheaper and/or maximize profits by moving out of the country. That is the real issue at hand. What’s the answer? Probably a combination of cheaper labor (caused by Labor Unions, wage and working condition laws, peoples willingness to work for cheap with no government subsidies for low wage earners), regulations imposed on business (environmental, safety, DEI, etc…), and taxes on businesses. If the playing field on these important business factors is leveled out between the USA and other countries, businesses wouldn’t need to go abroad. In fact, it would probably be more profitable to stay at home and avoid shipping expenses, and less shipping would reduce their carbon footprint.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

I don’t blame businesses for wanting to maximize profits, just like I don’t blame consumers for wanting the best value for the products they purchase. Both parties have the same financial/economic incentive. The real issue at hand is why can businesses sell stuff cheaper and/or maximize profits by moving out of the country. That is the real issue at hand. What’s the answer? Probably a combination of cheaper labor (caused by Labor Unions, wage and working condition laws, peoples willingness to work for cheap with no government subsidies for low wage earners), regulations imposed on business (environmental, safety, DEI, etc…), and taxes on businesses. If the playing field on these important business factors is leveled out between the USA and other countries, businesses wouldn’t need to go abroad. In fact, it would probably be more profitable to stay at home and avoid shipping expenses, and less shipping would reduce their carbon footprint.

We're trading paper money, for real "stuff". T Shirts, consumer electronics, junk from Temu, plastic shoes, paper plates. All those cheap workers in China are turning out mostly cheap, throwaway, consumer goods.

In the meantime, we're selling the world; airplanes, technology, financial instruments/technology, ships and industrial machinery.

Call me crazy, but that sounds like a decent deal. Do we want our workers, turning out T Shirts & sandals? They're supplying all our "junk".

In the meantime, we're protecting the environment of the entire globe (that no one else really cares about), making it impossible for us to manufacture the junk China can produce.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

We're trading paper money, for real "stuff". T Shirts, consumer electronics, junk from Temu, plastic shoes, paper plates. All those cheap workers in China are turning out mostly cheap, throwaway, consumer goods.

In the meantime, we're selling the world; airplanes, technology, financial instruments/technology, ships and industrial machinery.

Call me crazy, but that sounds like a decent deal. Do we want our workers, turning out T Shirts & sandals? They're supplying all our "junk".

In the meantime, we're protecting the environment of the entire globe (that no one else really cares about), making it impossible for us to manufacture the junk China can produce.

The truth of the matter is China is putting out much better quality industrial goods than ever before.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

The truth of the matter is China is putting out much better quality industrial goods than ever before.

it's a low bar.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

it's a low bar.

I ran a business importing industrial parts from China and have seen the improvement first hand.

[SoCalGal]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I agree. And, it isn't only the Chinese. "We" seem to be going out of our way to anger everyone.

Yeah, especially members of Congress who got strangely wealthy on a public servant's salary.

[MicRoDrafting]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

You probably should have taken a minute to understand the issue before making such comments.

This isn't about Boeing being unable to manufacture planes. This is about Boeing, an American manufacturer, losing the sale of 180 planes to China over two years. At about 500 planes per year, this represents nearly 20% loss in sales.

STRONGLY AGREE, Victor

Simply another American Manufacturing Company being Negatively Effected by these Self-Destructive Tariffs …

… that Quite Frankly, are Only Adversely Affecting “WE the PEOPLE” w oncoming Major Cost of Living Expenses and Huge Amounts of Layoffs

ANOTHER BUSINESS
RUN into BANKRUPTCY

“sometimes wish I lacked
logic, they all seem so happy.”

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Companies moved there, because Americans were demanding lower priced goods.`

American consumers are responsible for businesses moving overseas and government is responsible for allowing it to happen.

Why blame "business"? If people stopped buying Chinese made goods, China would be in ruins and all those businesses would be coming back to the USA.

I agree however does one do without for 2-3 years before those businesses get a facility, buy equipment, Find employees before start manufacturing, can happen. You’re a business person, can you get a full manufacturing business up and running in 6 months. Would it have been a better plan to get manufacturing on line first then remove the ease of not buying American.

Old people could probably wait 1-2 years for food, electronics, and clothing. After all think about all the excess one gets rid of with retirement.
Families can’t survive 2-3 years waiting for manufacturing to hit US doorways

[tkret]

yes, correct. Boeing will shift deliveries to another region; another company. China will be, once again, on the losing side of this. Their fleet is aging and will only get older before new aircraft come in to fill the void.

[jimhoward]

Originally Posted by asianthree

I agree however does one do without for 2-3 years before those businesses get a facility, buy equipment, Find employees before start manufacturing, can happen. You’re a business person, can you get a full manufacturing business up and running in 6 months. Would it have been a better plan to get manufacturing on line first then remove the ease of not buying American.

Old people could probably wait 1-2 years for food, electronics, and clothing. After all think about all the excess one gets rid of with retirement.
Families can’t survive 2-3 years waiting for manufacturing to hit US doorways

What is happening is 2-3 years? No one is going to start manufacturing in the US based on the existence of tariffs, which could be repealed at any time. Tariffs are not an embargo, families will still buy imported goods, they will just have to pay more. The standard of living is lowered because the effective tax rate (considering tariffs as a tax) is raised.