Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178322)

Hey, I just thought of something, I may write to Oliver Stone and suggest that he get a script written and direct a movie about how the Gas and Oil industries paid subversive agents to embed themselves within the anti-nuke and anti-oil spill radical lefty wing-nuts. Maybe Greta Thunberg IS a DOUBLE-agent. Oh boy.......the plot thickens. Maybe I will even write that book......that will keep me busy, out of trouble, and off the pages of TOTV for a year. But, I might be missed.....or NOT.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178327)

Please, it is NOT nice to pick on poor, little Tunnybergie. Always RESPECT your non-elders. In the photograph's right front foreground, it looks like a corrugated PAPER coffee cup. The mustard and ketchup containers on the left are plastic, but they probably belong at the table on that train. She can't arbitrarily throw them out, can she? And she is eating bananas to help prevent poverty in the southern hemisphere. (how thoughtful). So, my conclusion is still.......you GO, Greta girl.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178340)

As to E-vehicles being a "joke" and E-batteries "being worse for the planet than fossil fuel".....that MAY OR MAY NOT be true - regardless, battery technology is in the Model T - type early days of development. They will, in coming years get lighter, stronger, available everywhere, produce more current, and will probably be recyclable into new, refreshed batteries. I read a story on a NEW battery concept with an air dielectric between the + and - plates. Development will accelerate just like an E-vehicle can accelerate far quicker than an in-fer-nal combustion antique vehicle. See all those pistons STRUGGLING to go up and then down, while the E-vehicle engine is SMOOTHLY turning in a circle.

Saudi Arabian officials themselves have stated that they will run out of OIL in 20 YEARS. So, what do you think that will do to the price of oil and a gal of gasoline? Gas could become so expensive that ICE vehicles become LAWN ornaments. Meanwhile, electric vehicles' prices will be down and electric energy will be generated by CLEAN, SAFE nuclear reactors, or even some new, better technology.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2178468)

Ever heard of the "rotary engine?" Hmmm, haven't heard much of it lately.
"run out of oil in 20 years?" America is supposed to have another 500 years worth. Ever heard of ICE being fueled by used fast food oil? Ever heard of fuel made from corn? Sugar?
Battery powered cars. Yes, they have been around for over a hundred years. Don't you think that if they were so great that they would be more popular by now? I suppose "some" folks believe that the oil industry conspiracy would be that great amounts of money is being used to subdue electric car exploration?
Maybe electric power will replace ICE but it's rather stupid to ban ICE before electric power is a plausible replacement. And that is exactly what is being attempted, banning a reasonable mode of transportation to be replaced by inadequate pie in the sky ideas. Replacing the horse pulling a wagon with a goat is not considered improving ones ability to travel. All we are doing right now is attempting to take away the low income populations' ability to travel to their places of employment, shopping and medical appointments. Electric vehicles are out of the low income populations' grasp.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178566)

I already covered the idea in that last sentence. Bottom line E-vehicles are here to stay. Just look out your window at the E-bike and E-golf carts go by. It is just the beginning. E-vehicles will decrease in price as MORE people buy them. As more people WANT them ........more companies will SUPPLY them. The companies compete on price and the price goes DOWN. That is just a LAW of business.

Agreed that it would NOT be a good idea to replace ICE vehicles before an adequate supply of E-vehicles is being manufactured. Maybe you are referring to California, which is seeking to STIMULATE the evolution and trend toward E-vehicles by passing legislation.........I don't know the details of it......just at (SOME) date in the future (maybe 2035 or 40) they will REQUIRE all NEW vehicles sold in Ca. to be ELECTRIC. They are NOT banning ICE vehicles from operating in Ca. They are merely doing what GOOD government SHOULD do........shoving / motivating people toward ACCEPTANCE of NEW and better ideas. They have experts that can read the FUTURE somewhat better than the "man on the street". Sort of like Social Security and the Affordable Care Act, which were GREAT for American older and low-income people, but were initially considered too PROGRESSIVE to be functional. Those are examples of the government LEADING America into a better future.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178595)

Yes, he has "credibility" among the globalists at Davos... And apparently with you... To the rest of the sane world, the a whacky conspiracy theorist...

And you're correct. EVERYTHING as an element of risk. Windmills kill large birds. Birds that you and I would be jailed for killing.

Solar farms not only cook birds, they raise the global temperature, adding to your dreaded "Global Warming"...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178605)

You're off by a more than a power of 10...

"Saudi Arabia has proven reserves equivalent to 221.2 times its annual consumption. This means that, without Net Exports, there would be about 221 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves)."

Missed it by -that- much...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178607)

Prezactly!

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178605)

You're off by a more than a power of 10...

"Saudi Arabia has proven reserves equivalent to 221.2 times its annual consumption. This means that, without Net Exports, there would be about 221 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves)."

Missed it by -that- much...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178610)

You completely ignore the inadequacies of the power grid to handle all of these new e-vehicles...

And don't get me started on the "affordable care act". There is NOTHING affordable about it... Nor does it provide better care...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178610)

You completely ignore the inadequacies of the power grid to handle all of these new e-vehicles...

And don't get me started on the "affordable care act". There is NOTHING affordable about it... Nor does it provide better care...

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178772)

True that black solar panels would raise the surrounding temperature. But, they would certainly raise it less than COAL would in China. Now would solar panels raise it more or less than the use of natural gas at power plants. ICE vehicles would be the worst because their pollution goes to the upper atmosphere and provides a HEAT blanket. so, ICE vehicles would BOTH give off HEAT AND hurt the upper atmosphere, whereas the Solar Panels would only give off heat.
........And yes that is CORRECT about windmills. Everything has a DOWNSIDE. The trick is to get the system with the most positives and the minimum negatives.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178778)

I can't believe it. This IS SO OBVIOUS. Saudi Arabia EXPORTS the majority of the OIL that it pumps out of the ground. At the current rate that Saudi Arabia SELLS to the world .....they ONLY have 20 years worth. How can I be doubted??????
It is MEANINGLESS how long their OIL would LAST if ONLY they consumed it.

This brings up the point that probably the US should never again export its OIL because it should keep it in the bank (the ground) to use for medicines and some for plastics.........although I would prefer more use of things like wood bowls and furniture instead of plastics.